Feels like Pick 9 is no-mans land

[foreboding]

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14. Without some luck (QB who might stir a trade or another Blue chip falls) I do not love our position. 

 

Personally I really hope Beane either goes for a blue-chip by expending some of this years draft capital or trades down.

 

I know we have been discussing this in various threads, but what are your thoughts?

[GunnerBill]

If only one QB goes above them I think it does leave them a bit in no mans land. If two go I think they have a chance to get a really good player at their spot.

[ColoradoBills]

I think too many people are way overthinking the draft.

DL has not been addressed in FA (yet).

Beane knows the draft has a lot of DLs early.  He has an early pick.

Odds are he picks a DL at #9.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

I think too many people are way overthinking the draft.

DL has not been addressed in FA (yet).

Beane knows the draft has a lot of DLs early.  He has an early pick.

Odds are he picks a DL at #9.

 

This.  And after the draft we are going to look back and say, "it was so obvious."  

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14. Without some luck (QB who might stir a trade or another Blue chip falls) I do not love our position. 

 

Personally I really hope Beane either goes for a blue-chip by expending some of this years draft capital or trades down.

 

I know we have been discussing this in various threads, but what are your thoughts?

I guess it depends on your definition of blue chip.  I think this draft is deep in DL talent and we will get a really good addition to the D line at 9.

[Thurman#1]

23 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14. Without some luck (QB who might stir a trade or another Blue chip falls) I do not love our position. 

 

Personally I really hope Beane either goes for a blue-chip by expending some of this years draft capital or trades down.

 

I know we have been discussing this in various threads, but what are your thoughts?

 

 

Not really buying that this is no-man's land.

 

It always feels that way because you're always pining for guys who will probably not be available to you and scorning the guys who'll likely be there a few picks later. Fans of most teams feel that way most years. I felt that way the year we got Dareus because I wanted Von Miller or a QB even though I didn't love Newton.

 

And I think that Oliver, Jawaan Taylor and Sweat are all blue-chippers and we'll likely get a shot at one of them. And I see another couple of guys on the bubble. I'm guessing you want somebody else?

 

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Boca BIlls]

Wrong

[WhoTom]

19 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14.

 

So if Clay makes the catch in the Miami game, we'd have a better draft position?

 

 

[BillsFan1988]

Pk #9 can actually be the best pk of the entire draft or pk #99 or #199 when it's all said and done . Don't overthink it. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

And I think that Oliver, Jawaan Taylor and Sweat are all blue-chippers and we'll likely get a shot at one of them. I'm guessing you want somebody else?

 

 

What if only one Quarterback goes? Still think we are definitely getting a shot at one of those three (not that I'd love the Taylor pick personally).

 

I see the first 8 position players off the board as: Bosa, Oliver, Q. Williams, Allen, White, Gary, Sweat and Taylor. To get one of those to drop we need Haskins (or Lock but that is unlikely in my mind) to go before our pick.

[foreboding]

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

 

So if Clay makes the catch in the Miami game, we'd have a better draft position?

 

 

No, of course not. I think a trade back might net us some of the same players though, or a trade up would get us a more surefire, difference maker.

[BuffaloRebound]

How would you like be in the Giants position?  They clearly need a QB and passed on a bunch last year, and the BPA at 6 will probably be a DL or LB.  

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

What if only one Quarterback goes? Still think we are definitely getting a shot at one of those three (not that I'd love the Taylor pick personally).

 

I see the first 8 position players off the board as: Bosa, Oliver, Q. Williams, Allen, White, Gary, Sweat and Taylor. To get one of those to drop we need Haskins (or Lock but that is unlikely in my mind) to go before our pick.

 

Gunner do you think an offensive player like Metcalf or Hockenson creeps up there before 9? 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Gunner do you think an offensive player like Metcalf or Hockenson creeps up there before 9? 

 

No. I think Hock might be in play for Detroit at 8.... I just think there will be better players there at more critical positions. Hock could then go at #9 or #10 or pretty much any point after that.

 

Metcalf I don't see a top 10 fit for.

[Kirby Jackson]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

If only one QB goes above them I think it does leave them a bit in no mans land. If two go I think they have a chance to get a really good player at their spot.

I think that this is right. There ‘s a chance that Devin White is the last real elite player at 9. It will be a test of BPA. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that this is right. There ‘s a chance that Devin White is the last real elite player at 9. It will be a test of BPA. 

 

I don't think White makes it past the Buccs myself. Either #4 to the Raiders or #5 to the Buccs.

[Thurman#1]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What if only one Quarterback goes? Still think we are definitely getting a shot at one of those three (not that I'd love the Taylor pick personally).

 

I see the first 8 position players off the board as: Bosa, Oliver, Q. Williams, Allen, White, Gary, Sweat and Taylor. To get one of those to drop we need Haskins (or Lock but that is unlikely in my mind) to go before our pick.

 

 

I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as all that, Bill. You could be right. That's a thoughtful list. But a team or two could easily disagree or find bad fits, and it's certainly reasonably likely that two QBs go that early as well. Maybe even three, though maybe not. QB fever is as bad as gold fever.

 

To answer your exact question, in that case I'd probably go Williams. Maybe Dillard.I'd guess Hockenson might be available with a smallish trade-down myself, though I'm far from sure. I wouldn't feel those two were a reach.

 

Not that I'm against trading down. It's often a smart move.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Thurman#1

[BubbaT]

Regardless of whether Bosa, Allen, Q Williams and Oliver are gone by pick 9, there are still Gary, Wilkins, Tillery, Ferrell, Sweat and Burns as likely very good D line/edge candidates available. I don't think the Bills will be desperate or want to offer up prime picks in rounds 2-3 for any one of them. I still see a move down and acquistion of another premium pick to be the way to go when there are so many good players available throughout at least the mid to end of round 1 available.

Edited April 10, 2019 by BubbaT

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as all that, Bill. You could be right. That's a thoughtful list. But a team or two could easily disagree or find bad fits, and it's certainly reasonably likely that two QBs go that early as well. Maybe even three, though maybe not. QB fever is as bad as gold fever.

 

To answer your exact question, in that case I'd probably go Williams. Maybe Dillard. I wouldn't feel those two were a reach.

 

Not that I'm against trading down. It's often a smart move.

 

I wouldn't hate Williams but it isn't my ideal outcome. Dillard to me is a reach and a poor fit for this offense. I have a second round grade on him but he will likely go in the first - I just think he is a very specific scheme fit for a team that plays a quick strike, rhythm passing offense where the ball is out quick. He is a below average run blocker and I also question how he would hold up trying to block for those longer developing down field pass plays. Good technician, very good feet, lacks strength and power.

 

EDIT: If we are in the position where the 8 I listed have gone and there is no reasonable tradeback offer then I'd take either Clelin Ferrell or Brian Burns.

Edited April 10, 2019 by GunnerBill

[Steve O]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

How would you like be in the Giants position?  They clearly need a QB and passed on a bunch last year, and the BPA at 6 will probably be a DL or LB.  

Which is why I can see us trading up to 6 if the guy that McBeane covets is still there. Giants should still be able to get their QB at 9.

[Nanker]

36 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14. Without some luck (QB who might stir a trade or another Blue chip falls) I do not love our position. 

 

Personally I really hope Beane either goes for a blue-chip by expending some of this years draft capital or trades down.

 

I know we have been discussing this in various threads, but what are your thoughts?

Not really a whole lot of Draft Capital in the warehouse.

Add in a player perhaps? 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Steve O said:

Which is why I can see us trading up to 6 if the guy that McBeane covets is still there. Giants should still be able to get their QB at 9.

 

"QB? What's that?" Dave Gettleman, 2018, 2019 and every year thereafter....

[ALLEN1QB]

This draft is loaded with talent in rounds 2-4 would love to trade down for extra picks but it takes two. If no trade offers best player available easy as that. I would love to have them trade back twice in the 1st round and load up with a ton of picks. We will see what happens. If the QB's start flying off the board some teams might panic.   

Edited April 10, 2019 by ALLEN1QB

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Feels like Pick 9 is familiar territory! 

 

But That was then (now) this is now (a forgotten # with a playoff push) 

[mannc]

I think Beane shocks the world and takes Metcalf at 9.  Reminds me of the Josh Allen pick: some serious question marks, but if there weren’t, a player with these tools wouldn’t be available here.  He’s a guy other teams in the conference will hate trying match up with.

[wppete]

We are good. #9 is a good spot. Let’s hope for a run on QBs in the top 10. Maybe even a couple

of OL go top ten also and some elite defensive players drop to us. 

[tombstone56]

I see the Bills looking at either Allen or Sweat .as their favorites , the likely need a trade up for either, if unable to get them I see a trade down if possible, then DK Metcalf , Hockenson , Ferguson are possible,

   my thinking is the likely picks are still  Montez Sweat in 1st. Dexter Lawrence in second, Moreau,Ridley, or Irv Smith jr. in third

 

my my wish list is  Josh Allen!!!!!!  2.0

and 

 Jaylon Ferguson,  Dexter Lawrence, Dalton Risner, Benny Snell jr. , Riley Ridley ,Olive Sagapolu, Dru  Samia, Micheal Dieter,  Max Crosby, Carl Gunderson.

 

give me a combination with those guys and I am smiling .! And yes I would trade a Ist next year to get Allen! 

 

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[BillsFanForever19]

The only issue I have is that if it's "no man's land" - then why would anyone want to trade up to get to "no man's land"? 

 

I suppose there's a scenario in which someone wants a QB. But I feel like given the crop this year, that's not all that likely. 

 

I understand what's being said and I agree. I just think we're probably just gonna have to stay put and take the one Beane likes the most.

[Steve O]

Just now, wppete said:

We are good. #9 is a good spot. Let’s hope for a run on QBs in the top 10. Maybe even a couple

of OL go top ten also and some elite defensive players drop to us. 

This would, of course, be the best case scenario. Someone always drops, someone always trades up in a surprise move, so it is possible. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Hard to see a scenario where one of Bosa, Q Williams, Josh Allen, or Oliver makes it to pick 9.  Even if Devin White and 2 QB’s go before us and Jax takes an O Lineman, Detroit probably takes whoever drops.  Probably need 3 QB’s to go before us to land one of the 4 premier DL.  

[Doc]

I say trade up and make sure you get that blue chip player.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

So OP, is it fair to say that our current draft slot fills you with a sense of “foreboding?”

 

 

 

([backing away, bowing in respect] Very very sorry, but someone had to hit the low hanging fruit) 

 

 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I really hope Quinnen Williams drops to #6 and we trade up or Ed Oliver is there at #9

[Steve O]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Hard to see a scenario where one of Bosa, Q Williams, Josh Allen, or Oliver makes it to pick 9.  Even if Devin White and 2 QB’s go before us and Jax takes an O Lineman, Detroit probably takes whoever drops.  Probably need 3 QB’s to go before us to land one of the 4 premier DL.  

Only other scenario would involve some team that fell in love with Metcalf

[MrEpsYtown]

23 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as all that, Bill. You could be right. That's a thoughtful list. But a team or two could easily disagree or find bad fits, and it's certainly reasonably likely that two QBs go that early as well. Maybe even three, though maybe not. QB fever is as bad as gold fever.

 

To answer your exact question, in that case I'd probably go Williams. Maybe Dillard.I'd guess Hockenson might be available with a smallish trade-down myself, though I'm far from sure. I wouldn't feel those two were a reach.

 

Not that I'm against trading down. It's often a smart move.

 

The team who drafts Dillard is going to very much regret it in a couple of years, especially if they take him in the first. Top ten is a massive reach. 

[Codyny13]

From what I’ve read and heard, there’s 15 true first round talents in this years draft. That puts us right in the meat, we should get a difference make if we stay put at 9.

[Thurman#1]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I wouldn't hate Williams but it isn't my ideal outcome. Dillard to me is a reach and a poor fit for this offense. I have a second round grade on him but he will likely go in the first - I just think he is a very specific scheme fit for a team that plays a quick strike, rhythm passing offense where the ball is out quick. He is a below average run blocker and I also question how he would hold up trying to block for those longer developing down field pass plays. Good technician, very good feet, lacks strength and power.

 

EDIT: If we are in the position where the 8 I listed have gone and there is no reasonable tradeback offer then I'd take either Clelin Ferrell or Brian Burns.

 

 

Fair enough. But good evaluators can have different views.

 

I mean, Daniel Jeremiah has Hockenson, Christian Wilkins, Josh Jacobs and Devin Bush in the top nine of his big board. And Gary tenth. And that's on a board with no QBs in the top ten.

 

I like Burns a lot, actually. Maybe I could change my mind a bit. I don't do nearly the work that you appear to do, but I like Jonah Williams quite a bit. I don't know enough about Ferrell to have a sensible opinion.

[NewEra]

55 minutes ago, foreboding said:

Unless a blue-chip falls, the Bills are likely to have a pool of players who could just as easily be there at a later pick, 12 or 14. Without some luck (QB who might stir a trade or another Blue chip falls) I do not love our position. 

 

Personally I really hope Beane either goes for a blue-chip by expending some of this years draft capital or trades down.

 

I know we have been discussing this in various threads, but what are your thoughts?

Our thoughts are in the other 87 threads

[4merper4mer]

34 minutes ago, foreboding said:

No, of course not. I think a trade back might net us some of the same players though, or a trade up would get us a more surefire, difference maker.

Then why would anyone trade up?

[DasNootz]

Take your top 9 guys at positions we are realistically going to draft... at least one of them will be there and more likely than not 3 or more will be there. Don't overthink this.

 

I only think Metcalf comes into play if we somehow trade back a few spots.  There are many other upside players with less risk at 9.

 

My current list in no particular order:
Quinnen Williams, Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Gary, Wilkins, Taylor, Oliver, Hodkinson