teef Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If I said he looked good would it be interesting even though i'de be lying? this is slightly more interesting. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Thinking a 7. Every draft pick gets a 5 on the nervous scale for me so a 7 means I'm really nervous. Oliver is still young as he grows he will get even stronger , and with some good coaching once he learns all the techniques how NOT to let the OL put their hands on him , and how to get off blocks I think he will be a BEAST !!! I wouldn’t expect much from him in a first half of season but I’m SURE towards the end of the season and ESPECIALLY in the playoffs will be thrilled that he’s a Buffalo Bill !!! Gooo Bills !!! Edited August 26, 2019 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don't know what his responsibilities are each play, but what I see is a player that is tough to move but lacks the hands to disengage from blocks. Honestly to me Oliver may be best suited as a NT, which is what Houston ultimately had him doing and was criticized for it. McDermott may use Oliver the same way. He's very difficult to move even at his size. Quote https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/ed-oliver Hand Usage - Needs considerably work in this area in the run game. Does not create a lot of torque to displace blockers, instead simply bull drives them down the middle. Needs to utilize much better arm extension off the snap to keep blockers off his frame. Fires into his opponent's chest with good hand placement and the power to displace blockers, but can struggle to create space, gets body-to-body and fails to disengage. Does not stack-and-shed easily enough, allowing runners to slip by him. Too often gets caught up in grappling matches at the line of scrimmage and is knocked off balance as a result. On the ground too much, especially considering the lack of quality competition. Quote https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/21/18232987/nfl-draft-2019-ed-oliver-buffalo-bills-scouting-report-breakdown-pass-rusher When teams made the mistake of trying to block Oliver one-on-one, he was routinely able to rock that blocker back by getting good hand placement inside on their breast plates, getting full extension with his arms, and exploding out of his hips ... In addition to his power and quickness, another thing I was impressed with was how active and effective Oliver was with his hands. A lot of guys with his physical tools are good college players, but end up failing on the next level because they never work on escaping off blocks. It’s simply too easy for them to make plays in college most weeks, so they never really hone their technique. I see it every year from a prospect or two that I do a breakdown on, and it is never not infuriating to watch. In Oliver’s case, however, he generally did a really good job of using his hands to keep blockers off of him. He was also really good at using escape moves like rips and arm-overs to get off of the blockers once it was time for him to try to make a tackle. Quote https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ed-oliver?id=32194f4c-4929-0385-df1c-0f8e40559b5a Forced to work excessively at disengaging from blocks Failed to convert explosiveness into impressive sack totals Rush attack is more predictable than diverse Quote https://nfldraft.theringer.com/ On inside runs, Oliver uses his hands to discard blocks and grows roots at the point of attack; he’s rarely pushed back at the snap, even when double-teamed. Quote https://www.cbssports.com/g00/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-draft-an-early-introduction-to-nine-of-the-potential-top-defensive-linemen/?i10c.ua=1&i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3d&i10c.dv=20 Good, not overwhelming power and decently active hands At this point, he's better getting into the pads of an offensive linemen then springing off him to make an impact play against the run than he is deploying an intricate pass-rushing move to get to the quarterback. Sometimes, his lack of weight leads to him not playing with tons of power. So...he's great with his hands. He's not very good with his hands. He's impossible to block. He get's caught up in blocks. Gee. It's almost like it depends on what game they watched, the day, the blocker, the play, and the scheme made a difference in how he was assessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. Excuse me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Why do fans think first round picks have to come in and make a big impact right away? The toughest competition he faced last year was South Florida. It will take him a while to learn the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Margarita said: One rookie who has stormed the gates in preseason from what Ive seen is the LB Josh Allen...has Ed Oliver made as immediate a visual impact? No. Does this mean much in the grand scheme of things? No. I say hold your water on making such a dire prognosis on the young man it's a snap judgment at best Josh Allen was my number 1 player in the entire draft, so I'm not surprised by his performance. I would say it's a bit easier to fly off the edge than to learn the in's and out's of battling/disengaging from interior NFL offensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp. Yeah, but our OL sucks so NBD... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I think the OP is in the concussion protocol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Lee Smith today said that Oliver has constantly been giving Bills offensive players fits all through training camp. OP never expected anyone to play the Lee Smith card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Lol. I guess I should watch my back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I wonder if he’s going to make the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I think the OP is in the concussion protocol One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. Knee jerk reactions typically get a lot of replies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. i don't think anyone cares about the criticism. it's just strange that on a scale of 1-10, you're nervous over a player who has never taken a regular season snap is at a, "7". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 This thread still going too? Jeez Louise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, teef said: i don't think anyone cares about the criticism. it's just strange that on a scale of 1-10, you're nervous over a player who has never taken a regular season snap is at a, "7". It honestly sounds like my mom. The first time she ever saw Wade Boggs....he struck out. So she feels he was a below average player the rest of his career after that one at bat. She can't figure out why he's in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It honestly sounds like my mom. The first time she ever saw Wade Boggs....he struck out. So she feels he was a below average player the rest of his career after that one at bat. She can't figure out why he's in the HOF. I've been pounding the table about this phenomenon for days now. It is wild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 ..so Ed has an outside shot at the PS then, right?......thinkin'" too short and not so good" means he clears waivers with NO problem..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, njbuff said: This thread still going too? Jeez Louise. Right? “Doesn’t look very good”...”starting to worry about the pick”...bear in mind these are statements from someone that wants to turn oliver into a nose tackle, for some indecipherable reason. AND these statements are being made about a rookie! After 3 preseason games! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 37 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It honestly sounds like my mom. The first time she ever saw Wade Boggs....he struck out. So she feels he was a below average player the rest of his career after that one at bat. She can't figure out why he's in the HOF. that's actually hilarious. i mean, i'm all for critical analysis for any player on this team, but is anyone truthfully worried about oliver after 3 preseason games. if it's 6 -8 games into the season i can absolutely see this. even then i'm not getting bent out of shape by a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Yeah, but our OL sucks so NBD... And it's preseason so they aren't even game-planning against him and they are using vanilla techniques, which proves he's actually worse! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, teef said: that's actually hilarious. i mean, i'm all for critical analysis for any player on this team, but is anyone truthfully worried about oliver after 3 preseason games. if it's 6 -8 games into the season i can absolutely see this. even then i'm not getting bent out of shape by a rookie. Do you think Wade Boggs has a better stache than Sam Elliot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Barf. I wish the words "nervous" and "concerned" were treated like curse words on this board haha. Kid has played like a combined 40 snaps in three preseason games where they run a light version of their scheme and we've got "concerns." Bah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Stampede , I know you are messing with us 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Im just hoping when we play the Broncos he jumps on that white horse of theirs and rides it around the stadium after sacking Flacco multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, njbuff said: This thread still going too? Jeez Louise. I was shocked at 2 pages. Floored at 5 pages. And now losing hope in humanity that it’s at 8 pages. With this kind of silliness, before you know it we will have a reality TV star as President... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, NJKBillsfan said: After we drafted him I watched his highlights but he didn't seem to have a lot. To be honest I was concerned about the pick after that. Maybe that's why he dropped? Because you were concerned he dropped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 This thread reminds me of the Tremaine Edmunds sucks threads from last preseason. There's plenty to be concerned about with the team; they have a long ways to go. This is just silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I was shocked at 2 pages. Floored at 5 pages. And now losing hope in humanity that it’s at 8 pages. With this kind of silliness, before you know it we will have a reality TV star as President... They now can make men into women and women into men if they want to. Im about to blow your mind... What if one day they could do it instantly? Like 500 years from now they can just move parts around like a Mr. Potato head? Would there be people who would change all the time or stay predominantly one sex? Would dating apps have a question of which do you prefer being? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I bet he has zero tackles on Thursday. If so, cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: Stampede , I know you are messing with us I'm glad I could entertain everyone on this beautiful Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: After we drafted him I watched his highlights but he didn't seem to have a lot. To be honest I was concerned about the pick after that. Maybe that's why he dropped? ..................... 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: One thing I should've known is to never criticize a Bills 1st round pick during preseason. Damn skippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I'm 50-50 with him at 3 technique as a DT. It looks like he is drawing double teams every play already. That could explain why he 'struggles to disengage blocks'. Have you noticed the other DT looks better with him in? Star, Phillips and Phillips have all showed up now. But what if he does flame out at 3 technique DT? Why could you not move him to DE in a 4-3 alignment? 4-3 DE's tend to be larger guys. At 6-1 285 with the strength of a DT and quickness of a DE seems like a good move to me. Oliver is a natural DL in the league. Who cares what position he plays? Oh, and if you do move him to DE, go get Clowney who will do the same on the other edge. Look for 3 and 1 techniques in FA and draft next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Should this be merged with the unpopular idea thread??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Augie said: Should this be merged with the unpopular idea thread??? Sometimes the truth is unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Sometimes the truth is unpopular. Sometimes.....but in this case it is not the truth so...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 hours ago, teef said: that's actually hilarious. i mean, i'm all for critical analysis for any player on this team, but is anyone truthfully worried about oliver after 3 preseason games. if it's 6 -8 games into the season i can absolutely see this. even then i'm not getting bent out of shape by a rookie. Teef, a fellow BC alum, as always speaks the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 6:38 PM, Niagara Dude said: It looks like a bust pick, rather than grab a WR or TE to help out young QB they go defensive side of the ball and reach for undersized guy. On 8/25/2019 at 5:42 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. Ya know, Interweb chat rooms & discussion forums truly challenge established human behavior patterns. Long time members and those who contribute often become uniquely burdened with the unproven theory that every noob is a nose-pickin’, zitfaced teen living with his parents. There’s zero evidence to support this strange phenomena, yet it is oddly undeniable. y’all aren’t helping the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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