Bils fans the Dee Ford appreciation thread

[Happy]

2 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

Not just Ford but the entire defense.  They just allowed NE auto run right down the field. KC deserves to lose.  Fair and square 

 

It started in the 1st quarter, when KC demonstrated that they couldn't stop the run.  NE saw that and really didn't deviate from this.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Happy Gilmore said:

 

It started in the 1st quarter, when KC demonstrated that they couldn't stop the run.  NE saw that and really didn't deviate from this.

 

They don't have the personnel to stop the run without selling out to do so. They sold out to do so in the 2nd half which meant manning up on Edelman and Gronk when the ball game was on the line. Afraid to say that was never going to work. 

[CSBill]

12 hours ago, Klaista2k said:

 

I believe the win the game if it wasn't for terrible officiating. 

Every major call went the Pats way.

 

Not really, the bad calls, and no-calls, were about even

[Happy]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They don't have the personnel to stop the run without selling out to do so. They sold out to do so in the 2nd half which meant manning up on Edelman and Gronk when the ball game was on the line. Afraid to say that was never going to work. 

 

Which means KC will have to invest in defense this off season, especially the secondary.  They built the offense first, which is fine if that is the way they want to do it; but in the end, they never were going to win this game since they are not a balanced team at this point (weak defense).

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Which means KC will have to invest in defense this off season, especially the secondary.  They built the offense first, which is fine if that is the way they want to do it; but in the end, they never were going to win this game since they are not a balanced team at this point (weak defense).

 

They haven't replaced Donatri Poe or Derrick Johnson that needs to be a priority for them. Sure a better secondary would help but their weakness is right up the middle.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The worst miss was the OPI in the final Chiefs TD drive on the pick play. 

 

I actually thought the Chiefs got the breaks from the officials in so much as there were any today and yet NE still found a way. 

 

 

I don't blame the officiating at all for the outcome but I think you are wrong about that being such a bad call.

 

Pick plays get missed all the time.........they happen constantly.

 

The roughing the passer call was the worst call of that game.........as Steratore said.......you gotta' see it to call it..........no reason to throw that flag in a game where they were letting them hit.

 

Overall I agree that the Chiefs definitely got the better part of the calls though..........if it were the regular season they would have been hit with a TON of helmet to helmet and defenseless receiver hits.   I mean the Pats ran like 90 plays and there were probably 15 or more of them that could have been flagged dirty by that day-late, dollar-short sh*t show of a defense the Chiefs put out on the field.

[Happy]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

That game could've gone either way.

 

Their defense is shot, but when you have a QB and offense like the Chiefs have you are never out of a game. Despite the ***** show defense.

 

Agree the game could have gone either way; the Chiefs could have won.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs have the potential to put up a ton of points as we've seen during the season.  But this fails when the other team can play defense; NE is not known for having a smothering D, but somehow they are good enough when it counts and this is important.  Defense (and coaching) does matter as last night demonstrated.  I don't think relying on winning a shoot out all the time is a viable strategy to building a winning team.  You need to be balanced in all three phases, and KC is not since their D is a glaring weakness.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Following the game, in Bill Belichicks press conference- the devil, masquerading as a Globe reporter reminded Bill that he still obviously needs the deal they struck and it’s nearing soul collection time.. 

[Happy]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I don't either, but they were one 3rd down stop away and a couple of non bone head plays from winning the game.

 

 

 

Yeah, the neutral zone infraction, for one, on Dee Ford was a killer.  Without that, we could be seeing a KC vs Rams SB.  Have to hope the Rams will be good enough, and smart enough to take care of business.

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Agree the game could have gone either way; the Chiefs could have won.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs have the potential to put up a ton of points as we've seen during the season.  But this fails when the other team can play defense; NE is not known for having a smothering D, but somehow they are good enough when it counts and this is important.  Defense (and coaching) does matter as last night demonstrated.  I don't think relying on winning a shoot out all the time is a viable strategy to building a winning team.  You need to be balanced in all three phases, and KC is not since their D is a glaring weakness.

Belichick is a defensive genius, pure and simple.  

 

And he has a very simple formula:  Take away the opponent's single biggest threat and then teach your players the opponent's tendencies when the biggest threat is neutralized.   He does it all the time.   Yesterday he took #10 out of the game with double teams and got burned only once.   Then they put pressure on Mahomes and forced him to make decisions, and Mahomes couldn't find the Pats' weaknesses often enough.  Not really a knock on Mahomes; he just doesn't have the experience yet to have attacked the Pats effectively.   Fact is, veteran QBs, like Brees, also have trouble with the Pats that way. 

 

The other thing that Belichick is a master at is raising the level of play of his team as the stakes get higher.   The Pats played GREAT football yesterday.   It was a clinic.  The team with the lesser physical talent won because they played extraordinarily sound fundamental football.  

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I don't blame the officiating at all for the outcome but I think you are wrong about that being such a bad call.

 

Pick plays get missed all the time.........they happen constantly.

 

The roughing the passer call was the worst call of that game.........as Steratore said.......you gotta' see it to call it..........no reason to throw that flag in a game where they were letting them hit.

 

Overall I agree that the Chiefs definitely got the better part of the calls though..........if it were the regular season they would have been hit with a TON of helmet to helmet and defenseless receiver hits.   I mean the Pats ran like 90 plays and there were probably 15 or more of them that could have been flagged dirty by that day-late, dollar-short sh*t show of a defense the Chiefs put out on the field.

 

I confess I don't actually remember the RTP call..... It was the very early hours of the morning here Badol.... I may have been nodding off or away making coffee to prevent said nodding off.

 

I know pick plays are missed often.... but rarely as egregious ones as that!

[Happy]

10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Belichick is a defensive genius, pure and simple.  

 

And he has a very simple formula:  Take away the opponent's single biggest threat and then teach your players the opponent's tendencies when the biggest threat is neutralized.   He does it all the time.   Yesterday he took #10 out of the game with double teams and got burned only once.   Then they put pressure on Mahomes and forced him to make decisions, and Mahomes couldn't find the Pats' weaknesses often enough.  Not really a knock on Mahomes; he just doesn't have the experience yet to have attacked the Pats effectively.   Fact is, veteran QBs, like Brees, also have trouble with the Pats that way. 

 

The other thing that Belichick is a master at is raising the level of play of his team as the stakes get higher.   The Pats played GREAT football yesterday.   It was a clinic.  The team with the lesser physical talent won because they played extraordinarily sound fundamental football.  

 

Agree.  Plus, he understands the offensive side.  He might be the only coach in the NFL who is adept at both of those phases and he is a great strategist.  It is on the other team to become aware of, and counteract his strategy.  Too many cannot do this, including Andy Reid, who didn't really adjust until the second half but didn't have the personnel to cover Edelman and Gronk.

 

The rest of your post was well said.

[Yav]

Honestly KC running a pick play on NE was funny and even funnier when Billy boy was crying to the refs about it. 

NE has been using them for years, so having one run on them was nice to see. 

 

Officiating in the NE @ KC game had nothing to do with the outcome. NE just beat KC. Every time KC brought in big guys to stop the run NE ran the same passing play for a big gain, and when KC took the big guys off the field NE ran the ball down. 

 

KC didn't have an answer at all and everyone just saw exactly how to stop KC. They took Hill out of the game and held Kelce to 3 catches.

Mahomes just didn't get the job done, he was 16/31 for 295, 50% just isn't gonna cut it. KC needed to get the ball to their play makers and they just didn't do that:

 

Watkins 4 for 114 (8 Targets)

Williams 5 for 66 (2 TD)(8 Targets)

Hill 1 for 42 (3 Targets)

Robinson 1 for 27 (1 Target)

Kelce 3 for 23 (1 TD)(5 Targets)

Ware 1 for 21 (1 Target)

Harris 1 for 2 (1 Target)

Conley 0 for 0 (1 Target)

 

KC should have been attacking the outside. I know the myth is NE has good corners but the reality is they aren't all that good and KC's WRs are that much better. 

[LSHMEAB]

25 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Belichick is a defensive genius, pure and simple.  

 

And he has a very simple formula:  Take away the opponent's single biggest threat and then teach your players the opponent's tendencies when the biggest threat is neutralized.   He does it all the time.   Yesterday he took #10 out of the game with double teams and got burned only once.   Then they put pressure on Mahomes and forced him to make decisions, and Mahomes couldn't find the Pats' weaknesses often enough.  Not really a knock on Mahomes; he just doesn't have the experience yet to have attacked the Pats effectively.   Fact is, veteran QBs, like Brees, also have trouble with the Pats that way. 

 

The other thing that Belichick is a master at is raising the level of play of his team as the stakes get higher.   The Pats played GREAT football yesterday.   It was a clinic.  The team with the lesser physical talent won because they played extraordinarily sound fundamental football.  

Agree with the masterful defensive gameplan, but KC and Mahomes had it figured out by the 4th quarter. Ultimately too little too late, but I believe if they win the toss in OT, it's a different story.

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Agree with the masterful defensive gameplan, but KC and Mahomes had it figured out by the 4th quarter. Ultimately too little too late, but I believe if they win the toss in OT, it's a different story.

I agree, although Belichick always has one more trick up his sleeve.  

 

Kc has better talent, and Reid's a good coach.  Given time, the talent would have prevailed.   The Chiefs wasted the first half trying to figure it out.  

[DasNootz]

10 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

come on, man. Really?

 

It was close,  but far from the incontrovertible video evidence standard which IS the rule.  Think the Bills would EVER get that call in 100 years?

I hate the Pats as much as anyone else, but if the ball had touched him, he would have reacted by going after it.  His initial reaction was to back away like it never hit him, and he never flinched... that with the video failing to show that it touched him was enough for me.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Dee Ford should not be driven without adult supervision.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Belichick is a defensive genius, pure and simple.  

 

And he has a very simple formula:  Take away the opponent's single biggest threat and then teach your players the opponent's tendencies when the biggest threat is neutralized.   He does it all the time.   Yesterday he took #10 out of the game with double teams and got burned only once.   Then they put pressure on Mahomes and forced him to make decisions, and Mahomes couldn't find the Pats' weaknesses often enough.  Not really a knock on Mahomes; he just doesn't have the experience yet to have attacked the Pats effectively.   Fact is, veteran QBs, like Brees, also have trouble with the Pats that way. 

 

The other thing that Belichick is a master at is raising the level of play of his team as the stakes get higher.   The Pats played GREAT football yesterday.   It was a clinic.  The team with the lesser physical talent won because they played extraordinarily sound fundamental football.  

How'd you like to play chess against Belichick?  Not sure I would.

[RiotAct]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  That was bs.  The Chiefs got their fair share of favorable calls too, but that was a gift to the Pats even though Brady through a pick on the next play.  It seems the "clear video evidence" to overturn the ruling on the field call matters to everyone but the Patriots.  See Benjamin's TD last year.

It could've grazed his glove for all we know.  There's no way they were absolutely positive it didn't touch him.

exactly.  There is no way you can definitively say, at least from the copious angles that we saw on the CBS broadcast, that the ball did not touch either thumb.  The call on the field was muffed punt, hence the call should have been upheld.

 

Now, it ended up not really mattering thanks to the Brady INT a couple plays later, but still...

[Jerome007]

I hate the Patriots as certainly most of us on here (doh!), but the review was clear to me. Edelman didn't touch the ball. Yes in one angle it seems to graze his thumb but in another one you can see it clearly does not. By combining the two angles it was clear evidence. 

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

How'd you like to play chess against Belichick?  Not sure I would.

No thanks.  I'd like to follow him around for a couple of days and just listen to him and ask him questions.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Yeah, the neutral zone infraction, for one, on Dee Ford was a killer.  Without that, we could be seeing a KC vs Rams SB.  Have to hope the Rams will be good enough, and smart enough to take care of business.

 

>...THE pivotal point of the game.....he got flagged and Robey-Coleman did not...but surely should have.....

[Pete]

Contract year for Ford too, and he was about to get paid!  Someone will still overpay- every team could use another pass rusher.  But reading the death threat sent to him- that is one ugly side of people.  Holy *****, it's just a game people

[78thealltimegreat]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Yeah but I bet he can spell "BILLS"...

With how far he was in the neutral zone and didn’t even seem to realize it  I wouldn’t bet your mortgage on it 

Edited January 21, 2019 by 78thealltimegreat

[Reks Ryan]

Dee Ford.   All time dumb ass bonehead.     The Chiefs should not bring him back. 

 

Patriots are the luckiest team in the history of the world.   I was getting excited for Mahomes vs Goff.  But now,  having those miserable bastards in the Super Bowl again diminishes my enthusiasm for the big game by about 90%.

[Turk71]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Did you just quote me in a response, then quote me again AND yourself in another response?

Alcohol is a hell of a drug.

[PetermansRedemption]

I’d still want the Bills to make him free agent target number one if the Chiefs decide to let him go. Well, maybe number 2 if they are interested in Le’veon Bell. 

[Reks Ryan]

7 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

NE still had all 3 timeouts

 

So KC runs 3 times for no gain, NE takes all 3 timeouts KC punts and Brady gets the ball around his 25-30 with about a minute left, down 4 against that crappy defense to win in regulation

 

It would not have done much other than delay the inevitable. 

 

People act like that was the game for sure. Far from it.

 

One deep PI and a few wide open completions and NE is right back in the red zone

KC did have other plays and opportunities to win the game.  But the penalty is about as close as you get to 1 play costing a trip to the SB.

 

The interception would have given them the ball on the 40 yard line with 54 seconds left.   Even if NE holds them, which is highly questionable, they likely get the ball back around their own 20 with about 30 seconds left after burning all their time outs.  Even for Brady, 80 yards for a winning TD in 30 secs with no TOs is not happening. 

 

It takes a great effort and discipline to beat NE in the playoffs, but KC overcame the 14 point deficit and had the game.    It's amazing that Seattle, Atlanta, and now KC all had NE beat in recent years,  and then made colossal bone headed mistakes by players and coaches to hand NE a lifeline.    It is sickening. 

[Bfanlc]

On 1/20/2019 at 9:35 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

I think we all are thankful we aren’t him tonight..what a dope

He is an ex-auburn player. We're lucky he can spell.

[TheFunPolice]

Chiefs defense sucked all season

 

Brady still threw 3 picks. 1 didn't count sadly

[QCity]

31 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Chiefs defense sucked all season

 

Brady still threw 3 picks. 1 didn't count sadly

 

The story after the game is the same one we've been hearing for a decade -- Brady masterful, especially when it counts and Belichick is a genius. I mean, it's true, but it really is lazy reporting. 

 

If that last pick counted the narrative would have been completely different. You would have heard questions such as "When's the last time Brady threw 3 INT's in a big game? When's the last time Brady choked on a game winning drive with an INT?  When's the last time Belichick, the master of halftime adjustments, got outcoached in the 2nd half and saw his defense get steamrolled to the tune of 31 pts?

 

Completely different takes all because a guy lined up a 1/2 yd Offside.

 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

It is amazing someone could be like lined up like 2 feet Offside.  Then the odds of that being on a play that results in an interception are like 1 in 200 or something.  Ridiculous.

 

I guess its possible Brady knew he had a free play and took a chance, never saw the replay to know.,...

Edited January 22, 2019 by mattynh

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, mattynh said:

It is amazing someone could be like lined up like 2 feet Offside.  Then the odds of that being on a play that results in an interception are like 1 in 200 or something.  Ridiculous.

 

I guess its possible Brady knew he had a free play and took a chance, never saw the replay to know.,...

If he knew he had a free play he wouldn’t have thrown a 5 yard check down. 

[dave mcbride]

On 1/21/2019 at 1:51 AM, reddogblitz said:

 

except when they do, the Edelman muff, it gets over turned even thougn the call on the field was muff and there was no incontrovertible video evidence showing otherwise.

 

 

The non-muff muff was a clean call?

That wasn't a muff. It was the right decision to overturn it. There was not the slightest alteration in the ball's trajectory while in air at any point. Anyway, they turned it over 2 plays later and the Chiefs got the ball at roughly the same point. They then scored a TD with ease.

Edited January 22, 2019 by dave mcbride

[YoloinOhio]

Reid is upset that Dee Ford wasn’t warned by the ref when he lined up Offside 

 

 

[ILBillsfan]

Probably one of the most dumb founding things to me to watch thee players that have been playing for so many years make the easy mental error mistakes.  there are few of them they heard coaches continually reminding them on plays watch the ball know the snap count DONT line up offside and it is amazing that certain players have issues recalling this.

 

IIRC I think I read he had lined up 4 times offside this year, ughhh

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 1/21/2019 at 12:02 AM, MJS said:

 

Looked like a cleanly officiated game to me except for the roughing the passer penalty for Brady.

 

Yeah, but for me I really didn't like the pass to Hogan wherein you clearly see the ball was starting to come out of his control and was only saved by hitting the ground so he could regain control.  That getting upheld after review was ridiculous.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Yeah, but for me I really didn't like the pass to Hogan wherein you clearly see the ball was starting to come out of his control and was only saved by hitting the ground so he could regain control.  That getting upheld after review was ridiculous.

 

That was a close play. I don't think there was clear evidence that he didn't have control. I agree with letting the play stand.

[Mark80]

On 1/20/2019 at 10:42 PM, Bring it said:

Difference between a disciplined football team and one that isn’t. The Patriots don’t beat themselves. I guess that is the one thing that bothers me about this past season. McDermott couldn’t get this team to stop the stupid penalties! It has to change if they want to playing this time of year!

 

Patriots 6 penalties for 61 yards

Chiefs 4 penalties for 28 yards.

 

Nice try though.

On 1/21/2019 at 11:08 AM, Shaw66 said:

One thing I've come to understand about McDermott's process is that it's about continuous improvement in all areas.  That doesn't mean all areas will improve at the same time.  It means they are trying to build good habits in all areas, so that as new players arrive they learn those good habits - they're built into the team culture - and they build on that.   They keep building.

 

So, I agree completely about the penalties.  I found them very troubling.  However, I think if you could get McD to talk candidly about it, he'd tell you that he's working on it and his team will get better on the penalty issue.  It just doesn't happen all at once. 

 

Look at Belichick, the Pats and fumbling.  Within the franchise the rules are pretty clear about fumbling.  Don't do it.  Belichick has imprinted that idea in the heads of his players, so they don't fumble.   But it took Belichick years to establish the behaviors within the team so the players, including every new player, gets the message and learns.  

 

I hate to say it, but it's a process.  

 

Deflated balls are easier to secure.

[stevewin]

Didn't read the whole thread - did anyone draw penises on his lawn?