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So is Montez Sweat just off your boards due to his heart condition?


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13 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

...or do you think there is potential, if cleared by the Bills' doctors, to get a special talent if you drop down a few spots (let's say the early to mid teens)?

I will trust Beane to make the right choice there.

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I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. 

 

Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. 

 

The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. 

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8 minutes ago, TOboy said:

I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. 

 

Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. 

 

The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. 

 

The Hurst situation is a great comparison. I really can't believe he went in the fourth. I can't see that happen to Sweat, but who knows at this point. 

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30 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think people are afraid of the heart stuff and rightfully so. I think this is all raked stuff to get him to somebody in the teens. I'd take him at 9 if Oliver is gone. 

I'd worry at 9, but would feel more comfortable in the teens.

31 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Yeah, that's why I brought this up.

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He has character issues too. I don’t think the Bills will take him unless he fails to the 3rd.

 

11 minutes ago, TOboy said:

I was already a little scared of him, just has that boom or bust feel, so I don't want him to be in play at 9. 

 

Doesn't mean I'd drop him from my board entirely though. If he were there at 40 (which I understand is very unlikely) I'd be very intrigued. 

 

The Raiders did well taking Maurice Hurst much later than he was expected to go last year due to a similar issue. 

 

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t see him a boom or bust but just has red flags. And his combine performance didn’t match his film, though he was very productive. 

 

 

Didn't know about the character issues.  good points.  

 

Guys, I am going to leave this open just for it a bit longer, but can somebody let me know how to lock my own thread?

 

I don't want this thread tying up space here.

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3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

The Hurst situation is a great comparison. I really can't believe he went in the fourth. I can't see that happen to Sweat, but who knows at this point. 

This is kind of where I’m at. He’s too good of a pas rusher (one of the hardest & most expensive things to find) to believe that he falls too far.

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I like the idea of Montez Sweat but he may not be up to the job.  Besides the heart issue and the Michigan State issue (Weed and a bicycle?) is the way he makes sacks.  They are pretty soft and not likely to separate the ball.  He really needs to arrive at the QB with the intent of getting the ball out like Khalil Mack and Josh Allen who forced 11 fumbles at Kentucky.  Montez forced only one at Mississippi State.  This could be drill and coaching, but learning to use an off hand chop at the ball when approaching the tackle would be a start.

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is kind of where I’m at. He’s too good of a pas rusher (one of the hardest & most expensive things to find) to believe that he falls too far.

Rams will take him if he falls enough

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51 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think people are afraid of the heart stuff and rightfully so. I think this is all raked stuff to get him to somebody in the teens. I'd take him at 9 if Oliver is gone. 

 

...everything turned out okay for Star.....hope for the same with this lad...............

 

Top prospect Star Lotulelei gets positive news on heart

 

By Kevin Patra NFL.com

  • Published: April 2, 2013 at 05:38 a.m.
  • Updated: April 2, 2013 at 03:27 p.m.

Concerns over Utah defensive lineman Star Lotulelei's health are beginning to be put to rest as the 2013 NFL Draft approaches.

 

A recent MRI showed "no evidence of dysfunction" with the defensive lineman's heart, which functioned "consistently with that of highly trained athletes" said Utah team physician Dave Petron, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

 

Lotulelei, who was projected at No. 1 overall previously, put a scare into NFL personnel when an echocardiogram administered at the NFL Scouting Combine in February revealed his left ventricle was operating at just 44 percent, compared to the normal range of 55 percent to 70 percent.

 

The improvement in Lotulelei's condition in a test administered shortly after the combine led most to believe the abnormality might have been caused by a virus, according to the Tribune.

 

The most recent news buoys that belief.

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I'm not Sweating Sweat's condition.  They tested him, and still let him perform at the Combine.  That would not happen, IMO, if it was very serious.  

 

If he is there at 9, I'm taking him.  

 

I do not buy that he is "off of team boards," and that teams expect him to fall out of the first.  

 

This sounds like teams at the bottom of the 1st hoping to land him.  

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i guess this is guessing game that is the draft.  this morning on sirius, the mentioned that bill polian didn't even have gronk on his board due to his back problems.  you just have to hope you're guessing correctly.

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Ok guys, I'm am not a cardiologist, but as an anatomist and physiologist I teach the basic science stuff to those who become cardiologists.  So I'd like to think I bring a little credibility to this discussion.  First, I cannot find any information anywhere about the exact nature of his pre-existing heart condition, whether it is electrical in nature, or some kind of cardiomyopathy, valve, or whatever.  All I have read is that at the combine is was deemed low risk and thus he was cleared to work out.  Second, cardiologists are pretty smart people, so I am sure any team in the NFL interested in the kid would have a team of smart cardiologists that are more than capable of assessing him.  Third, comparisons, to someone like Lawson, where the decisions was not whether he had a problem but what was the best way to treat it, and not comparable.

 

So it's pretty simple:  have your docs assess the kid, get their data, then make the call.  To say you would take him off your board completely without adequate information is just silly.

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