moving up?

[tombstone56]

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

[Bangarang]

Only trade up for QBs. Since we don’t need one we don’t have to trade up.

[PromoTheRobot]

Before free agency I'd have said no way. Now I think you might be on to something. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

Nothing is out of Beaner's toolbox. I think if the guy they really want/need is in range and the deal is right, we will pull the trigger.  With all the FA signings, I do not see us trading down unless it is for a 1st, 2nd next year or they have identified a player who will be gone by the time they pick in that round. Beane seems to be looking for game-changers and the DE/Edge position is one of those where an elite player can change the game. 

With QB/MLB set, this is the next logical position to have a star athlete preferably on a rookie deal. Then OT

"You may be right. I may be crazy. It just might be a lunatic we're looking for."

 

Edited March 25, 2019 by BillsRdue

[mannc]

34 minutes ago, tombstone56 said:

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

Sweat will most likely be available at 9.  Bosa is the only guy I think Beane would trade up from 9 for, but IMO the price would be too high.

[PetermansRedemption]

I don’t see a trade up working this year. Who are you trading up with?

 

 Arizona stays at 1 and it would cost too much anyways

San Francisco, maybe, but the cost is too prohibitive (multiple 1sts)

Jets? I doubt they trade with a division rival 

Oakland? How many firsts do they need? 

So maybe you can get to 5 and the Bucs. That’s an intriguing spot. Question is, are Bosa, Allen and Quinnen Williams gone by then? Most likely they are. So then who are you trading up for? Gary or Sweat? One of them would almost certainly be there at 9 and I don’t think either of them are worth a trade up. 

Giants at 6? No way they are trading out of there. They wouldn’t trade out of 2 last year for a kings ransom, instead drafting a running back. 

Jacksonville and Detroit at 7-8 all the talent worth trading up for almost certainly gone. 

 

It takes two to tango 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Bills2ref

[Freddie's Dead]

'til the Sweat....

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

This guy is coming out of the gates HOT.

[BillyWhiteShows]

46 minutes ago, tombstone56 said:

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

 

I don’t see this happening.  If anything I can see the Bills package a few pick together to get another player in the 3rd or 4th rounds, but I don’t see them moving up in the first round.

[Dr. Who]

I think they stick at 9, but I wouldn't rule out a trade up from 40.

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Only trade up for QBs. Since we don’t need one we don’t have to trade up.

“Only” is just not a word that should be used often.  If Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams falls to 5 and we can get 5 by trading #9 and a 3rd, I pull the trigger every day of the week. “Only” makes the compensation irrelevant, while the compensation is ALWAYS relevant.  Only.  Lol.  No.

[Boatdrinks]

48 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Only trade up for QBs. Since we don’t need one we don’t have to trade up.

I concur with this theory. I’m not certain yet if the Bills need one or not, but I do know this; I wouldn’t trade up for any QB in this draft. 

[Mountain Man]

No. The only trade up I think they will do is use the boatload of day 3 picks to improve the round 2, 3 or 4 picks. If the one of the top TEs reaches the mid 20s I can see the jumping back up.

 

Up from 9? No point, even if no QBs go, there will still be top players

[Mike in Horseheads]

Sorry I thought this was about the Jeffersons.

[rayray808]

we stay put at 9 and grab the best defensive player available... then we also move into the late 1st to grab an elite WR or TE.

 

that is my guess

[clayboy54]

2 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Sorry I thought this was about the Jeffersons.

To a dee-lux apartment in the sky?

[Tatonka68]

Best available DL at #9 like Ed Oliver or Montz Sweat, then trade up to bottom of 1st or top of 2nd for best remaining OT, like Cody Ford or Dalton Risner. 

2 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

we stay put at 9 and grab the best defensive player available... then we also move into the late 1st to grab an elite WR or TE.

 

that is my guess

Would take a TE also I guess.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Tatonka68

[Bangarang]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“Only” is just not a word that should be used often.  If Nick Bosa or Quinnen Williams falls to 5 and we can get 5 by trading #9 and a 3rd, I pull the trigger every day of the week. “Only” makes the compensation irrelevant, while the compensation is ALWAYS relevant.  Only.  Lol.  No.

 

 

Sure, if some team decides to get stupid and offer a trade up to the top 5 for only a 3rd (lol delusional) then go for it. 

Edited March 25, 2019 by Bangarang

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, tombstone56 said:

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

 

Not only do I not think we will trade UP, but I think Beane will first try and trade down.  If he can't find a partner, he will stay at 9 and draft one of the stud prospects there.  The top 10 is so deep there isn't nearly as much incentive to move up right now from 9.  

 

That being said, I do very much think we will trade up at least once, maybe even multiple times in other parts of the draft, especially if he completes a trade down.  I do not think Beane intends on drafting 10+ players (would be more than 10 if we traded down and got any picks this year).  

 

My personal feeling is that we will draft more than 2 players in the first 2 rounds.  Lets assume they trade down and grab an extra 2nd.  They would have a first, two 2nds, a 3rd, two 4ths, and two 5ths.

 

Now they have a ton of ammo to move up once or even twice later in the draft.  For example, they could package one of their 2nds and either our 3rd or one of our 4ths (depending how high they moved up) to get back into the late first or early 2nd to grab a guy they covet (Maybe Simmons, Harry, Fant, Risner, Ford, etc).  

 

Or maybe they keep both 2nds, and instead trade our 3rd and one (or both) of our 4th rounders to get yet a third 2nd round pick.  That would give us 4 picks in first 2 rounds.  

 

There is just too much value in this draft IMO to trade up from 9.  There will blue chip top 5 players at 9 already, plus with such a deep a draft at positions we will look to improve, there is plenty of opportunity to move down and then up and around the draft multiple times.  

 

All I know is that I trust Beane.  If he trades up, I wont be upset as I know we will get a great prospect...but I just dont think its going to happen because he do a lot more for this team moving down or staying put.  

 

 

[ddaryl]

Fish don't fry in the kitchen;
Beans don't burn on the grill.
Took a whole lotta tryin'
Just to get up that hill.
Now we're up in the big leagues
Gettin' our turn at bat.
As long as we live, it's you and me baby
There ain't nothin wrong with that.

Well we're movin on up,
To the east side.
To a deluxe apartment in the sky.
Movin on up
To the east side.
We finally got a piece of the pie.

[fansince88]

To a deelux apartment in the sky

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

20 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

we stay put at 9 and grab the best defensive player available... then we also move into the late 1st to grab an elite WR or TE.

 

that is my guess

 

Take the best available offensive player. (will be the best non-QB offensive prospect?) Then get who's left of the elite defensive players or TE in round 2 or trade up to late rd 1.

Edited March 25, 2019 by Chemical

[Bills Survivor]

I would move up into the late first if high-end talent is still available, but not from 9.  I think 9 is the perfect spot for us.

[qwksilver]

At this point the only thing Beane could do in the draft to shock me would be to stay put and actually use the 10 draft picks.

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

 

Sure, if some team decides to get stupid and offer a trade up to the top 5 for only a 3rd (lol delusional) then go for it. 

Or other compensation.  Or a 3rd and a future 3rd.  Or a future 2nd.  Or 3 future 3rd.  There’s countless compensation structures we could debate.  

 

If there was a GM in the league that would ONLY trade up for a QB without even discussing compensation they probably wouldn’t be a GM for very long imo.  There are many situations in which teams would LOVE to trade down, it’s just there aren’t any takers.  In those situations, the compensation isn’t as bad and both teams can get what they want.  

 

 

Considering our situation this year, an elite pass rusher is usually seen has the 2nd most important variable behind QB.  Quinnen, Bosa and Allen are seen by some as elite pass rushers for their position. We need an elite pass rusher either from DT or DE.  I guess I I just don’t understand the thought process behind “only trading up for a qB” as if if the ONLY piece of the puzzle that matters.  The most important sure, but adding an elite pass rusher to this team could have a similar effect on our D.

[Bangarang]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Or other compensation.  Or a 3rd and a future 3rd.  Or a future 2nd.  Or 3 future 3rd.  There’s countless compensation structures we could debate.  

 

If there was a GM in the league that would ONLY trade up for a QB without even discussing compensation they probably wouldn’t be a GM for very long imo.  There are many situations in which teams would LOVE to trade down, it’s just there aren’t any takers.  In those situations, the compensation isn’t as bad and both teams can get what they want.  

 

 

Considering our situation this year, an elite pass rusher is usually seen has the 2nd most important variable behind QB.  Quinnen, Bosa and Allen are seen by some as elite pass rushers for their position. We need an elite pass rusher either from DT or DE.  I guess I I just don’t understand the thought process behind “only trading up for a qB” as if if the ONLY piece of the puzzle that matters.  The most important sure, but adding an elite pass rusher to this team could have a similar effect on our D.

 

You must be bored.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Only trade up for QBs. Since we don’t need one we don’t have to trade up.

Well, last year Beane traded up for a LB immediately after getting our QB...so much for that theory...

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

You must be bored.

 

You must not like to admit that your wrong my using the word only.  It’s a bad word.  You shouldn’t use it or be ready to defend it.  

[mjt328]

As free agency has progressed, this is a question also crossing my mind.

The roster is a numbers game.  As we continue to add solid veteran depth, we are quickly running out of places for draft picks.

Considering we still have a nice amount of cap space, it's possible we aren't even done with free agents.

 

The only clear remaining holes on the roster are at TE and DT (3-Tech).

The coaching staff is clearly looking to add another pass rusher at DE, so you can add that as well.

And it couldn't hurt to add another OT or OG into the competition.  But both would probably be overkill.

 

Outside of that... anybody we draft or pickup as an UDFA is going to be competing for third string/practice squad reps.

Another QB is going to be developmental/practice squad.  Another RB is going to be #3 behind the vets for at least a season.  Another WR is probably going to be #5 on the depth chart.  Barring injury, backup linebackers rarely get on the field outside of special teams.  Another CB is going to be #6 at best.  I can't see another Safety even making the roster.

 

More likely than a trade-up from #9, I can see us trying to get back into the back-end of the 1st Round.  Or packaging some of those mid-rounders into another 2nd or 3rd. 

 

Personally, I would love to get someone like Ed Oliver at #9 and then possibly get back into the mid/late 20s again for TJ Hockinson (not sure he falls), Noah Fant or Irv Smith Jr.

 

 

[BillsFan1988]

3 hours ago, tombstone56 said:

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

I wouldn't trade up for Sweat no way.  He tends to play high way to much . He will get stonewalled in the NFL playing lIke that. 

[BillsFan4]

I don’t know if they will move up from pick #9, but I fully expect them to move around in the draft. I would be more shocked if they picked at all of their original spots. 

 

In both drafts since McDermott and Beane got here, we have yet to pick at our original spot in the 1st and rarely picked at our original spot in the 2nd and 3rd. 

 

They have shown a real willingness to move around the draft board as well as trade up for players they like. So it wouldn’t really surprise me if they traded up from #9. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade down from #9 either.

 

Your guess is as good as mine (as to what they’ll do)! lol 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 hours ago, tombstone56 said:

with all the free agency moves apparently filling the most obvious holes ,the most glaring in now at de -edge rusher or olb in near future,, ,the highest rated being  BOSA,  and then ALLEN and SWEAT,  ,is it possible that they are setting up a move for either ALLEN OR SWEAT ? lately some mock draft seeing them both at picks 5-7, IMO  getting Allen would be game changer and Sweat reminds me of a young Charles Haley , I would welcome a move to get either one, your opinion?/ or  can we wait and have one come to 9?

I watched Sweat this season ,he is just getting better every game it seems, 

 the way I see it adding ten more draft picks plus udfa's. would be a crowded camp.

 

some teams are so close to cap that more cuts still coming, ,I am curious who is still getting released either before or post draft, my understanding was teams needed 10 million set aside for draft , some teams are way under that the may have changed it but to sign them  the teams still has to find cap space, so more  cuts coming even before camps.

 

wish list for my draft goes like this.

1 sweat de or allen olb

2 dexter Lawrence dt  ,or  chris lindstrom og 

3 riley ridley, deebo Samuel or ,miles boykin,, wrs.

4 benny snell rb , olive sagapolu, dt  or beau benzschawel og

5 dieter ot or ,granderson olb , bryce love rb,,

 

any combination will keep me smiling this offseason

 

Trading up in the first costs a lot of ammo - i'm not sure its worth it.  Wilkins or Oliver likely makes it to 9 - and we still have our 2nd and 3rd to address DE and/or Oline/TE.  

[Formerly Allan in MD]

We're fine at 9.

[Da webster guy]

I have seen Mock's that actually make sense with Quinnen Williams dropping out of the top 5.

 

He's the only dude I would trade up for if he dropped out of the top 5.   Your defense just got 20% better in one shot.   One shot.   I love Bosa but the Q is the best defensive player to come along in years man.   Film, combine, work ethic, the dude is a home run.     I pray he doesn't go to the Jets.

[Magnum Force]

I would trade up if any of Bosa, Q Williams or Allen fell into the 5 or 6 range depending on the price.  But the draft is deep in top end D talent sp it would also make sense sitting at 9 and moving up from 40 which would cost a lot less and be more attainable.

[DCbillsfan]

4 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Sorry I thought this was about the Jeffersons.

We finally got a piece of the pie!

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

 Take the best available offensive player. (will be the best non-QB offensive prospect?) Then get who's left of the elite defensive players or TE in round 2 or trade up to late rd 1.

 

Take the best available football player.  You want a stud at #9, don’t box yourself in. 

[Bangarang]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

You must not like to admit that your wrong my using the word only.  It’s a bad word.  You shouldn’t use it or be ready to defend it.  

 

Do you normally take things so literal? If it makes you feel better you can have this victory.

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Well, last year Beane traded up for a LB immediately after getting our QB...so much for that theory...

 

I never said it doesn’t happen.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

Do you normally take things so literal? If it makes you feel better you can have this victory.

 

I never said it doesn’t happen.

Do you normally talk in such literal terms?  If not, maybe you should stop.  

[ehfeuh57]

nope