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1. Hughes is better, so unless they plan on moving Hughes or Ansah to LE, this makes no sense.

2. Ansah isn't appreciably better than either Shaq or Murphy at this point anyways, so why bother?

3. Clowney is MUCH better than Ansah. Get real.

4. We still need someone to replace Kyle. I want Ed Oliver if possible.

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27 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

1. Hughes is better, so unless they plan on moving Hughes or Ansah to LE, this makes no sense.

2. Ansah isn't appreciably better than either Shaq or Murphy at this point anyways, so why bother?

3. Clowney is MUCH better than Ansah. Get real.

4. We still need someone to replace Kyle. I want Ed Oliver if possible.

 

 

How does it make no sense to have two pass rushers?

 

Ansah had 4 sacks in 2 games started due to injury last year. Lawson and Murphy had 8 combined

 

Clowney has never had more than 10 sacks in a year. Ansah has done it twice and wont cost a pick.

 

 

GreggTX has logic flaws 

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

So you think Ansah came into the league a year older thank Lorax and Gore? Interesting. 

It's a joke first of all.  Ironically, both gore and Alexander came out of the same draft class and are born in the same month.  Thank you for spurring me to look it up.  To answer the question  Ansah is older by 3 months.

 

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2 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

 

How does it make no sense to have two pass rushers?

 

Ansah had 4 sacks in 2 games started due to injury last year. Lawson and Murphy had 8 combined

 

Clowney has never had more than 10 sacks in a year. Ansah has done it twice and wont cost a pick.

 

 

GreggTX has logic flaws 

 

 

 

Clowney is also only 26 still, and Ansah is... 30 something? Nobody seems quite sure about that.

 

The injury concerns seem a little overblown however, last year was an issue, but Ziggy is one year removed from a 12 sack season, and last year was the first season he played fewer than 13 games.

If the price wasn’t egregious, I would prefer Clowney, but if Ansah can be had on a reasonable deal (nothing longer than 3 years with an out after 1-2) it would still be a great move to solidify the pass rush and provides more flexibility on draft day.  

 

 

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I think no matter where this player lands, he will propose a prove it one year contract and bet on himself.  With a healthy, productive season, he's likely one of the top five free agents in 2020 Free Agency.  

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Ziggy fits McDermotts scheme better than Hughes.  Hughes is a speed rusher made for a wide 9 defense. Ziggy is more of a power rusher better suited for McDermotts scheme. If we land ziggy Hughes will be traded,  maybe kc,Oakland, or green bay.  Buckle up butter cup it's about to get interesting. 

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48 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

I have a feeling this will be the final “big” free agent contract the Bills dish out this year. 

 

I'm hoping for Ziggy Ansah and Darryl Williams to round out FA as big signings.

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2 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

Ziggy fits McDermotts scheme better than Hughes.  Hughes is a speed rusher made for a wide 9 defense. Ziggy is more of a power rusher better suited for McDermotts scheme. If we land ziggy Hughes will be traded,  maybe kc,Oakland, or green bay.  Buckle up butter cup it's about to get interesting. 

 

This is a wild take.  

 

Hughes has been stellar in McDermotts scheme. Heck, maybe he would be better in a different scheme, but in this one he has still been awesome.  Why in the world would we trade our best DE because we bring in another, less talented DE? 

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13 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Really want this guy opposite Hughes. Completes the defense. Then possibly add Ed Oliver in the draft. 

 

Can you imagine that D-line? That would hopefully settle the defense for a few years, and let us truly take BPA every year. (Assuming Allen continues to grow)

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4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

This is a wild take.  

 

Hughes has been stellar in McDermotts scheme. Heck, maybe he would be better in a different scheme, but in this one he has still been awesome.  Why in the world would we trade our best DE because we bring in another, less talented DE? 

 Hughes was getting lots of sacks in the wide 9 his sacks are way down in McDermotts scheme.  Hughes has one year left on his deal also plays a roll. I love having Hughes too he's been a warrior for us. Also need to be fair to him and let him play a defense better suited for his style and size. 

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1 minute ago, Rufridr101 said:

 Hughes was getting lots of sacks in the wide 9 his sacks are way down in McDermotts scheme.  Hughes has one year left on his deal also plays a roll. I love having Hughes too he's been a warrior for us. Also need to be fair to him and let him play a defense better suited for his style and size. 

 

The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high.  That has always been a weird quirk in his game.  I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down.  

 

That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him.  From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. 

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Hughes was our best Defensive player last year, and should've been a Pro Bowler. These are not the guys you let go when you just made the statement that you're ready to seriously contend for a playoff spot this year.

 

Hughes & Ansah as our starting DEs would put us up there with the elite Defensive lines.

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I think they get a se

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high.  That has always been a weird quirk in his game.  I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down.  

 

That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him.  From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. 

I think a second rounder his what it will take.  Green bay has the defensive coordinator when he had his best year.  The upcoming draft is deep with pass rushers. 

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2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high.  That has always been a weird quirk in his game.  I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down.  

 

That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him.  From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. 

 

Hughes always seems to get his hands on the QB, but doesn’t seem to be able to hold on to him.  Maybe he lacks thumbs?  Or needs to use stickum.  

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6 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said:

I think they get a se

I think a second rounder his what it will take.  Green bay has the defensive coordinator when he had his best year.  The upcoming draft is deep with pass rushers. 

 

If we can get a second, I am all for it.  But with only a year left on his contract, at his age, I can't imagine anything more than a fifth.  

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9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

Hughes always seems to get his hands on the QB, but doesn’t seem to be able to hold on to him.  Maybe he lacks thumbs?  Or needs to use stickum.  

He’s pretty good at knocking the ball out of the QBs hands though. I feel like he goes for that first 

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14 minutes ago, 947 said:

Hughes was our best Defensive player last year, and should've been a Pro Bowler. These are not the guys you let go when you just made the statement that you're ready to seriously contend for a playoff spot this year.

 

Hughes & Ansah as our starting DEs would put us up there with the elite Defensive lines.

 

Add Ed Oliver at 9 and omg....

 

Hughes - Star - Oliver - Ansah

Shaq - Harry - Phillips - Murphy

 

Lorax - Edmunds - Milano

 

White - Wallace - T Johnson 

K Johnson

 

Hyde - Poyer

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Just now, nucci said:

we're finally getting talented players on this team....why get rid of one of our better players?

If you can upgrade a player on the team and collect a draft pick in the process (pardon the pun) then you do it every time.

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Just now, Woodman19 said:

If you can upgrade a player on the team and collect a draft pick in the process (pardon the pun) then you do it every time.

I understand that. I don't see how getting rid of Hughes would be an upgrade. The return would not be better

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Just now, nucci said:

I understand that. I don't see how getting rid of Hughes would be an upgrade. The return would not be better

The front office may think so and they are the ones making the moves.  I don't watch other players around the league as intently as the Bills (as I suspect 99% here don't either) so I would have to trust the teams scouts who do it for a living to make that call.

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7 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

The front office may think so and they are the ones making the moves.  I don't watch other players around the league as intently as the Bills (as I suspect 99% here don't either) so I would have to trust the teams scouts who do it for a living to make that call.

Obviously, but we all have our opinions. 

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

But why?

 

If they sign Ansah he should start opposite Hughes. What is the objective to dump Hughes for Ansah?

 

Makes no sense.  You probably aren't getting a 3 for Hughes, and there's a chance that someone signs him to a sizeable deal in UFA next year--he'll be only 31, and Cam Wake just got a decent deal at 36

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It is not like we need the cap space. So I dont understand why we need to trade Hughes for a draft pick - unless we are trading for another elite edge rusher and we need to include him to complete the trade, Hughes should just stay where he is.

 

That said, Hughes always does his outside move and is a bit predictable - so OT can just push him wide. I think if he just does an inside move once in a while, it will keep the OT honest and make Hughes more effective. There are very few linemen who can stop him one on one. I also like it that his penalties came down last season relative to McD's first year.

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anyone saying trade Hughes needs to STFU, not even for a first. He is still a premier DE in the league, and not just a rusher. Stout against the run as well. If anything the Bills need to be extending him for a couple seasons. Can never have too many quality pass rushers, and as far as Hughes, he is the total package. 

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