YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: A first? Lol. Oh man. That’s just crazy. edit: he’s a great player. If he was on the market, I’d pay him 20 mill a year. Giving up a 1st AND paying 20 mill a year is just a lot of eggs in one basket. It would make our d better for sure, but 1st rd picks are just too valuable. Having a pro bowl talent under control for 5-6 years is too big in today’s league. What did Dee Ford get traded for? I would say it will be something along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What did Dee Ford get traded for? I would say it will be something along those lines 2020 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 We can’t trade out #9 pick this year, hopefully we land Ed Oliver or Rashan Gary. I’d prefer us trading for Clowney over Clark if possible. Imagine this DLine, would be unstoppable. Clowney/Clark - Star - Oliver - Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Trade 9 for Clark and 21. That’s the equivalent point value of pick 35. Throw in a 4th or lower if needed. At 21 you can get Fant or Metcalf or Cody Ford. Boom, problem solved 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What did Dee Ford get traded for? I would say it will be something along those lines 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, wppete said: We can’t trade out #9 pick this year, hopefully we land Ed Oliver or Rashan Gary. I’d prefer us trading for Clowney over Clark if possible. Imagine this DLine, would be unstoppable. Clowney/Clark - Star - Oliver - Hughes Clark is better than Clowney and more reliable IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, End The Drought said: 2020 2nd Seahawks probably want a pick this year since they only have 4. But I think a 2nd or even a high 3rd could get it done. They don’t have a lot of leverage because they need picks and they don’t want to pay him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Trade 9 for Clark and 21. That’s the equivalent point value of pick 35. Throw in a 4th or lower if needed. At 21 you can get Fant or Metcalf or Cody Ford. Boom, problem solved I would do this in a heartbeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I would do this in a heartbeat! I’d do this as well. Maybe throw in a 5th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I would do this in a heartbeat! It’s also an avenue for the Seahawks to acquire more picks too. 9 may be a prime spot for people looking to trade up for QB. The Seahawks can go to 9 and then fall back to like 15 while adding picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Trade 9 for Clark and 21. That’s the equivalent point value of pick 35. Throw in a 4th or lower if needed. At 21 you can get Fant or Metcalf or Cody Ford. Boom, problem solved I'd have to know that Ed Oliver wasn't sitting there at 9 before making that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, SWATeam said: I'd have to know that Ed Oliver wasn't sitting there at 9 before making that trade. Why? Clark is a premiere young pass rusher, pro bowl level player, at 25 years old. Oliver is an under sized rookie. Rookies in the top 10 still bust just over 50% of the time. And even if he has a good career, it’s still a low percentage he will be as good as Clark who is already a stud. Clark plus a first rounder at 21 vs Oliver — Hmmm, pretty obvious lopsided value for us. You get a pro bowl stud DE and premium rookie at 21 or you get just one rookie at 9 where the odds he will be as good or better player at DT than Clark is at DE are low. Not even close, you take that deal and get Clark and the 21st pick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 does anyone else find it hard to trust a man with two first names? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? Obviously because I see Oliver as a game changer and perfect fit for this D- he's a freak. 3T is the missing piece, IMO. I love immediate interior pressure, and that will help our ends as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? Clark is a premiere young pass rusher, pro bowl level player, at 25 years old. Oliver is an under sized rookie. Rookies in the top 10 still bust just over 50% of the time. And even if he has a good career, it’s still a low percentage he will be as good as Clark who is already a stud. Clark plus a first rounder at 21 vs Oliver — Hmmm, pretty obvious lopsided value for us. You get a pro bowl stud DE and premium rookie at 21 or you get just one rookie at 9 where the odds he will be as good or better player at DT than Clark is at DE are low. Not even close, you take that deal and get Clark and the 21st pick. I would like to know a couple things. 1. How is Oliver an Undersized Rookie? 2. No reason to overpay and let Seattle off the hook. They are in Cap issues and have a deadline from their QB coming up in 4 days. Stick to a 2020 2nd, make it conditional that can go to the first if he gets 10 sacks and three sacks in the playoffs in 2019. 3. Seattle has 4 picks in this years draft, and not really a good football team. Edited April 11, 2019 by MAJBobby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Obviously because I see Oliver as a game changer and perfect fit for this D- he's a freak. 3T is the missing piece, IMO. I love immediate interior pressure, and that will help our ends as well. I get that. But Oliver is no lock to be what you think he will be, just like any rookie. We could trade and get both Clark and the 21st pick which could be just as important of a player as Oliver. Clark and Simmons at 21 for instance. Simmons was a top 5 talent before the recent injury. We could have both him and Clark. Or draft someone like Fant or Hockenson, maybe DK or Harry could be there...or a premier OL guy like Ford, Jonah, Dillard. For me, I take the elite 25 year old stud DE and another premium rookie at 21 all day long over just taking Oliver. But I get it, Oliver is exciting prospect 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) Frank Clark would be awesome. I agree that I wouldn't be in a rush to overpay to acquire him. Moving down to 21 is probably fair. A 2020 2nd rounder I'd probably prefer to do. Imagine a dline of Hughes - Star - Oliver - Clark. Jeez. Edited April 11, 2019 by Iamkrgr Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, teef said: does anyone else find it hard to trust a man with two first names? Hell yeah...and I try never to play cards with a guy with the first name of a city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Hell yeah...and I try never to play cards with a guy with the first name of a city. agreed. i lost my house to a man named batavia wentworth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Not worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, End The Drought said: 2020 2nd shaq a 4th and a 2020 2nd would be my offer for clark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, teef said: does anyone else find it hard to trust a man with two first names? What about a guy with two last names and no first name? Are you listening, Bol Bol? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: What about a guy with two last names and no first name? Are you listening, Bol Bol? i can't even wrap my head around this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Some people seem to believe this wouldn't fit Beane's M.O. I don't think that is clear and if you pick up what Beane says in his interviews, when you read in-between-the-lines it's clear that he values the "premium" positions. He absolutely believes pass rushers fit that bill and I would bet dollars to donuts that he is looking into Clark. Clark is a high end young pass rusher and if the Bills were to lock him up you would secure a key piece to the defensive puzzle for a number of years. Swap 1'st and add a 3rd and I think Seattle pulls the trigger. They have to lock up R. Wilson and I think they are open to looking at offers for Clark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I'd send a 2019 2nd and 4th to Seattle for Clark. I'm not swapping from 9 though and I wouldn't ship out Lawson just yet. That's just my 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: shaq a 4th and a 2020 2nd would be my offer for clark. This is exactly what I was thinking also. Draft Ed Oliver with our 1rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, wppete said: This is exactly what I was thinking also. Draft Ed Oliver with our 1rd pick. i would need a shower after that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, H2o said: I'd send a 2019 2nd and 4th to Seattle for Clark. I'm not swapping from 9 though and I wouldn't ship out Lawson just yet. That's just my 2. me too. Oliver and Clark would make our defense elite IMO. Then focus rest of draft on offense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, H2o said: I'd send a 2019 2nd and 4th to Seattle for Clark. I'm not swapping from 9 though and I wouldn't ship out Lawson just yet. That's just my 2. Agreed. This year's #9 can not be part of the deal. But my goodness -- imagine a D line that adds Clark and Oliver, and realize the Bills have at least attempted to shore up the OL and provide Josh some weapons? The D could be an absolute beast and the O should be much improved. This suddenly becomes a team with the potential to make a deep playoff run if the cards fall correctly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Trade 9 for Clark and 21. That’s the equivalent point value of pick 35. Throw in a 4th or lower if needed. At 21 you can get Fant or Metcalf or Cody Ford. Boom, problem solved I love it. Get a stud pass rusher and still have picks in each of the first 3 rounds. If this is doable we should jump on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Pete said: me too. Oliver and Clark would make our defense elite IMO. Then focus rest of draft on offense Clark will make our D elite on its own...we should get him and swapping firsts is the least expensive way to do it. Swap firsts and send one of our 5th round picks. We now have #21, #40, #74, and both 4th rounders still. Trade up from our 2nd to get back into the first...say Raiders at 27 giving them #40 and a 2020 3rd (or use our 2020 2nd instead if we want to trade a bit higher to get someone they covet) Then trade up again from our 3rd and get back into the 2nd. Trade 70, 112, and our other 5th to get back to mid 2nd round pick range We now have picks at 21, 27, and a mid 2nd rounder #21 - Draft Hockenson/Fant #27 - Draft DT Simmons/Tillery Mid 2nd - Draft WR Butler/Harry/Brown (or could go OL or RB) Bills emerge with an Elite NFL DE in Clark, add elite TE prospect, one of the top DT prospects, and a high potential WR (or RB/OL). Thats a home run IMO. And better than staying put and taking Oliver at 9. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 No thanks to woman beaters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Clark will make our D elite on its own...we should get him and swapping firsts is the least expensive way to do it. Swap firsts and send one of our 5th round picks. We now have #21, #40, #74, and both 4th rounders still. Trade up from our 2nd to get back into the first...say Raiders at 27 giving them #40 and a 2020 3rd (or use our 2020 2nd instead if we want to trade a bit higher to get someone they covet) Then trade up again from our 3rd and get back into the 2nd. Trade 70, 112, and our other 5th to get back to mid 2nd round pick range We now have picks at 21, 27, and a mid 2nd rounder #21 - Draft Hockenson/Fant #27 - Draft DT Simmons/Tillery Mid 2nd - Draft WR Butler/Harry/Brown (or could go OL or RB) Bills emerge with an Elite NFL DE in Clark, add elite TE prospect, one of the top DT prospects, and a high potential WR (or RB/OL). Thats a home run IMO. And better than staying put and taking Oliver at 9. I like your ideas about the trades...but I am steering clear of Fant...dude has Zay Jones hands...and ditto on women beaters...meaning, I don’t think we should draft them, regardless how talented- just a bad look for the team. Edited April 11, 2019 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 This could be the big player/pick(s) trade I was looking for from Beane. I agree if Beane can keep the #9 it would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I agree with swapping 1st rounders. We gain a player and don't lose any picks. Like to keep as many picks as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 With this many picks a 2 and 4 sounds good you could still grab Oliver or hock at 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Yeah or swap 2nds this year and throw in a 2nd next year. Next year we have a boatload of cash for free agency so I can love with less picks next year, not this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 I like Clark as a player and he is entering his prime but I generally don’t like the idea of trading assets for a player and then also having to sign that player to a huge contract. Clark in his current contract is a great deal, but Clark making 18-20 mil per year is not a great deal. It is hard for any non qb to be a value making that type of money. What are the odds Clark outperforms the mega contract? Slim chance as it is much more likely he underperforms the contract. Plus, Beane would be handing that mega $ to a player outside the organization and who knows how that plays in the locker room. It’s probably a better idea to reserve the mega contracts to signing your own guys, like Tre White. And the Bills would still have to give up a quality asset (1st or 2nd). That type of asset is likely to be a very good player on a very cheap contract. This type of trade should only be reserved for an aging team that is already a contender and you are trying to squeeze out another championship run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 hours ago, teef said: does anyone else find it hard to trust a man with two first names? No, because he has two last names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Yeah or swap 2nds this year and throw in a 2nd next year. Next year we have a boatload of cash for free agency so I can love with less picks next year, not this year. Seahawks doesn't have a 2nd this year. The only got a 1,3.4.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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