hondo in seattle Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Josh Allen can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. There are definitely no guarantees... but we have a lot going for us - The same coaching staff that was the only one of the "bottom fives'' to make the playoffs... And Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Money can't, but talent and team culture will. I have no doubt that we'll add the talent and this team doesn't back down. Playoffs 2019 baby!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jobot said: Josh Allen can. some careers are heartbreakers by a great just not getting a supporting cast to match his talent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Money alone? No. There are lots a teams that max out the salary cap but under-perform. (I’m looking at you Jaguars) that being said, we have a solid core of young talent on this team and the addition a the right free agents, along with another solid draft, can and hopefully will, build the foundation of a team built to make a solid run at the playoffs and beyond for the next several years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, row_33 said: some careers are heartbreakers by a great just not getting a supporting cast to match his talent.... Ya I would say Phil Rivers is one. He has had a borderline hall of fame career of course, but not much success in terms of W-L/playoffs because his team around him could never take it to the next level. (Got called out a few times on this post So to make it clear, I am referring to his overall team including defence, offensive line, special teams and coaching. Not just playmakers he had as he has had great players to throw to.) Edited December 5, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Yes spending money wisely will get them into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. Probably the teams in the top five have a very expensive QB more often than not. I would say that may be the biggest variable because that QB is expensive for a reason. I do agree that if the money is spent wisely it can make a difference but you have to hit on some draft picks every year as well. Edited December 5, 2018 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Smart money can. Don't overpay for "top" free agents and don't sign free agents on the wrong side of 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, row_33 said: some careers are heartbreakers by a great just not getting a supporting cast to match his talent.... I think its safe to assume some of the $80mil will go to support the offense next year. Regardless, if the season started over today, this team looks playoff ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Ya I would say Phil Rivers is one. He has had a borderline hall of fame career of course, but not much success in terms of W-L/playoffs because his team around him could never take it to the next level. Archie Manning Jeff George kept going to teams that incredibly had the worst coach at the time Namath spend most of his career on horrible teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 It's not just about 2019 though. It's about setting this team up for continued success in 2019 and beyond. They can't just go on a shopping spree and sign a bunch of bad contracts so we can compete in 2019. Still have to continue to spend judiciously if you're aiming to set yourself up for years to come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I really concerned with the level of talent this regime can bring in. They have killed it in the draft but their pro scouting must be the worse in the league. I can't think of a single valuable player McBean has brought in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. I think the team will be active in free agency, but i don't think they'll spend that full 90 million, you can carry it over to next years cap and how much new money you add can affect extensions in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. There is a lot wrong with what you just said in terms of the amount of money suggests the quality of the roster. We are one of the youngest teams, if not the youngest team in the NFL. We have a lot of players in rookie contracts, including at the QB position which is the highest paid position on teams with quality QBs in place. I mean we have a top 3 defense, but guys playing big roles are on cheap deals like Tre and Edmunds. Our salary isn’t indicative that we have the “least talent” as you put it, its indicative we have young players. We are far from the least talented team, in fact this team is very talented on D and has some young players on the offense. We add a couple new good OL and WRs and this team is a playoff team that can contend next year. So I completely disagree with your correlation of total salary indicates talent pool level. Edited December 5, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I would say if they invest wisely they can, the key is injuries in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: In other words. Money can by buying talent. Money can buy you the talent. Whether or not that talent wants to show up and produce, that, my friend, is another situation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: In other words. Money can by buying talent. But just buying talent doesn't always work. Just ask the Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: The Bills have - by far - the lowest paid roster in the NFL this year which would suggest the Bills have the least talented roster. Not surprisingly, our W-L record is poor. But what about next year? With the third most available cap space in the NFL in 2019, will the Bills return to the playoffs? Here's what the numbers show. Over the past 3 years (2015-2018), the teams in the top five of active cap spending finished a combined 146-93-1. The teams in the bottom five of roster spending finished a miserable 76-164. 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. In sum, money matters. Teams tend to spend their money wisely and given enough money a GM can usually build a playoff team. GMs without money to spend understandably fail. But there are clearly no guarantees. Money spent wisely - Yes Money spent foolishly - No. BILLS 2019 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap: $196,140,253 Active Contracts: $101,378,106 Dead Cap: $2,997,523 Total Cap: $104,375,629 Est. Cap Space: $91,764,624 Active Players - 34 . There are 19 open spots to fill in 2019. Such a stark difference from 2018 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2019/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said: Money can buy you the talent. Whether or not that talent wants to show up and produce, that, my friend, is another situation. money lets you enter the FA market but so will every other team that cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Ya I would say Phil Rivers is one. He has had a borderline hall of fame career of course, but not much success in terms of W-L/playoffs because his team around him could never take it to the next level. Huh? In '06, he played with a top 5 offense (#1 scoring) and top 10 D. Finished 1st in Div. In '07, his O was #5 in points scored and his D #5 in points allowed. Finished 1st in the Dive. Between '06-'09, they were 1st every year. In '10, he had the #1 O and #1 D. '14 they lost 3 of their last 4 games to miss the playoffs '16 they lost 7 of their last 9 games. Last year, top 4 O, 15th D. Lost 6 of their first 9 games. No playoffs. He has played with LT, Gates, Jackson, now Gordon at RB Face it, in the playoffs, he's a choker. 4-5 record. Hasn't played a playoff game in 5 years. 9 games, 11 TDS, 9 INTs. 85 rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 keep in mind they Bills are near the bottom of "number of players signed' for 2019. A LOT of holes to fill with that cap money. Several more vets could be cut or traded (McCoy? Clay?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Shaq Mason RG from the Pats and Daryl Williams the RT from Carolina. Those dudes will need big money and I think we're going to target both of them. Draft Tyler Biadasz Wisconsin, best center in the country (Stanford has a very good center also, wonder what Harry would think about him) Now you've got a frickin Oline baby. I say Foster, Zay and McKenzie can be your starting three WR's if they keep developing chemistry with Josh. They all get separation and they seem to all be doing well with ball skills which wasn't really a strong point for any of them in the past. Burn some picks on TE, RB and best player available everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobillswin Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Your going to have to overpay to get any decent WR here. Sometimes overpaying is necessary. Then I wouldn't sign one in free agency but rather acquire through the draft or trades. I have no desire to overpay for the likes of Randall Cobb or Golden Tate, who seem to be the top available WRs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Your going to have to overpay to get any decent WR here. Sometimes overpaying is necessary. getting their agent to call back on the phone would be a major first step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Jobot said: I think its safe to assume some of the $80mil will go to support the offense next year. Regardless, if the season started over today, this team looks playoff ready. You live in another dimension my man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Three of the highest rated linemen this year are Ramon Foster, Matt Paradis and Rodger Saffold. We got money for two of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: 9 of the 15 teams in the top five in spending went to the playoffs. In contrast, only 1 team in the bottom five in spending made it to the playoffs - the 2017 Buffalo Bills. I knew there was collusion in the NFL. How else could 15 teams be in the top five in spending? And 9 of them made the playoffs. If I did my math right, that means if we spend in the top 5 we will have a 180% chance of making the playoffs. 9/5. I say let's go ahead and do it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Wo-Bah said: Money can buy you the talent. Whether or not that talent wants to show up and produce, that, my friend, is another situation. We have to try handing out contracts to players who don't just take the money and disappear. This team can no longer absorb players like Mario, Marcel, Charles or Kelvin. It's sometimes not easy finding character players who take pride in their performance. The new NFL is all about "show me the money"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Huh? In '06, he played with a top 5 offense (#1 scoring) and top 10 D. Finished 1st in Div. In '07, his O was #5 in points scored and his D #5 in points allowed. Finished 1st in the Dive. Between '06-'09, they were 1st every year. In '10, he had the #1 O and #1 D. '14 they lost 3 of their last 4 games to miss the playoffs '16 they lost 7 of their last 9 games. Last year, top 4 O, 15th D. Lost 6 of their first 9 games. No playoffs. He has played with LT, Gates, Jackson, now Gordon at RB Face it, in the playoffs, he's a choker. 4-5 record. Hasn't played a playoff game in 5 years. 9 games, 11 TDS, 9 INTs. 85 rating. If that’s your takeaway from Phil Rivers career then you obviously haven’t watched him. He will probably be a hall of famer one day. Just cause he had high ranked defences in the regular season, that means absolutely nothing in the playoffs. He has always got screwed over by bad coaching or poor special teams play, or bad defence in critical times, and sure he could have been better himself at times. Like all QBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Ya I would say Phil Rivers is one. He has had a borderline hall of fame career of course, but not much success in terms of W-L/playoffs because his team around him could never take it to the next level. Yeah, the poor guy had to make due with LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, and a bunch of other schmucks like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 55 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: You live in another dimension my man! Haha idk...This is a totally different team with Allen's scrambling ability. The defense is pretty much already there... they're just going to get better going forward. They're gonna finish the next 4 games at 3-1 likely. Playoffs next year seem very realistic especially when adding some talent on the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: Smart money can. Don't overpay for "top" free agents and don't sign free agents on the wrong side of 30 Pretty much the Rams are doing just that, and may go to a Superbowl because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Oh, l thought this was about bribing our way into the playoffs, my bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Oh, l thought this was about bribing our way into the playoffs, my bad you kinnit do tha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Money spent wisely - Yes Money spent foolishly - No. BILLS 2019 CAP TOTALS Maximum Salary Cap: $196,140,253 Active Contracts: $101,378,106 Dead Cap: $2,997,523 Total Cap: $104,375,629 Est. Cap Space: $91,764,624 Active Players - 34 . There are 19 open spots to fill in 2019. Such a stark difference from 2018 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/2019/ After they release Clay, Ducasse, and Ivory, it'll be $100 million, so 31. One active is a second punter, so 30. They will give offer sheets to all of their ERFA, 7 I think, so back to 37. Of their own UFAs, they'll probably try to sign Phillips and Barkley. Others they may bring back if the price is right: Groy, Mills, Miller, Thomas; if Zo or Kyle want back, I'm sure they would do it at the right price as well. All in all, I think they'll have between 40-45 players on the roster (and down to maybe $80 mil) when they are ready to go after other UFAs... Edited December 5, 2018 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, eball said: Yeah, the poor guy had to make due with LaDainian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, and a bunch of other schmucks like that. Team game I was referring too. If you’re talking strictly offence then for the most part yes he always had some playmakers. seemed to never have much of an o line though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, TPS said: After they release Clay, Ducasse, and Ivory, it'll be $100 million, so 31. One active is a second punter, so 30. They will give offer sheets to all of their ERFA, 7 I think, so back to 37. Of their own UFAs, they'll probably try to sign Phillips and Barkley. Others they may bring back if the price is right: Groy, Mills, Miller, Thomas; if Zo or Kyle want back, I'm sure they would do it at the right price as well. All in all, I think they'll have between 40-45 players on the roster (and down to maybe $80 mil) when they are ready to go after other UFAs... $80 Mil a dozen players ...... averages to $6,666,666 per contract obviously some higher and some lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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