Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Enjoy it Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Holy homer! Relax. Of course, it’s better than him doing terrible on it. But read his scouting report (and if you took off your homer shades, you would see some truth) and his weaknesses. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen?id=32462018-0002-5600-29bc-8750224414bd Pre-snap game plan appears unfocused field reading is spotty Needs to play smarter and place higher value on the ball Anticipatory throws don't seem to come naturally so I’m glad he is good at tests. But seeing a Belichick defense is much different than knowing which vowel is halfway between C and P. Dude. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Just give it a rest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, eball said: Running a dumbed down gimmicky offense that was exposed in said playoffs. Anyway, you're wrong in saying there is NO correlation between intelligence and playing QB at a high level. Regardless, why is it wrong to be excited about a QB (Allen) who has arguably the best set of physical tools and is also clearly intelligent? You're right, we should just poo-poo everything and wait for him to fail. They use the damn test for a reason. There is also no correlation between scoring low on the wonderlic and playing at a poor level, either. But smarter is always more preferable all things being equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Wait. I forgot. You played football before and date a lot of girls. I'm sorry for pointing out how wrong you are. Mea culpa. Why get personal by pointing out things I’ve done. Don’t be jealous. Have a rational discussion like a grown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, eball said: I didn't even know Josh's score but could tell from the way he speaks and interacts he's a smart guy. Those suggesting Josh can't be a cerebral QB like Manning/Brady/Brees are talking out their arses. I think Allen has the right mix. Fitzie was a cerebral guy but lacked arm talent and crucial decision making at certain points. I think Allen has the smarts, talent, and belief in himself to be special. Only thing i can see derailing this kids career is injury. Allen can put the Bills on top like Favre did for the Pack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 We always knew Bradshaw was a "bright" light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Biscuit should change his name to strawman. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I bet alot of people here bashing scores will not go take the wonderlic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, eball said: I didn't even know Josh's score but could tell from the way he speaks and interacts he's a smart guy. Those suggesting Josh can't be a cerebral QB like Manning/Brady/Brees are talking out their arses. Wait, you mean you can hurdle an LB, throw a rocket 70 yards, and still be smart? Paradigms smashed! Posters proven wrong! Universes ripped apart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Look at the intelligence of my QB. The sheer acumen of my QB. The brain capacity of my QB. The intellect of my QB. the aptitude of my QB. The precociousness of my QB. The IQ of my QB. My QBs ability to process information.? Its not everything though. Edited March 26, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: For those who want to know all of the scores... NFL Wonderlic Scores I have pulled out a list of QB's for the sake of reference: Player Score Position Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB Blaine Gabbert 42 QB Carson Wentz 40 QB Alex Smith 40 QB Eli Manning 39 QB Matthew Stafford 38 QB Colin Kaepernick 38 QB Josh Allen 37 QB Tony Romo 37 QB Andrew Luck 37 QB Jared Goff 36 QB Sam Bradford 36 QB Drew Bledsoe 36 QB Aaron Rodgers 35 QB Ryan Tannehill 34 QB Tom Brady 33 QB Nathan Peterman 33 QB Steve Young 33 QB Marcus Mariota 33 QB Kirk Cousins 33 QB Johnny Manziel 32 QB Matt Ryan 32 QB JP Losman 31 QB Trent Edwards 31 QB Phillip Rivers 30 QB Josh McCown 30 QB Matt Barkley 30 QB Josh Rosen 29 QB Troy Aikman 29 QB John Elway 29 QB Andy Dalton 29 QB Rex Grossman 29 QB Nick Foles 29 QB Matt Hasselbeck 29 QB Jimmy Garoppolo 29 QB Sam Darnold 28 QB Blake Bortles 28 QB Mark Sanchez 28 QB Drew Brees 28 QB Peyton Manning 28 QB EJ Manuel 28 QB Russell Wilson 28 QB Joe Flacco 27 QB Carson Palmer 26 QB Jay Cutler 26 QB Kyle Orton 26 QB Baker Mayfield 25 QB Ben Roethlisberger 25 QB Chad Pennington 25 QB Colt McCoy 25 QB Cardale Jones 25 QB Dak Prescott 25 QB Mitchell Trubisky 25 QB Brock Osweiler 25 QB JaMarcus Russell 24 QB Jacoby Brissett 24 QB Geno Smith 24 QB David Carr 24 QB Patrick Mahomes 24 QB Robert Griffin III 24 QB Jordan Palmer 23 QB Tim Tebow 22 QB Brett Farve 22 QB AJ McCarron 22 QB Cam Newton 21 QB Deshaun Watson 20 QB Teddy Bridgewater 20 QB Jake Locker 20 QB Derek Carr 20 QB Michael Vick 20 QB Derek Anderson 19 QB Daunte Culpepper 18 QB Paxton Lynch 18 QB Vinny Testaverde 17 QB Terry Bradshaw 16 QB Dan Marino 16 QB Jim Kelly 15 QB Vince Young 15 QB Steve Mcnair 15 QB Donovan Mcnabb 14 QB Kordell Stewart 14 QB Lamar Jackson 13 QB Vince Young 6 QB Nobody took the Wonderlic seriously enough 35 years ago. But things have a changed a bit now. So Kelly & Marino probably underrated since they did not have / bother with the professional prep these athletes get these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Why get personal by pointing out things I’ve done. Don’t be jealous. Have a rational discussion like a grown up. ME pointing them out?? Those two things make up 80% of everything you've posted! Every time you chime in, you remind people that you played football. Big ***** deal. I'd venture to guess that many of us played football. Zero relevance. Here .... "Wow. Can you tell me about your playing days? That's awesome that you played against Ivy Leaguers. You must have a lot of insight that the rest of us are lacking!!!" Now you can look in the mirror and remind yourself how awesome you are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) I don’t think anyone has ever suggested that the Wonderlic is a conclusive measure to QB success. It’s one piece of the puzzle. The higher the better, Allen gets a check mark here. Not sure why every year it’s a “but Kelly/Marino! But Fitz” argument back and forth as to whether it is meanigful. It’s one factor of many factors. It’s a good sign to score high. It’s a bad sign to score low. But it’s not a determinant either way. There is a reason they still give the test. I don’t know why it’s ever worth arguing about. Edited March 26, 2019 by YoloinOhio 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think anyone has ever suggested that the Wonderlic is a conclusive measure to QB success. It’s one piece of the puzzle. The higher the better, Allen gets a check mark here. Not sure why every year it’s a “but Kelly/Marino! But Fitz” argument back and forth as to whether it is meanigful. It’s one factor of many factors. It’s a good sign to score high. It’s a bad sign to score low. But it’s not a determinant either way. There is a reason they still give the test. I don’t know why it’s ever worth arguing about. Thank you. And I don't believe my initial response in this thread said anything different. Some folks just have an axe to grind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: ME pointing them out?? Those two things make up 80% of everything you've posted! Every time you chime in, you remind people that you played football. Big ***** deal. I'd venture to guess that many of us played football. Zero relevance. Here .... "Wow. Can you tell me about your playing days? That's awesome that you played against Ivy Leaguers. You must have a lot of insight that the rest of us are lacking!!!" Now you can look in the mirror and remind yourself how awesome you are. You played JV as a junior, huh? Sorry dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You played JV as a junior, huh? Sorry dude. Ahhhh ... there it is. Thank you for not disappointing. 2 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Why get personal by pointing out things I’ve done. Don’t be jealous. Have a rational discussion like a grown up. You mean like copying/pasting Allen's pre-draft weaknesses from a website? haha Yea 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Look at the intelligence of my QB. The sheer acumen of my QB. The brain capacity of my QB. The intellect of my QB. the aptitude of my QB. The precociousness of my QB. The IQ of my QB. ....also the proclivity of my QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, cage said: ....also the proclivity of my QB I like the avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 In a game where everything is measured the Wonderlic is just another data point to consider when drafting a QB https://lonelyliberty.wordpress.com/2019/01/17/nfl-qb-wonderlic-scores-success/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 39 minutes ago, Gugny said: Wait. I forgot. You played football before and date a lot of girls. I'm sorry for pointing out how wrong you are. Mea culpa. He’s still waiting for his man crush, EJ Manuel, to come back and rescue the franchise... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I would imagine they also study for the wonder lick prior to taking it. If not, that shows something about their preparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I’m surprised Young was only 33 and Losman was as high as 31. Anyone know why Vince Young has two scores, 15 and 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Nobody took the Wonderlic seriously enough 35 years ago. But things have a changed a bit now. So Kelly & Marino probably underrated since they did not have / bother with the professional prep these athletes get these days. I have no trouble with Marino being that un-bright, his panel appearances are pitiful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Nobody took the Wonderlic seriously enough 35 years ago. But things have a changed a bit now. So Kelly & Marino probably underrated since they did not have / bother with the professional prep these athletes get these days. Ever listen to Kelly and Marino speak? 15 is spot on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Forward Progress said: For those who want to know all of the scores... NFL Wonderlic Scores I have pulled out a list of QB's for the sake of reference: Player Score Position Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB The most important question that this list settles for me is that Aunt Becky didn't get Fitzmagic into Harvard ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Look at the intelligence of my QB. The sheer acumen of my QB. The brain capacity of my QB. The intellect of my QB. the aptitude of my QB. The precociousness of my QB. The IQ of my QB. And he can farm, also....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Yes, because Lamont's stellar QB play got Baltimore there. Don't be simple. His play helped. That's not debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Ever listen to Kelly and Marino speak? 15 is spot on. at least Jim realizes how un-TV he is, or was told in point-blank terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I’m surprised Young was only 33 and Losman was as high as 31. Anyone know why Vince Young has two scores, 15 and 6? He got 6 the first time. He re-took it to prove he are smarter. Then he announced a pick at last year's draft and didn't know how to pronounce, "Harold." It's a lovely story, really. Remember when the Buffalo Bills held a press conference to introduce him as the backup QB? Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, these aren’t related at all. Jim Kelly got a 15. Marino got a 16. Fitz got a 48. football intelligence is completely different than wonderlic “intelligence.” Yes and no. I think the job of the modern QB involves a lot of work off the field - ability to study and retain information, ability to recognize when the same pattern is being presented in different forms. So from one POV, the Wonderlic score matters just because the QBs know it's on the menu. Given that it's on the menu, a guy who has an adequate scholastic background consistent with a high school college-prep education and puts in some preparation should be able to hit in the mid-20s. I would say in this day and age, a score of less than 25 would be a watchout - it would either mean the guy has a learning disability or a poor scholastic background, or just didn't prepare at all. So if I were a team considering him, I would want to investigate very carefully and satisfy myself that the guy can actually do the kind of study and retention he needs. Other than that, I'm not sure a higher score correlates with higher QB'ing ability since I would tend to agree that the type of thinking needed to nuke a test like that differs from the kind of on-field "see and react" a QB needs. The thing that made me laugh was something someone with some UCLA "inside skinny" posted last year about Josh Rosen's attitude - that going in, from what he heard of the guy from people who had met him, he would expect him (Rosen) to have had the attitude that he's extremely intelligent so naturally he would have one of the very best Wonderlic scores, and then "this happened" LOL. (and I do think Rosen has more potential and less poisonous attitude than sometimes painted, but Mr Smarty Pants did get thoroughly shown up on the Wonderlic by Our Own "Mr Cornfed" and Darnold). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: According to http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/wonderlic-test-scores-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-baker-mayfield-josh-allen-rosen-2018/ybb46fv3x1ex1r4hj3l4j9gtb 13 The evil bot would get apoplectic any time you mentioned the 13. Edited March 26, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Poor Vince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, hemma said: Poor Vince. you get 8 for writing your name out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I’m surprised Young was only 33 and Losman was as high as 31. Anyone know why Vince Young has two scores, 15 and 6? Vince Young re-took it. If you add his two scores together he's still in the bottom 20% of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, transient said: Vince Young re-took it. If you add his two scores together he's still in the bottom 20% of the list. do they have Wonderlic Prep Courses that are honestly as useless as any other Prep Course for a test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Josh Allen is a “very stable genius”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It is a benchmark, Much like Speed for a WR. I think I read that in today's NFL really the cutoff is 17. Anything lower than that it is an indicator that there might be a problem there in terms of processing speed, etc. And YES there will always be your statistical outliers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 With a complicated playbook (Rex D) it's helps a lot to have the high wonderlic , good memory. I'm more in favor with a less complicated O and D. less mistakes that way. That goes for OL scheme after what Castillo did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: do they have Wonderlic Prep Courses that are honestly as useless as any other Prep Course for a test? Can you pay for someone take a Wonderlic for you just like how those rich people paid millions to get their kids scores fabricated in that Admissions Scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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