Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, RyanC883 said: another draft underachiever signing by the Bills. Hopefully pans out like Hughes did. We got Hughes in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Anyone know if he’s in town now? Can’t visit until after 4pm tomorrow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 $14 Mil a year is a little expensive for him in my view... 2 years max with no guaranteed in the second I hope so its easy to move on if he isn't working out...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Can’t visit until after 4pm tomorrow Thanks. I forgot that you can’t make visits during the tampering period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1. Hughes is better, so unless they plan on moving Hughes or Ansah to LE, this makes no sense. 2. Ansah isn't appreciably better than either Shaq or Murphy at this point anyways, so why bother? 3. Clowney is MUCH better than Ansah. Get real. 4. We still need someone to replace Kyle. I want Ed Oliver if possible. Edited March 13, 2019 by GreggTX 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, GreggTX said: 1. Hughes is better, so unless they plan on moving Hughes or Ansah to LE, this makes no sense. 2. Ansah isn't appreciably better than either Shaq or Murphy at this point anyways, so why bother? 3. Clowney is MUCH better than Ansah. Get real. 4. We still need someone to replace Kyle. I want Ed Oliver if possible. How does it make no sense to have two pass rushers? Ansah had 4 sacks in 2 games started due to injury last year. Lawson and Murphy had 8 combined Clowney has never had more than 10 sacks in a year. Ansah has done it twice and wont cost a pick. GreggTX has logic flaws 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Who's older Loarax, Gore, or Ansah?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Who's older Loarax, Gore, or Ansah?? So you think Ansah came into the league a year older thank Lorax and Gore? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: So you think Ansah came into the league a year older thank Lorax and Gore? Interesting. It's a joke first of all. Ironically, both gore and Alexander came out of the same draft class and are born in the same month. Thank you for spurring me to look it up. To answer the question Ansah is older by 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: How does it make no sense to have two pass rushers? Ansah had 4 sacks in 2 games started due to injury last year. Lawson and Murphy had 8 combined Clowney has never had more than 10 sacks in a year. Ansah has done it twice and wont cost a pick. GreggTX has logic flaws Clowney is also only 26 still, and Ansah is... 30 something? Nobody seems quite sure about that. The injury concerns seem a little overblown however, last year was an issue, but Ziggy is one year removed from a 12 sack season, and last year was the first season he played fewer than 13 games. If the price wasn’t egregious, I would prefer Clowney, but if Ansah can be had on a reasonable deal (nothing longer than 3 years with an out after 1-2) it would still be a great move to solidify the pass rush and provides more flexibility on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Update anyone? Is he in town? Sign this man and the free agency period will be a massive win before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I hope he visits here first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I have a feeling this will be the final “big” free agent contract the Bills dish out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think no matter where this player lands, he will propose a prove it one year contract and bet on himself. With a healthy, productive season, he's likely one of the top five free agents in 2020 Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ziggy fits McDermotts scheme better than Hughes. Hughes is a speed rusher made for a wide 9 defense. Ziggy is more of a power rusher better suited for McDermotts scheme. If we land ziggy Hughes will be traded, maybe kc,Oakland, or green bay. Buckle up butter cup it's about to get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I have a feeling this will be the final “big” free agent contract the Bills dish out this year. I'm hoping for Ziggy Ansah and Darryl Williams to round out FA as big signings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: Ziggy fits McDermotts scheme better than Hughes. Hughes is a speed rusher made for a wide 9 defense. Ziggy is more of a power rusher better suited for McDermotts scheme. If we land ziggy Hughes will be traded, maybe kc,Oakland, or green bay. Buckle up butter cup it's about to get interesting. This is a wild take. Hughes has been stellar in McDermotts scheme. Heck, maybe he would be better in a different scheme, but in this one he has still been awesome. Why in the world would we trade our best DE because we bring in another, less talented DE? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 13 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Really want this guy opposite Hughes. Completes the defense. Then possibly add Ed Oliver in the draft. Can you imagine that D-line? That would hopefully settle the defense for a few years, and let us truly take BPA every year. (Assuming Allen continues to grow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is a wild take. Hughes has been stellar in McDermotts scheme. Heck, maybe he would be better in a different scheme, but in this one he has still been awesome. Why in the world would we trade our best DE because we bring in another, less talented DE? Hughes was getting lots of sacks in the wide 9 his sacks are way down in McDermotts scheme. Hughes has one year left on his deal also plays a roll. I love having Hughes too he's been a warrior for us. Also need to be fair to him and let him play a defense better suited for his style and size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Rufridr101 said: Hughes was getting lots of sacks in the wide 9 his sacks are way down in McDermotts scheme. Hughes has one year left on his deal also plays a roll. I love having Hughes too he's been a warrior for us. Also need to be fair to him and let him play a defense better suited for his style and size. The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high. That has always been a weird quirk in his game. I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down. That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him. From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Hughes was our best Defensive player last year, and should've been a Pro Bowler. These are not the guys you let go when you just made the statement that you're ready to seriously contend for a playoff spot this year. Hughes & Ansah as our starting DEs would put us up there with the elite Defensive lines. Edited March 13, 2019 by 947 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think they get a se 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high. That has always been a weird quirk in his game. I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down. That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him. From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. I think a second rounder his what it will take. Green bay has the defensive coordinator when he had his best year. The upcoming draft is deep with pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The sack numbers are down, but the pressure numbers remain really high. That has always been a weird quirk in his game. I don't know that I've ever seen a guy disrupt a QB that often without taking him down. That said, we wouldn't really get anything back for him if we traded him. From the Bills perspective, it just doesn't get us anywhere to let him go. Hughes always seems to get his hands on the QB, but doesn’t seem to be able to hold on to him. Maybe he lacks thumbs? Or needs to use stickum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: I think they get a se I think a second rounder his what it will take. Green bay has the defensive coordinator when he had his best year. The upcoming draft is deep with pass rushers. If we can get a second, I am all for it. But with only a year left on his contract, at his age, I can't imagine anything more than a fifth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Hughes always seems to get his hands on the QB, but doesn’t seem to be able to hold on to him. Maybe he lacks thumbs? Or needs to use stickum. He’s pretty good at knocking the ball out of the QBs hands though. I feel like he goes for that first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) we're finally getting talented players on this team....why get rid of one of our better players? Edited March 13, 2019 by nucci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, 947 said: Hughes was our best Defensive player last year, and should've been a Pro Bowler. These are not the guys you let go when you just made the statement that you're ready to seriously contend for a playoff spot this year. Hughes & Ansah as our starting DEs would put us up there with the elite Defensive lines. Add Ed Oliver at 9 and omg.... Hughes - Star - Oliver - Ansah Shaq - Harry - Phillips - Murphy Lorax - Edmunds - Milano White - Wallace - T Johnson K Johnson Hyde - Poyer 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, nucci said: we're finally getting talented players on this team....why get rid of one of our better players? If you can upgrade a player on the team and collect a draft pick in the process (pardon the pun) then you do it every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Woodman19 said: If you can upgrade a player on the team and collect a draft pick in the process (pardon the pun) then you do it every time. I understand that. I don't see how getting rid of Hughes would be an upgrade. The return would not be better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, nucci said: I understand that. I don't see how getting rid of Hughes would be an upgrade. The return would not be better The front office may think so and they are the ones making the moves. I don't watch other players around the league as intently as the Bills (as I suspect 99% here don't either) so I would have to trust the teams scouts who do it for a living to make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: The front office may think so and they are the ones making the moves. I don't watch other players around the league as intently as the Bills (as I suspect 99% here don't either) so I would have to trust the teams scouts who do it for a living to make that call. Obviously, but we all have our opinions. Edited March 13, 2019 by nucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Why are they dumping Hughes? Was being discussed above that they could add Ansah then move Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, nucci said: Obviously, but we all have our opinions. I was just pointing out what Beane could be thinking in response to your assertion that it's not an definitive upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Woodman19 said: Was being discussed above that they could add Ansah then move Hughes. We need TWO pass rushers, not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: But why? If they sign Ansah he should start opposite Hughes. What is the objective to dump Hughes for Ansah? Makes no sense. You probably aren't getting a 3 for Hughes, and there's a chance that someone signs him to a sizeable deal in UFA next year--he'll be only 31, and Cam Wake just got a decent deal at 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) It is not like we need the cap space. So I dont understand why we need to trade Hughes for a draft pick - unless we are trading for another elite edge rusher and we need to include him to complete the trade, Hughes should just stay where he is. That said, Hughes always does his outside move and is a bit predictable - so OT can just push him wide. I think if he just does an inside move once in a while, it will keep the OT honest and make Hughes more effective. There are very few linemen who can stop him one on one. I also like it that his penalties came down last season relative to McD's first year. Edited March 13, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ansah and Hughes please. Let Hughes play for his next contract next year, could mean double digit sacks for both Ansah and Hughes. Mario and Hughes complemented each other very well in 2014. Be nice to see that pass rush again, and have the backfield to pick passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: Add Ed Oliver at 9 and omg.... Hughes - Star - Oliver - Ansah Shaq - Harry - Phillips - Murphy Lorax - Edmunds - Milano White - Wallace - T Johnson K Johnson Hyde - Poyer 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ansah and Hughes togetha for sure. Get better rushing the passer rather than treading water 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 anyone saying trade Hughes needs to STFU, not even for a first. He is still a premier DE in the league, and not just a rusher. Stout against the run as well. If anything the Bills need to be extending him for a couple seasons. Can never have too many quality pass rushers, and as far as Hughes, he is the total package. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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