Oline has me worried.

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

I don’t worry about things I have no control over, I’m retired living on my sail boat in the Bahamas for Five months of the year, hell, I rarely worry ever. (Except for Mother Nature having her way, it’s a boat life thing).   Training camp football is on the list of things to not be worried about.  Actual games, I like to see my chosen team win.  I’ll leave the “worrying ” to the GM and HC.  To the OP just sit back and enjoy the spectacle that is the NFL, and most importantly the Buffalo Bills.

 

Go Bills!!!

That's life, not football. We're fans. This is what we do here. Share our concerns and discuss and debate them.

[HOUSE]

I am concerned about Mitch Morse concussion issues and I figure it will be mid season before the OL will stabilize.

Thats pretty much it though..

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

 

Huh?  So the OL looks good pretty much every day of the entire offseason programs...and then one mediocre practice against what should be a top 5 defense while a couple different starters rotated in is now a concern?  

 

No disrespect, but I just don't understand these hot takes people come up with over one practice, one play, etc...good or bad hot takes.  

[Socal-805]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

 

 

+ 1

 

I agree 100 %.  Anypne who is not somewhat concerned at this point shoul dbe.  If the Bills have to start the season with EITHER Bodine or Groy at C, watch out.  I am not 

sure who is worse, but there was plenty of analysis and grading of these guys even going back a year to show they were probably the worst Centers in the league.

 

This was a major rebiuld of the O-line, and if it fails, it might be very bad for Allan and this Team, and McBean.

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Guys are being moved in and out of different positions to find their homes on the OL, I wouldn't read too much into it yet. Our starters will be set by preseason game 1 or they should be at least, then they'll need some time to gel, Until then there will be some times where Allen will have to improvise imo.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I’m very concerned about our WR’s.  I read that Cole Beasley dropped a pass yesterday.  Didn’t sleep all night.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

 

Don't worry.  Be happy.  Trust the process. McBeane has a plan. Billieve. 

[skibum]

And here we go.

[Don Otreply]

12 minutes ago, nucci said:

That's life, not football. We're fans. This is what we do here. Share our concerns and discuss and debate them.

Being a Football fan is part of life, like I said, sit back and enjoy the spectacle, and our Buffalo Bills, no worries ?

 

unless you like like to have concerns and worry, then go for it, and worry your backside off... 

 

Go Bills!!!

[Nuncha]

44 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

While our oline certainly wasn’t good last year, I think you overstating how bad it was.  https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17. And you certainly are underestimating how many bad olines this franchise has fielded. 

It was the worst run blocking line I have ever seen Buffalo put on a field, worse than the consecutive 2-14 seasons in 84 and 85.  I didn't say worst in the NFL.

 

If they weren't too shabby last year, explain why the starting line will have 4 new faces.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Azucho98

[nucci]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

Being a Football fan is part of life, like I said, sit back and enjoy the spectacle, and our Buffalo Bills, no worries ?

 

unless you like like to have concerns and worry, then go for it, and worry your backside off... 

 

Go Bills!!!

unfortunately, it's who I am....not just about football

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Azucho98 said:

Last years line was one of the worst ever fielded by a Bills team.  There is NO WAY this years line will be as bad or worse.  Much more talent on the roster.

 

Why not?

 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, nucci said:

unfortunately, it's who I am....not just about football

Gotcha, my brother is like that, takes all kinds to make it work. If everyone was the same It would be a boring world.

 

Go Bills!!!

 

[Nuncha]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Why not?

 

 

 

 

The answer is in my post.

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Azucho98

[Socal-805]

28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Huh?  So the OL looks good pretty much every day of the entire offseason programs...and then one mediocre practice against what should be a top 5 defense while a couple different starters rotated in is now a concern?  

 

No disrespect, but I just don't understand these hot takes people come up with over one practice, one play, etc...good or bad hot takes.  

 

Who says this is a top 5 defense?  18-19 points / game last year.

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

I’ll worry if they don’t get the O-line sorted by the third preseason game. I expect a bunch of subs and juggling until then while the coaching staff figures out who plays better together. At this point Dawkins and Spain appear to be stable on the left side... I’ll take that for the first week of camp. 

[Malazan]

[WhoTom]

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

OK I get the panic vibe emanating from you on this.  I went to camp yesterday and noticed that O-Line minus Morse and Long looked out of sync - to be expected with the key position C (Morse), and one of the most tenured vets (Long) being missing.  In addition Dawkins missed a series and Nsekhe had to play LT so lots of discombobulation in the live 11 on 11.  

 

Bodine will not make the roster and neither will Ducasse.  IMHO Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Ford and Nsekhe are there best 5 Olinemen and should lineup as such.  Long and Feliciano are Interior O-Line backups and Waddle is the backup swing tackle.  Teller may make the 53 but will seldom dress in this scenario.  Or they rotate week to week between Long and Feliciano as C/G backup.

[Ittakestime]

3 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

OK I get the panic vibe emanating from you on this.  I went to camp yesterday and noticed that O-Line minus Morse and Long looked out of sync - to be expected with the key position C (Morse), and one of the most tenured vets (Long) being missing.  In addition Dawkins missed a series and Nsekhe had to play LT so lots of discombobulation in the live 11 on 11.  

 

Bodine will not make the roster and neither will Ducasse.  IMHO Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Ford and Nsekhe are there best 5 Olinemen and should lineup as such.  Long and Feliciano are Interior O-Line backups and Waddle is the backup swing tackle.  Teller may make the 53 but will seldom dress in this scenario.  Or they rotate week to week between Long and Feliciano as C/G backup.

 

They are probably taking 9 O lineman and Bodine provides way more security than Teller.

 

Not to mention, Teller is straight trash.  Not even sure if Bills will try and put him back on PS

[hondo in seattle]

If this OL achieves mediocrity, I'll be thrilled with the progress over last year.

 

 

[Socal-805]

4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

They are probably taking 9 O lineman and Bodine provides way more security than Teller.

 

Not to mention, Teller is straight trash.  Not even sure if Bills will try and put him back on PS

 

Bodine?  Almost certainly on of the worst centers in the league.  The worst O linemen for one of the worst O lines in 2018?  Really?

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

If this OL achieves mediocrity, I'll be thrilled with the progress over last year.

 

 

 

 

+ 1 

 

THIS

[H2o]

Bills attempt at rebuilding the OL........

Edited August 1, 2019 by H2o

[freddyjj]

16 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

They are probably taking 9 O lineman and Bodine provides way more security than Teller.

 

Not to mention, Teller is straight trash.  Not even sure if Bills will try and put him back on PS

Boettger over Bodine or teller is a real possibility too.  Like Searles last year  Ike can play C/G/T if need be.  

[Bookie Man]

If there were headlines about the OL dominating, would the DL have you worried?

[C.Biscuit97]

56 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Huh?  So the OL looks good pretty much every day of the entire offseason programs...and then one mediocre practice against what should be a top 5 defense while a couple different starters rotated in is now a concern?  

 

No disrespect, but I just don't understand these hot takes people come up with over one practice, one play, etc...good or bad hot takes.  

I means it goes both ways too.  Peterman looks good, I think he can be a nfl starting QBs!!!

 

its the good and bad about media and fans watching practice.  All of this stuff is pretty meaningless until the regular season.  Practice is for making mistakes, trying different lineups, implementing gameplans.  Everything reported should be taken with a grain of salt.  You just hope to come out of preseason with as few injuries as possible.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Did I read Morse was on the sideline yesterday at practice?  Typically concussion protocol is to stay in a darkened room.  Makes me think this is very minor, if this happened in two months, never would have even been reported.  But if Morse stated "I bumped my head a a bit" at this point in camp, it's concussion protocol.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Why are we not talking about Cody Ford being an instant bust?  Nsekhe now taking 1st team reps at RT?  We’re screwed.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Mitch Morse has me concerned, only in the fact that you just never know when he might get his bell rung and be out a couple games.

 

Aside from that though, I think we have a lot of potential.  Dawkins/Ford could be book-end young tackles, and if needed Ty Nsekhe (a good player) is in the fold.

 

Spain and Long are average at G, but average is a lot better than what we've had.  Feliciano gives us solid veteran depth at the position.

 

Morse is a stud as long as he can avoid concussions.  That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Bodine given we've already had to put Morse in protocol.

 

Most teams struggle to put out 4-5 average guys on their OL.  I think we can, at the very least, do that.

 

OL is a position where, 1 or 2 above average guys and the rest being average, is considered one of the better units in the league.

 

I think Bodine is a long shot to make the roster.  He was terrible last year and he was terrible in Cincinnati before that.  His only shot is if none of the options to be the backup can do the job or all are injured.  If that happens, look for the Bills to pick up an experienced guy that is a late cut from another team.

[BringBackFlutie]

3 hours ago, MR8 said:

 

Low quality post as always Teef.... Lawfirm would be disappointed in you...

 

Wait.  You're back?  

[GunnerBill]

Quinton Spain misses a day and the OL struggles. Well, well, who'd have thunk it? 

 

Me. Me. I would. 

 

Quinton Spain is our best FA addition. 

[MR8]

Just now, BringBackFlutie said:

 

Wait.  You're back?  

 

Been hanging around the Billievers Forums... but TBD needed an injection of football knowledge, so I figured I'd oblige... 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

 

I think Morse being out impacts all of this. O line tends to takes loads of reps to jell and center tends to lead the group. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I think Morse being out impacts all of this. O line tends to takes loads of reps to jell and center tends to lead the group. 

 

Today they had their best center and their best guard out and the line looked worse. Go figure. 

 

If we have to start the line that started out there today our line will be bottom third of the league. If Spain and Morse are out there it is top 3rd. 

[JerseyBills]

Not me. 

Even fully healthy , it's early in camp , we have a great , potentially dominant D with tons of continuity going against a unit with many new pieces.

This was to be expected imo. I'd have concerns about the D if they weren't doing great right now against an OL still gelling.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

3 hours ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

The coaching staff is doing a lot of mixing players in and out of the so-called first team o-line.  They are doing this to determine the best combination of players to be the starters and to determine which positions the various players can effectively play.  Position flexibility will have a great deal to do with who makes the 53 man roster.  Before we all become distraught over any of this, try to remember that defenses are always ahead of the offense in training camp.  If they are still struggling after week one, I'll be concerned. 

[Big Gun]

3 hours ago, gjv001 said:

With the large influx of Olinemen I was starting to believe that the major weakness we suffered with last year was behind us. However, the injuries and poor performance of the Oline at camp on day 6 is very concerning. I know it's early, but as of today the four highest paid free agent Oline signees are either injured or unable to crack the starting lineup. Josh Allen was under extreme pressure throughout the prctice.

And if the oline was looking tremendously good, your retort would be concern for the dline as Oliver was our 1st pick. To this I say whatever, it's only a couple of days into camp!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Today they had their best center and their best guard out and the line looked worse. Go figure. 

 

If we have to start the line that started out there today our line will be bottom third of the league. If Spain and Morse are out there it is top 3rd. 

 

True. Guard is addressable if Spain isn’t available. 

 

Concusion with Morse was a worry from day 1, just sucks for him it’s already cropped up from the first padded practice. Fourth documented concussion.  

[John from Riverside]

I fully expect the OL to have its growing pains especially in pass protection......

 

THAT IS WHY YOU RUN THE BALL until the OL has jelled.

 

Were fine

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

True. Guard is addressable if Spain isn’t available. 

 

Concusion with Morse was a worry from day 1, just sucks for him it’s already cropped up from the first padded practice. Fourth documented concussion.  

 

I think Long and Feliciano are moderate upgrades on Ducasse, Teller and Miller but they are at best average NFL starters. Spain is a legitimately good NFL guard. I think he has pro bowl potential this year if he stays healthy. We can "get by" without him. But I don't think we can have a really good oline without him.