eball Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm leaning towards idiot, but I guess his new "plan" is to tank this season and go after the QB next year. But wow. Think where the Giants might be if they had drafted a QB last year as many felt was the prudent move? And how do you think Eli feels at this point? "Thanks for the two Super Bowl wins, man -- now get out there and get your ass kicked while we tank for Tua!" Giants in full rebuild mode now. On the plus side, the Bills play the Miami Tankers twice and the Giant Tankers once this year! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I’ll put it this way... I’m pretty sure Brandon Beane was the one running the Panthers when he was there 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Well based on the OBJ resigning/trading alone, I’d say idiot as well. Unless, of course, it was ownership vacillating and they were the ones directing him to give OBJ a gigantic contract and then trade him 7 months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Well I think they could have gotten more for Odell but he wanted to get ahead of the problem so he took the Browns deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This is hilarious Just now, aristocrat said: Well I think they could have gotten more for Odell but he wanted to get ahead of the problem so he took the Browns deal. Based on what was reported, he gave everyone 24 hours to beat the Browns deal and no one bit. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Idiot without a doubt. Hitching his wagon to an aging Eli and not drafting Darnold was his first mistake. I don’t care if Saquon is the best running back in NFL history, the positional value just isn’t there. Could have easily took a Sony Michel or Nick Chubb and had Darnold. Trading OBJ was idiotic as well. Their new QB (Haskins?) was plug and play, set up for success with a good RB, WR and TE. Now that WR corps is awfully pedestrian. It can be cliche to say this, but, if he passes on a QB at 6 this year he needs to be fired on the spot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I honestly don’t think the OBJ trade hurts them or makes them go into “tank” mode. I do however think they got hosed on the deal. They could of gotten better compensation for him. That said, they have some decent receivers and a pretty exciting young tight end to use, and Barkley is obviously a monster. Where I think Gettleman is an idiot is his use of their cap, they gave out sickening contracts. In the end though, I don’t think having OBJ makes their offense that much better. It’s Barkley’s team now. I don’t think they’ll be all that good this year, but Barkley, Sheppard’s, and Engram isn’t a terrible group to have on the field. The offensive line is trash and Eli is gonna get killed either way since he’s a statue, that’s the big problem for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, eball said: I'm leaning towards idiot, but I guess his new "plan" is to tank this season and go after the QB next year. But wow. Think where the Giants might be if they had drafted a QB last year as many felt was the prudent move? And how do you think Eli feels at this point? "Thanks for the two Super Bowl wins, man -- now get out there and get your ass kicked while we tank for Tua!" Giants in full rebuild mode now. On the plus side, the Bills play the Miami Tankers twice and the Giant Tankers once this year! And so do the Pats and Jets. Stubborn fool maybe? You gots to know when to fold them WRT Eli. Is an EMO really what a 2nd year QB needs to deal with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'd say anyone who think that Tua kid is worth tanking for is an idiot for sure. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdamit Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 he might trade the 17th pick for Rosen, That would complete phase one of the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He seems bad at his job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He's no John Dorsey (Cleveland GM) ... that dude ... on paper has revamped that entire roster from Hue Jackson's team that won ... 1 win for the entire 2016-2017 seasons. That franchise has struggled even more than ours ... so nice to see the changes there .. would love a pair of Lake Erie franchises to rise to the top and we beat them in an AFC Championship game (revenge from the 1989 playoff loss) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, eball said: I'm leaning towards idiot, but I guess his new "plan" is to tank this season and go after the QB next year. But wow. Think where the Giants might be if they had drafted a QB last year as many felt was the prudent move? And how do you think Eli feels at this point? "Thanks for the two Super Bowl wins, man -- now get out there and get your ass kicked while we tank for Tua!" Giants in full rebuild mode now. On the plus side, the Bills play the Miami Tankers twice and the Giant Tankers once this year! I would be shocked if they did not draft a QB with their first pick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Gentleman made a great move. Receivers don’t win you many games,if any and the Giants are obviously in rebuild mode. People sure do fall in the media hype track. Media has made OBJ into a superstar. He’s not worth the money or draft picks Cleveland just gave. I can see why Cleveland did it, it makes them relevant in the eyes of fans and media. Hell, I just heard they are now considered Super Bowl contenders, and that’s a huge LOL. its not true, but people will never believe it because they are influenced by media. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said: He's no John Dorsey (Cleveland GM) ... that dude ... on paper has revamped that entire roster from Hue Jackson's team that won ... 1 win for the entire 2016-2017 seasons. That franchise has struggled even more than ours ... so nice to see the changes there .. would love a pair of Lake Erie franchises to rise to the top and we beat them in an AFC Championship game (revenge from the 1989 playoff loss) They have a potentially really good QB. Splashy trades and signings mean nothing. It’s all paper wins. Im sure not going to change anyone’s mind because people are products of what they are told to believe. Cleveland will be better but it’s not because of all these silly moves, it will be because their QB will improve and drafting has improved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think Gettleman is not to blame for everything. Giants ownership wants Eli as the qb as McAdoo found out the hard way. He tried to trade OBJ last year but no suitors. All in all, I think the Giants messed up last year by not taking a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, eball said: I'm leaning towards idiot, but I guess his new "plan" is to tank this season and go after the QB next year. But wow. Think where the Giants might be if they had drafted a QB last year as many felt was the prudent move? And how do you think Eli feels at this point? "Thanks for the two Super Bowl wins, man -- now get out there and get your ass kicked while we tank for Tua!" Giants in full rebuild mode now. On the plus side, the Bills play the Miami Tankers twice and the Giant Tankers once this year! It's way too early to judge the 2018 QB class and whip Gettleman for passing on a QB and take a generational RB prospect. It may be that if Mayfield had been available, they would have grabbed him but who knows as they never got that chance. Mayfield was clearly the best of the rookie QBs by a significant margin. He clearly demonstrated that the talent and leadership that made him the #1 pick apparently carried over to the NFL. The other four QBs all seem to be promising youngsters with Allen and Jackson demonstrating the best leadership but whatever they did in their rookie seasons -- including Mayfield -- will be meaningless unless they make significant progress as sophomores and continue to develop into true franchise QBs. Furthermore, just because there's a bunch of highly regarded QB prospects in a draft doesn't mean that any or all of them will find success. Most drafts yield a single franchise QB ... and not all of them come out of the top of the draft or even out of the first round (Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Russell Wilson all come to mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think he just did what had to be done. Maybe some day fans will realize what teams have, great talent at WR does not equate to a winning team. Arguably the two best WR's in the league have been traded not because of cap issues, or that there is better talent coming up or anything. They were traded because they are selfish pricks and that is not how you build a winning team. If OBJ was a professional he would still be in NY. You have to remove the cancer in your locker room to move forward sometimes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, dlonce said: Gentleman made a great move. Receivers don’t win you many games,if any and the Giants are obviously in rebuild mode. People sure do fall in the media hype track. Media has made OBJ into a superstar. He’s not worth the money or draft picks Cleveland just gave. I can see why Cleveland did it, it makes them relevant in the eyes of fans and media. Hell, I just heard they are now considered Super Bowl contenders, and that’s a huge LOL. its not true, but people will never believe it because they are influenced by media. I’m pretty certain Odells multiple 1000+ receiving yard seasons are what made him a superstar. Guy has put up 1000 yards, at least, in every season. Except two years ago where he was hurt and only played in 4 games. He has 44 TD’s in 5 seasons and that includes his injured season. His numbers speak for themselves, Odell is a superstar with or without the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 This thread should have a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I'm leaning towards idiot, but I guess his new "plan" is to tank this season and go after the QB next year. But wow. Think where the Giants might be if they had drafted a QB last year as many felt was the prudent move? And how do you think Eli feels at this point? "Thanks for the two Super Bowl wins, man -- now get out there and get your ass kicked while we tank for Tua!" Giants in full rebuild mode now. On the plus side, the Bills play the Miami Tankers twice and the Giant Tankers once this year! Ask this question once again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think the NYG are getting rid of the malcontents. We make fun of McDermott and his "process" but the reality is every team in the NFL has a process. Just like all of our workplaces, sometimes there are personalities that are toxic and divisive that regardless of production, just have to go. IMO, I think a growing number of teams would rather suffer the losses than put up with "personalities". They aren't worth the trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Pure speculation on my part here... Remember that video that came out of Odell in bed with that girl and the white powdery substance last off season? It might be that Odell has not been doing well in his personal life and the Giants see trouble ahead and would rather get something for him instead of nothing if he goes off the rails. You would think they'd have the inside track on what Odell has been up to this off season. No one can deny his ability, but he really doesn't seem to be a very stable individual. They traded a generational talent less than a year after signing him to a huge contract with a $20 million signing bonus, plus his $1.5 million salary, and now they will have to eat another $16 million in dead cap space this season which basically means the Giants paid Odell $37.5 million for one year of service. It's crazy! What did they get in return for the trade? A 1st, a 3rd, and a safety. It makes no sense at all from a football or financial point of view. I think the easy answer is to say that Gettleman is just an idiot, but the owner also needed to sign off on this move. Is John Mara an idiot too? I just don't know. They had to know they were going to get nuked by the Giant's fanbase and New York media for this move. Where is the upside? There just isn't any. I just wonder if there are some other issues at play that we don't know about. Are the Giants afraid that Odell is going to self destruct? Edited March 13, 2019 by Inigo Montoya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, mattynh said: I think he just did what had to be done. Maybe some day fans will realize what teams have, great talent at WR does not equate to a winning team. Arguably the two best WR's in the league have been traded not because of cap issues, or that there is better talent coming up or anything. They were traded because they are selfish pricks and that is not how you build a winning team. If OBJ was a professional he would still be in NY. You have to remove the cancer in your locker room to move forward sometimes. Agree, but then why throw $95M at him a few months ago, then ship him to Cleveland? I’m leaning IDIOT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: Agree, but then why throw $95M at him a few months ago, then ship him to Cleveland? I’m leaning IDIOT. I have to think it’s based on his observations of OBJ from last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Idiot. Peter King had a superb part in his FMIA column this week highlighting how most of the best teams are built through their draft classes and the guys who were drafted 3 - 7 years earlier are the core for the team. The Giants from 2010-2016 have exactly one player now left that was drafted in the top 3 rounds after ODB and Collins leaving. By comparison Eagles and Seahawks two successful teams during the last decade each have 9 players out of 19 and 21 drafted. That is 9 starters per team, that is how you build your roster. Additionally the contract he gave is like a massive anvil to the rosters cap situation at this point. If I was a Giants fan I would be despondent because you should want ODB, Evan Engram, Collins, and Barkley as part of your core moving forward and adding a QB like Hawkins would give you a strong foundation for the next decade. Instead they nuked that and basically are an expansion team with a stud RB who now is a waste in a sense because you are 2-3 years before competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 If they didn't want to keep OBJ long term then he was smart. By giving him a long term contract it greatly increased his trade value. If the original plan was to keep him then he's an idiot. The spent a lot on his signing bonus and got nothing out of the money. Supposedly OBJ is already unhappy with his contract. If so, this could have caused the trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: Idiot without a doubt. Hitching his wagon to an aging Eli and not drafting Darnold Allen was his first mistake. I don’t care if Saquon is the best running back in NFL history, the positional value just isn’t there. Could have easily took a Sony Michel or Nick Chubb and had Darnold Allen. Trading OBJ was idiotic as well. Their new QB (Haskins?) was plug and play, set up for success with a good RB, WR and TE. Now that WR corps is awfully pedestrian. It can be cliche to say this, but, if he passes on a QB at 6 this year he needs to be fired on the spot. Fixed for you ? Edited March 13, 2019 by zevo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dlonce said: Gentleman made a great move. Receivers don’t win you many games,if any and the Giants are obviously in rebuild mode. People sure do fall in the media hype track. Media has made OBJ into a superstar. He’s not worth the money or draft picks Cleveland just gave. I can see why Cleveland did it, it makes them relevant in the eyes of fans and media. Hell, I just heard they are now considered Super Bowl contenders, and that’s a huge LOL. its not true, but people will never believe it because they are influenced by media. This^^ He may have been great ( I think over rated) but he didnt win them anything substantial and I think he was trying to muscle his way out of NY just like AB. If a diva starts sniffing around might as well ship him asap. Its just weird trying to leave NY to be with your buddy in Cleveland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, dlonce said: Gentleman made a great move. Receivers don’t win you many games,if any and the Giants are obviously in rebuild mode. People sure do fall in the media hype track. Media has made OBJ into a superstar. He’s not worth the money or draft picks Cleveland just gave. I can see why Cleveland did it, it makes them relevant in the eyes of fans and media. Hell, I just heard they are now considered Super Bowl contenders, and that’s a huge LOL. its not true, but people will never believe it because they are influenced by media. How is it not true? Potentially elite QB. Elite pass rusher(s). Elite CB. Top 5-10 oline. Elite RB. Elite WR Corp. Potentially signing an elite safety, and Damarious Randall was really good last year too. The Browns need another LB, and another CB, and depth on the lines. It's not just the media. Dorsey has built a extremely good team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Agree, but then why throw $95M at him a few months ago, then ship him to Cleveland? I’m leaning IDIOT. Yeah I guess I was not considering that with my response. My guess is when they signed him there were hoping his behavior would change and it probably has not. It was easier to trade him with his contract though. 2 minutes ago, cle23 said: How is it not true? Potentially elite QB. Elite pass rusher(s). Elite CB. Top 5-10 oline. Elite RB. Elite WR Corp. Potentially signing an elite safety, and Damarious Randall was really good last year too. The Browns need another LB, and another CB, and depth on the lines. It's not just the media. Dorsey has built a extremely good team. On paper you are right, we will see if they win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Idiot for sure. His moves have been head scratchers to say the least... They sold everyone last April on the fact that they were going to draft Barkley because they were "reloading" and have Eli, so it was time to try and win now. So they drafted a running back 2nd overall when your team has a QB that has been done for 5 years and is running on fumes... Then this year they trade away a top 5 WR who is in his prime. Gettleman has no idea what he is doing, trying to win now, trying to win later, trying to never win, he's a wreck. Thankfully we have one of the top GM's in the league and we ended up finding our QB partly due to the poor decision making of Gettleman last year, which pushed QB further down the draft board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 They are going to be looking at year 4 or 5 of Barkley's career before they have a real team around him, which can be ancient in RB years. Last year wasn't just passing on Darnold / Allen, they also passed on the trade package they could have gotten for the pick. Considering Beane traded all 53 / 56 / 65 in moves up and people in the know suggested Darnold was above Allen on our board, I'd have to believe something like 12 / 53 / 56 / 65 / 2019 1st was at least mentioned at some point. Taking Barkley at #2 was an epic miscalculation on how much Eli had in the tank and how much the team was built already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I don’t think he’s done a good job so far in NY. That being said, what he got for OBJ is fantastic imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Last year's and this year's off seasons have proven him to be an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Well, right now would you rather have Josh Allen/Sam Darnold going into their second year with Nick Chubb and Odell Beckham in their offense, or Eli Manning with a good running back and no start receiver? sont get me wrong, Odell is an idiot and it won’t be long before he blows up. That being said, trading him wasn’t the problem- it was the song and dance and insisting that they were good and weren’t trading him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 He's a massive idiot. Why would you pay him a $20M signing bonus just to ship him out of town months later? Cleveland is basically getting OBJ for 5yrs $75M with only $19M GTD. That's insane. It's $15M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, mattynh said: I think he just did what had to be done. Maybe some day fans will realize what teams have, great talent at WR does not equate to a winning team. Arguably the two best WR's in the league have been traded not because of cap issues, or that there is better talent coming up or anything. They were traded because they are selfish pricks and that is not how you build a winning team. If OBJ was a professional he would still be in NY. You have to remove the cancer in your locker room to move forward sometimes. Steelers and Giants are going to suck balls without their all-pro players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Time for Joe and Evan on WFAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Idiot. Huge, huge idiot. What he's doing is roster malpractice. He should be jailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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