Ga boy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Josh is looking a lot like Jay Cutler but our guy appears to have more leadership skills. I was always amazed that Jay could zip it all over the field with nothing to show for it. During his 2nd season, I'd like to see Josh look more like Brett Favre than Jay. Can he do it?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I think most folks around here are expecting him to be much better than Cutler, and would be gutted if he ended up around that level. I'm not one of them. The comp. I have been going with is Ryan Tannehill. My fear is that Allen will prove good enough to keep the illusion of quality about him for a long time, while not really being very good in the end, resulting in a prolonged Allen era where the team doesn't really go anywhere. I.E., kind of like the Tannehill led Dolphins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I am ok that this is in "Off the Wall" 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plastic Cup Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 No. I don’t think it’s OK. Josh is easy to love and is a team guy, gives it his all on every play. I don’t want him becoming “Cutler-like”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Orton maybe, Cutler NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Ga boy said: Josh is looking a lot like Jay Cutler but our guy appears to have more leadership skills. I was always amazed that Jay could zip it all over the field with nothing to show for it. During his 2nd season, I'd like to see Josh look more like Brett Favre than Jay. Can he do it?? Like Jay Cutler, but with more leadership skills... Uh...***** yes Isn't that just Brett Favre? He has the same passion and competitiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 No. I like Josh Allen. He is more human like than Cutler. He smiles, cracks a joke once in awhile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I’d be disappointed if he was the next cutlery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 To the OP: I think you picked the wrong comp player, kind of by accident. Cutler is a buzz word for "disinterested slacker who doesn't give a ***** except for his paycheck." I don't think you meant it that way; I assume you meant the comparison to be based on Cutler's actual talent level and skill as a QB on a football field. For that reason, you might want to provide a different comp player. Folks here are not interpreting your question to be about Allen's skill level, but rather, how he scores in the intangible areas like guts, determination, leadership, teamwork, and that sort of thing. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Jay Cutler -- no; Brett Favre--yes Am I unreasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, JoeF said: Jay Cutler -- no; Brett Favre--yes Am I unreasonable? Well considering I’ve seen some people comparing Allen to Elway and saying he will better than Newton, no, that’s not unreasonable. I mean Cutler has all the tools like Allen. He just was a giant d bag who was a terrible leader. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well considering I’ve seen some people comparing Allen to Elway and saying he will better than Newton, no, that’s not unreasonable. I mean Cutler has all the tools like Allen. He just was a giant d bag who was a terrible leader. Well, I think that's right. So Cutler with great character and a natural leader is a pretty good recipe, no? Not proof it will work out, but I like my chances if that's what I got. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I actually think the better comp has been a popular one with Big Ben. The short throw accuracy is a little scary to me but 10-30 yards is deadly along with being difficult to sack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I'd be disappointed. I don't want to see his butt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I’d be disappointed if he was the next cutlery. Not even a Spork? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 How about Josh Allen becomes, ummmmmmm...................... the next Josh Allen. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 20 hours ago, Ga boy said: Josh is looking a lot like Jay Cutler but our guy appears to have more leadership skills. I was always amazed that Jay could zip it all over the field with nothing to show for it. During his 2nd season, I'd like to see Josh look more like Brett Favre than Jay. Can he do it?? Do tell, in what ways ? Simply "zip it all over the field" makes Allen look like 50 other QBs over the last decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 20 hours ago, Ga boy said: Josh is looking a lot like Jay Cutler but our guy appears to have more leadership skills. I was always amazed that Jay could zip it all over the field with nothing to show for it. During his 2nd season, I'd like to see Josh look more like Brett Favre than Jay. Can he do it?? When josh was drafted I made Upside projections to Cutler ->Elway. I definitely thing he's cut from that mold. but he's still got a long way to go to get to Cutler level. Right now, he's probably closest to Josh Freeman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Augie said: Not even a Spork? Sporks are versatile. I could live with that I think. Do you have a napkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: When josh was drafted I made Upside projections to Cutler ->Elway. I definitely thing he's cut from that mold. but he's still got a long way to go to get to Cutler level. Right now, he's probably closest to Josh Freeman. You really don't understand what you see on the field. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Sporks are versatile. I could live with that I think. Do you have a napkin? Does a sleeve count? You can use your own, thank you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 If Cutler had Josh's leadership and drive he still be playing for Denver or the Bears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Orton or Cutler, no, I'm not ok with either. Elway or Favre, yes, I'm good with either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 21 hours ago, Ga boy said: Josh is looking a lot like Jay Cutler but our guy appears to have more leadership skills. I was always amazed that Jay could zip it all over the field with nothing to show for it. During his 2nd season, I'd like to see Josh look more like Brett Favre than Jay. Can he do it?? He doesn't really look anything like Cutler. Cutler didnt care and didnt try to get better. He was cool just going out there the way he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Pick 7, two second rounds, Cordy Glenn and passing on Mahomes, and in return the Bills get the next Jay Cutler? Yeah.. I’d be fine with it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Like Jay Cutler, but with more leadership skills... Uh...***** yes Isn't that just Brett Favre? He has the same passion and competitiveness Cutler was at least 3 tiers down from Favre. He was a good overall QB that sometimes played great, but that you could always count on to inevitably choke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I’ll be okay regardless of how Josh Allen turns out. As for the Bills, ( and more precisely their GM and HC) they will most probably not be okay at all if Allen’s career is Cutleresque. One or both will be fired and the cycle of searching for a franchise QB will begin yet again. I don’t think Allen will be much like Cutler at all, or Tannehill as some have suggested. I think he’s already got a better chance to be a QB that wins games than Tannehill. Allen will have a pretty good defense to rely on, so we should see fairly quickly if he can lead an offense and do the necessary things to lift the talent around him up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I would not be okay if he had the same production as Cutler. I can’t imagine why anyone would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, Augie said: Does a sleeve count? You can use your own, thank you.... I don’t appreciate your tone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I don’t appreciate your tone. Alright, you can use my sleeve......but you might want to ask where it’s been first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Brett Favre. That's waaaay to much of a leap. Jesus. Guy won MVPs, Super Bowl, threw for over 70,000 yards and 500 TDs. As much of a risk taker as he was, he more than made up for it in his ability to read defenses and be accurate. HIs career completion percentage was 62. His first season as s started in GB he was 64.1%. He was sub-60% 5 times in 19 seasons. Two were 59.9% and 59.3%. I'm sorry but I'd bet Allen will not finish his career with a >60% percentage, which is likely mean we'll be in a Tannehill situation... a medioce QB we'll hold onto for a few seasons too long and have to rebuild in 2022. It'll end Beane and McD's tenures. Just because you are a Bills fan doesn't mean past history and predictive analysis related to QBs doesn't apply in the case of your QB. Maybe, maybe he's the 5% outlier in the 95% certainty underlying most predictions. But that's a long shot to hang your hat on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Allen isn't anything like Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 DOONNT CAAARE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I’m thinking more John elway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 58 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Cutler was at least 3 tiers down from Favre. He was a good overall QB that sometimes played great, but that you could always count on to inevitably choke. Right (insert smoking Jay Cutler meme here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I would not be okay if he had the same production as Cutler. I can’t imagine why anyone would be. Obviously I wouldn't be ok with the other aspects of Cutler that made him less than I think he perhaps could have been. However just on production...if he put up Jay Cutler numbers over a career it could be argued that would make him the most productive QB in Bills history. And sure I'm stretching that somewhat for reaction with Jim...but just for reference, the regular season career totals of two QBs below - one is Jim Kelly and one is Jay Cutler. Games Yards TD INT Rating 160 35,467 237 175 84.4% 153 35,133 227 160 85.3% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, disco said: Obviously I wouldn't be ok with the other aspects of Cutler that made him less than I think he perhaps could have been. However just on production...if he put up Jay Cutler numbers over a career it could be argued that would make him the most productive QB in Bills history. And sure I'm stretching that somewhat for reaction with Jim...but just for reference, the regular season career totals of two QBs below - one is Jim Kelly and one is Jay Cutler. Games Yards TD INT Rating 160 35,467 237 175 84.4% 153 35,133 227 160 85.3% Come on man, you know that comparing modern QB stats to those of 20-30 years ago is dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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