YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Edited September 2, 2019 by YoloinOhio 2 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Woohoo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 McDermott didn’t speak today so don’t know about protocol but I thought they couldn’t go 11-11 unless cleared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I’m optimistic for the start of the season. How long he lasts is another story, but that’s for another thread. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Still worried tho. I can't avoid it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/focus-on-safety/protecting-players/nfl-return-to-participation-protocol/ " Step Five: Full Football Activity/Clearance After the player-patient has established his ability to participate in non-contact football activity including team meetings, conditioning and non-contact practice without recurrence of signs and symptoms and his neurocognitive testing is back to baseline, the team physician may clear him for full football activity involving contact. Once cleared by the team physician, the player-patient may participate in all aspects of practice. If the player-patient tolerates full participation practice and contact without signs or symptoms and the team physician concludes that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, he may clear the player-patient to return to full participation. For the avoidance of doubt, if a player cannot participate in practice or full contact with other players due to the time of year and/or rules imposed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, simulated contact activity will suffice to satisfy this step. Upon clearance by the team physician, the player must be examined by the INC assigned to his Club. The INC must be provided a copy of all relevant reports and tests, including the Sideline and Booth UNC reports, the Booth ATC Spotter report and team injury reports, and have access to video of the injury, where applicable, and the player-patient’s neurocognitive tests and interpretations. If the INC confirms the team physician’s conclusion that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, the player-patient is considered cleared and may participate in his Club’s next game or practice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, dubs said: I’m optimistic for the start of the season. How long he lasts is another story, but that’s for another thread. 3 plays. Just kidding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: 3 plays. Just kidding. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So out of protocol? Has to be. Nothing (as usual) thus far on the Bills Twitter page Or not. Edited August 26, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I'm not sure how protocol works, but it seems they have been very cautious with him. I was pretty sure he wouldn't see preseason action when this first happened, and that's what happened. I bet he has been fine for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I think has been in a spot where he could be cleared for quite some time. It almost looks like they are intentionally not taking him out of the protocol. This seems like he is completely recovered. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Has to be. Nothing (as usual) thus far on the Bills Twitter page Quote being in protocol excuses him from media... this is a strategy move, especially if they embellished any or all of it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Put the Gazoo helmet pad on him for extra protection! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Timing for the injury could be a blessing. This forced some rotational experience and learning during preseason, so we'll be in better shape in the scenario that he goes down during the regular season.. Plus they were able to take extra precautions and not rush him back for a meaningful game to hopefully reduce the risk of re-injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Great to hear he was out there. In all seriousness though, one more wrong hit to the head and he's done. Let's hope it doesn't happen and he plays a full 19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Has to be. Nothing (as usual) thus far on the Bills Twitter page Or not. Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 At this point, his head has gotta be softer than an overripe cantaloupe sitting in the sun 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - question from 30 different reporters....."how do you feel"? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - look at what i said above: i wasn't kidding Mitch is a dude with values, lying, or even a 'truth avoidance' is a challenge, don't ask, don't tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - Because the headache it would give him could put him back into the protocol? 1 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - your guess is a good as mine.. putting on tin foil hat. He's been cleared for weeks removing tin foil hat 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Because the headache it would give him could put him back into the protocol? thats a good one 9 minutes ago, nucci said: question from 30 different reporters....."how do you feel"? Q # 2 what took so long to clear Q # 3 will you retire if you get another one 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Is he gonna wear a different helmet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Is he gonna wear a different helmet? Yes, the league gave him permission to wear Antonio Brown’s old helmet. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 He’s in stage 5 still. I think they evaluate him after he’s done some full contact practice stuff and then give final clearance if everything’s all good. Excited to get him out there finally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Color me pessimistic. He’s a center. This will happen again. We need to shore up that position beyond Morse. One or two more concussions and he’s calling it quits. Edited August 26, 2019 by quinnearlysghost88 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Good.I expected him to be ready by week 1 anyways. Hopefully he won't have his bell rung anymore this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 "excuses him from media" Huh? Too bad they can't all be in protocol then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Lurker said: "excuses him from media" Huh? Too bad they can't all be in protocol then... * Belichick rams head against the wall and enters protocol * Edited August 26, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lurker said: "excuses him from media" Huh? Too bad they can't all be in protocol then... Quick, someone give baker mayfield a concussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/focus-on-safety/protecting-players/nfl-return-to-participation-protocol/ " Step Five: Full Football Activity/Clearance After the player-patient has established his ability to participate in non-contact football activity including team meetings, conditioning and non-contact practice without recurrence of signs and symptoms and his neurocognitive testing is back to baseline, the team physician may clear him for full football activity involving contact. Once cleared by the team physician, the player-patient may participate in all aspects of practice. If the player-patient tolerates full participation practice and contact without signs or symptoms and the team physician concludes that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, he may clear the player-patient to return to full participation. For the avoidance of doubt, if a player cannot participate in practice or full contact with other players due to the time of year and/or rules imposed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, simulated contact activity will suffice to satisfy this step. Upon clearance by the team physician, the player must be examined by the INC assigned to his Club. The INC must be provided a copy of all relevant reports and tests, including the Sideline and Booth UNC reports, the Booth ATC Spotter report and team injury reports, and have access to video of the injury, where applicable, and the player-patient’s neurocognitive tests and interpretations. If the INC confirms the team physician’s conclusion that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, the player-patient is considered cleared and may participate in his Club’s next game or practice. We have clearance, Clarence. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Tracking well for him to play week 1... The writing was on the wall after week 1 of preseason that their goal was to have him ready by week 1 of the regular season and they didn't care at all about Preseason. Something that stuck with me a bit was Knox saying that when he had his injury the trainers intentionally took it slower and longer with him during his recovery. He said he had never had a hamstring injury of any kind and the trainers told him they were going to work slower with him on in to make sure there was no recurrence down the road. When I heard that it really struck me because I feel like in professional sports trainers and coaches pound the table about getting a guy back "As soon as he's ready" which is just coach speak for "as soon as possible, and he mans up to play." But as the league has changed, and frankly the Bills have changed with their new sports science approach, I am wondering if they are intentionally taking longer with players and injury recovery time tables to try and minimize flair ups and additional injuries. Maybe Knox wasn't the only one they decided to keep out longer to prevent further exacerbating the injury... maybe Morse was tracking better than we all thought, but they held him in each phase just a bit longer, because frankly they didn't care if he played in preseason or not. While chemistry with the line and Allen is important, getting him to 100% is WAY more important. SO once he showed symptoms of a concussion, the decision was essentially made "We're taking all preseason to manage this". I don't hate the approach... As a fan I want to see everyone on the field, but when you look at the average athlete's recovery time from injuries, and the rate of how quickly those injuries then reoccur, maybe there is something to lengthening the process for rehabbing and doing it right rather than doing is quick. It may not be "best for the team" in that your top guys aren't out there, but it's best for the player, and long run ideally best for your team because the player is less likely to re-injure themselves and be back off the field again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) @MR8 your theory makes perfect sense during TC and preseason. Once you hit regular season, however, I think all of that goes out the door. Edited August 26, 2019 by eball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 He needs to borrow Kelso's old Great Gazoo helmet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) Frankly, I'm happy that they held him out of useless preseason games. Why risk your investment in him on stupid preseason games that don't mean squat. Look at all the players across the league who have gone down with season ending injuries already. The Bills have been very fortunate and want to keep it that way. It's the smart thing to do. In the meantime sitting him has given them the opportunity to try out various combinations of other players all along the line for when injuries will occur during the regular season. SMART! Edited August 26, 2019 by DefenseWins mispelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Wonder why they wouldn’t want him to have to talk to the media though - Talking to media can cause concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: So out of protocol? Everyone should have known he was going to be kept in until the start of the season. This isn't news anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I think has been in a spot where he could be cleared for quite some time. It almost looks like they are intentionally not taking him out of the protocol. This seems like he is completely recovered. Yeah, I think he’s been “fine” for a while, and this was just an abundance of caution. Unfortunately, I don’t know if we can ever call him completely recovered, as he’s probably going to be more susceptible for the rest of career....which I hope and pray is a very long one. Stay well Mitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 For F's aske...hike the ball, Mitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Everyone should have known he was going to be kept in until the start of the season. This isn't news anymore. Don’t you think we should play him ALL of the 4th preseason game to shake the rust off??? Get him some reps! Get his timing back, you know! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, thebandit27 said: https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/focus-on-safety/protecting-players/nfl-return-to-participation-protocol/ " Step Five: Full Football Activity/Clearance After the player-patient has established his ability to participate in non-contact football activity including team meetings, conditioning and non-contact practice without recurrence of signs and symptoms and his neurocognitive testing is back to baseline, the team physician may clear him for full football activity involving contact. Once cleared by the team physician, the player-patient may participate in all aspects of practice. If the player-patient tolerates full participation practice and contact without signs or symptoms and the team physician concludes that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, he may clear the player-patient to return to full participation. For the avoidance of doubt, if a player cannot participate in practice or full contact with other players due to the time of year and/or rules imposed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, simulated contact activity will suffice to satisfy this step. Upon clearance by the team physician, the player must be examined by the INC assigned to his Club. The INC must be provided a copy of all relevant reports and tests, including the Sideline and Booth UNC reports, the Booth ATC Spotter report and team injury reports, and have access to video of the injury, where applicable, and the player-patient’s neurocognitive tests and interpretations. If the INC confirms the team physician’s conclusion that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, the player-patient is considered cleared and may participate in his Club’s next game or practice. So, essentially it's Mitch saying: "yeah, I'm good". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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