plenzmd1 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Sunday morning, and I am bored. Read this article yesterday, and it got me thinking http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001031090/article/are-changes-upcoming-for-pi-penalty-challenges #1) I HATE this freaking rule #2) Every big pass play/TD in last two minutes going to be challenged...what a beating this rule is going to be. Forget ever being able to celebrate a late TD scored by your team on a pass play., cause maybe there was a pick at yard 3, or a push off by the receiver at yard 7.. no matter what it is going to be challenged! #3) Could this actually hurt the Pats? Do the Pats still run a bunch of rub/pick plays? Maybe those types of plays have to go out the window at critical junctions of the game? Do all kind of screens late in games now become riskier? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 This rule change will make it harder to cheat by committing offensive pass interference on every play, knowing that it won't be called on every play. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Sunday morning, and I am bored. Read this article yesterday, and it got me thinking http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001031090/article/are-changes-upcoming-for-pi-penalty-challenges #1) I HATE this freaking rule #2) Every big pass play/TD in last two minutes going to be challenged...what a beating this rule is going to be. Forget ever being able to celebrate a late TD scored by your team on a pass play., cause maybe there was a pick at yard 3, or a push off by the receiver at yard 7.. no matter what it is going to be challenged! #3) Could this actually hurt the Pats? Do the Pats still run a bunch of rub/pick plays? Maybe those types of plays have to go out the window at critical junctions of the game? Do all kind of screens late in games now become riskier? Thoughts? Challenges are the illusion that a team can correct a call. How many games have you ever seen an overturned call decide the outcome late? Seems like there is usually the team that is “supposed” to win and officials ignore evidence when they should overturn a call that would hurt said team. How many games have we ever won because of a challenge? The more officials can intervene, the better it is for New England and the worse it is for us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Sunday morning, and I am bored. Thoughts? Have you considered church? 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Riiiight. Just like every other rule change has hurt NE*. If you think refs making judgement calls on inconclusive replay reviews favors anyone other than the league's marquee teams, you are dreaming. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Have you considered church? considered? sure..actually go? No way Just now, KD in CA said: Riiiight. Just like every other rule change has hurt NE*. If you think refs making judgement calls on inconclusive replay reviews favors anyone other than the league's marquee teams, you are dreaming. I don't know..seems to me these pick/rub plays and blocking downfield too early will be pretty cut and dry. Do Defensive coaches start to coach a defensive player to run into offensive guys knowing it can be reviewed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: considered? sure..actually go? No way I don't know..seems to me these pick/rub plays and blocking downfield too early will be pretty cut and dry. Kraft’s rub play was definitely not of the dry variety. 3 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Have you considered church? And waste a good hour sitting in the yard in sunshine? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Kraft’s rub play was definitely not of the dry variety. Ha! I got a good chuckle out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Ha! I got a good chuckle out of this. One out of every 27 of my zingers strikes the funny bone. Meanwhile I would like to take a moment to apologize to the esteemed (old and crotchety) @plenzmd1 for polluting his thread. it is a knee jerk rule, and like the “what constitutes a catch” bs it will lead to more confusion and angst than answers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 The league screwed up the catch rule a few years back so that nobody could define a catch and obvious catches were ruled incomplete. This rule will be the same. It will only make things worse as the calls are dragged out and reinforce the perception (which may be true) that the refs are deciding the outcome of the games and not the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Sunday morning, and I am bored. Read this article yesterday, and it got me thinking http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001031090/article/are-changes-upcoming-for-pi-penalty-challenges #1) I HATE this freaking rule #2) Every big pass play/TD in last two minutes going to be challenged...what a beating this rule is going to be. Forget ever being able to celebrate a late TD scored by your team on a pass play., cause maybe there was a pick at yard 3, or a push off by the receiver at yard 7.. no matter what it is going to be challenged! #3) Could this actually hurt the Pats? Do the Pats still run a bunch of rub/pick plays? Maybe those types of plays have to go out the window at critical junctions of the game? Do all kind of screens late in games now become riskier? Thoughts? Sometimes when you drink yourself into a drunken stupor you behave more soberly. Go back to bed and wake up again. Then you can start your day on a more positive note. Edited May 19, 2019 by JohnC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 "Deep Thoughts By Plenz Handy" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Solution: Refs off the field and out of the replay booth the final two minutes. This is when you want the Oakland Raiders of old as your team. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Kraft’s rub play was definitely not of the dry variety. The precedent has already been set that any video showing New England Patriot Rub Plays will be non-reviewable. Edited May 19, 2019 by Forward Progress 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Hopefully it’ll only be rare occasions like the Saints game with NCR, and not watching for push offs on jump balls during Hail Marys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Virgil said: Hopefully it’ll only be rare occasions like the Saints game with NCR, and not watching for push offs on jump balls during Hail Marys rule is the rule right? Nothing in the rule about Hail Mary plays or last minute of game etc..get ready for it! what about a pick play at the 1 1/2 past the line of scrimmage that helps convert a 4th down in the 4th quarter? Edited May 19, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Not as long as the ref's still have pockets. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Future generations won’t believe us when we tell them an NFL football game used to take less than 4 hours. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 There are only 2 challenges, 3 if you win the other two if I am not mistaken. Will it end up costing teams this year? Sure it will at some point. Either way it's not like you can challenge every play. Coaches will have to be smart just like with anything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I’m only worried about it helping or hurting us. Based on what I’ve seen over the last 20 years, it can only help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Pretty sure they can't challenge inside of 2 minutes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 i read an article the other day- i can not remember where- that was written by SB referee of the Rams vs Pats*. he stated that under new rule the rams could have challenged a throw to the one yard line that would have been overturned in their favor in 4th qtr. In that case it would have definitely changed the game. when it comes to NFL officials I think the line from " Catch Me If You Can" applies to Pats* " The same reason the Yankees keep winning- they are distracted by the pinstripes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I'm in favor of any rule change that improves the accuracy of calls on the field. Have this debate with my Dad all the time. I think MLB should go with K Zone and be done with umpires calling balls and strikes. He counters with "umpires are part of the game and it's OK for an ump to give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt if they've been close." Absurd. A ball is a ball and a strike is a strike. I could see this hurting the Pats (and others) with some of their pick plays, but why is that a problem? If it was a pick, it should be called accordingly. More oversight is almost certainly better for the Bills who often get the shaft. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Have you considered church? He said he was bored, why make the situation worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Have you considered church? He said he was bored..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Have you considered church? How does church help with boredom? ? 6 minutes ago, iinii said: He said he was bored..... Beat me to it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: How does church help with boredom? ? Beat me to it ? Sorry, couldn’t resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Every call goes the pats way as it is, this just gives the zebras more opportunity to help them out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I really don’t like the New England Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 There are literally 2 things that can happen to hurt the pats. They involve resignation from or retirement of two canton bound individuals leading that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 *coaches still have only 2 challenges unless they gat a 3rd for successfully challenging two previous calls which is rare *coaches cannot challenge inside two minutes so such a challenge would have to be the refs challenging a call they felt they missed *coaches still lose a timeout with an unsuccessful challenge so to think all of a sudden a bunch of coaches would start throwing challenge flags for phantom PI's and blow a timeout outside the last two minutes is nothing more than paranoia. This is a solid rule and will not make games longer like some people are implying. Pass interference would be one of the easier challengeable calls to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 10 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Sunday morning, and I am bored. Read this article yesterday, and it got me thinking http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001031090/article/are-changes-upcoming-for-pi-penalty-challenges #1) I HATE this freaking rule #2) Every big pass play/TD in last two minutes going to be challenged...what a beating this rule is going to be. Forget ever being able to celebrate a late TD scored by your team on a pass play., cause maybe there was a pick at yard 3, or a push off by the receiver at yard 7.. no matter what it is going to be challenged! #3) Could this actually hurt the Pats? Do the Pats still run a bunch of rub/pick plays? Maybe those types of plays have to go out the window at critical junctions of the game? Do all kind of screens late in games now become riskier? Thoughts? Can't challenge within the last 2 minutes, correct? Probably save it for within 3 mins for dbags like Belicheat though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Every TD is reviewed anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 My belief is that coaches will treat this like any other challangable call. If the coach is likely to challenge ticky-tack calls, this is just another outlet. If they’re not the kind to throw the red that often, it’ll be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Every TD is reviewed anyways... This, among other things, combined with the dumb rule will lead to new and original ways of screwing some teams and he,ping others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 hours ago, StHustle said: *coaches still have only 2 challenges unless they gat a 3rd for successfully challenging two previous calls which is rare *coaches cannot challenge inside two minutes so such a challenge would have to be the refs challenging a call they felt they missed *coaches still lose a timeout with an unsuccessful challenge so to think all of a sudden a bunch of coaches would start throwing challenge flags for phantom PI's and blow a timeout outside the last two minutes is nothing more than paranoia. This is a solid rule and will not make games longer like some people are implying. Pass interference would be one of the easier challengeable calls to make. At the owners meeting this week, that are going to consider changing the 2 minute rule only for this call. The thinking is I guess they will have to review every pass play within 2 minutes and it will become unbearable. So so I see almost all coaches saving a challenge for the last 2 minutes. So think how that impacts the rest of the game. And i think PI is going to be just the opposite of “ easy”. One ref allows hand fighting, another does not. Someone is 1/ 1/2 past LOS WHEN he picks D. DId that other WR hit his block a tenth of a second before the receiver caught the ball? If this types of plays are not ruled PI but some other sort of foul that is not replay able, that would help. But pick plays and blocking to early are still riled OPI as far as I know, and it is just plain gunna suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 These reviews will still be at the discretion of the Refs on field that didn't make the call in the first place. Odds are the call goes against the bills either way. Just the way its been for as long as I can remember. At least no review left us thinking, hey maybe he just didn't see it. Now we know for sure when we are getting screwed or not and I think it hurts more! ?. Reviews need to be moved to a centralized headquarters where a team of Refs have access to the same reviews we see on a big 70"+ screen that way nothing can be missed. Take the pressure off the Refs that are on field and afraid to make the right call or can't see the right call looking at a 13" monitor at field level where everyone in the stadium can see it plain as daylight on the big screen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just heard on SiriusXM NFL that the new rule will likely be tweaked to NOT be automatic in the last 2 minutes of either half. It’s not carved in stone yet, but it’s now likely going to be a coaches challenge the entire game. So, if the coach screws up an earlier challenge then gets NewOrleans’d in the final minute, he’s SOL for challenging the call. Fyi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Well, one thing (almost) for sure, the King of OPI (thus far) retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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