dollars 2 donuts Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) ...or do you think there is potential, if cleared by the Bills' doctors, to get a special talent if you drop down a few spots (let's say the early to mid teens)? Edited April 22, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Dr's cleared Shaq too. Didn't work out so well. So many great options - why draft anyone with a potential problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I think people are afraid of the heart stuff and rightfully so. I think this is all raked stuff to get him to somebody in the teens. I'd take him at 9 if Oliver is gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: ...or do you think there is potential, if cleared by the Bills' doctors, to get a special talent if you drop down a few spots (let's say the early to mid teens)? I will trust Beane to make the right choice there. Edited April 22, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I don’t have a draft board 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 He has character issues too. I don’t think the Bills will take him unless he fails to the 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 He’s off my board because there are 9+ players I’d rather have ahead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) I don’t see him a boom or bust but just has red flags. And his combine performance didn’t match his film, though he was very productive. Edited April 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, TOboy said: I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. The Hurst situation is a great comparison. I really can't believe he went in the fourth. I can't see that happen to Sweat, but who knows at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 30 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think people are afraid of the heart stuff and rightfully so. I think this is all raked stuff to get him to somebody in the teens. I'd take him at 9 if Oliver is gone. I'd worry at 9, but would feel more comfortable in the teens. 31 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Yeah, that's why I brought this up. 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He has character issues too. I don’t think the Bills will take him unless he fails to the 3rd. 11 minutes ago, TOboy said: I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t see him a boom or bust but just has red flags. And his combine performance didn’t match his film, though he was very productive. Didn't know about the character issues. good points. Guys, I am going to leave this open just for it a bit longer, but can somebody let me know how to lock my own thread? I don't want this thread tying up space here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The Hurst situation is a great comparison. I really can't believe he went in the fourth. I can't see that happen to Sweat, but who knows at this point. This is kind of where I’m at. He’s too good of a pas rusher (one of the hardest & most expensive things to find) to believe that he falls too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I haven’t seen his medicals and would not have the expertise to interpret them for my hypothetical mock draft that I do not have since mock drafts are a total waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 His heart is just not strong enough to commit to the process 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 man if he's there in the second you take that risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I like the idea of Montez Sweat but he may not be up to the job. Besides the heart issue and the Michigan State issue (Weed and a bicycle?) is the way he makes sacks. They are pretty soft and not likely to separate the ball. He really needs to arrive at the QB with the intent of getting the ball out like Khalil Mack and Josh Allen who forced 11 fumbles at Kentucky. Montez forced only one at Mississippi State. This could be drill and coaching, but learning to use an off hand chop at the ball when approaching the tackle would be a start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I don’t have a draft board I do but Im lazy...er uh Im working all the time so its empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Not enough of a 1st step to be an effective pass rusher IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is kind of where I’m at. He’s too good of a pas rusher (one of the hardest & most expensive things to find) to believe that he falls too far. Rams will take him if he falls enough Edited April 22, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Sure take the gamble in the 3rd. Not in the first. Take him in the 3rd and if the medical ends his career early no major issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 just fyi Star has the same heart issue and the Panthers took him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think people are afraid of the heart stuff and rightfully so. I think this is all raked stuff to get him to somebody in the teens. I'd take him at 9 if Oliver is gone. ...everything turned out okay for Star.....hope for the same with this lad............... Top prospect Star Lotulelei gets positive news on heart By Kevin Patra NFL.com Published: April 2, 2013 at 05:38 a.m. Updated: April 2, 2013 at 03:27 p.m. Concerns over Utah defensive lineman Star Lotulelei's health are beginning to be put to rest as the 2013 NFL Draft approaches. A recent MRI showed "no evidence of dysfunction" with the defensive lineman's heart, which functioned "consistently with that of highly trained athletes" said Utah team physician Dave Petron, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. Lotulelei, who was projected at No. 1 overall previously, put a scare into NFL personnel when an echocardiogram administered at the NFL Scouting Combine in February revealed his left ventricle was operating at just 44 percent, compared to the normal range of 55 percent to 70 percent. The improvement in Lotulelei's condition in a test administered shortly after the combine led most to believe the abnormality might have been caused by a virus, according to the Tribune. The most recent news buoys that belief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) I'm not Sweating Sweat's condition. They tested him, and still let him perform at the Combine. That would not happen, IMO, if it was very serious. If he is there at 9, I'm taking him. I do not buy that he is "off of team boards," and that teams expect him to fall out of the first. This sounds like teams at the bottom of the 1st hoping to land him. Edited April 22, 2019 by RyanC883 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 This is bs, spouted by some team picking in the teens, hoping Sweat will fall to them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 He was off my board due to his association with Lil Jon. WWWHAT??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 If he manages to fall to the 3rd or 4th round, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 i guess this is guessing game that is the draft. this morning on sirius, the mentioned that bill polian didn't even have gronk on his board due to his back problems. you just have to hope you're guessing correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I think he drops out of the first round. Mike McGlinchey was picked 9th last year and he has a 4 yr 18 mil deal fully guaranteed. I doubt Beane gives a contract like that to a player he has any health concerns about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just say no to any chronic condition. It's an easy rule to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Ok guys, I'm am not a cardiologist, but as an anatomist and physiologist I teach the basic science stuff to those who become cardiologists. So I'd like to think I bring a little credibility to this discussion. First, I cannot find any information anywhere about the exact nature of his pre-existing heart condition, whether it is electrical in nature, or some kind of cardiomyopathy, valve, or whatever. All I have read is that at the combine is was deemed low risk and thus he was cleared to work out. Second, cardiologists are pretty smart people, so I am sure any team in the NFL interested in the kid would have a team of smart cardiologists that are more than capable of assessing him. Third, comparisons, to someone like Lawson, where the decisions was not whether he had a problem but what was the best way to treat it, and not comparable. So it's pretty simple: have your docs assess the kid, get their data, then make the call. To say you would take him off your board completely without adequate information is just silly. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 He would not have been allowed to complete the drills at the combine if his heart condition was bad. This is just someone trying to sabotage Sweat. If he falls out of the first round, some team is gonna have a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 (edited) We don't need dead guys cluttering up the locker room. .. Edited April 22, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I don't care if the guy ends up in the Hall of Fame. I wouln't gamble a #3 We don't need dead guys cluttering up the locker room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 There are other issues with him aside from his heart. They will also play large with a team like the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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