I am worried about Kiko

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Very Good point.  Something is wrong with the guy.  He has many of these.  Edelman too!  Just a plain dirty player trying to injure someone!

Karma will strike- both of them will get theirs.

[RiotAct]

I bet Kelso could still put up a pretty good fight against Kiko!

[MDH]

I was a little disappointed in Phillips yesterday saying Kiko is a great guy. Your guys are in this his locker room now.

 

If you don’t have anything mean to say about a dirty opponent then don’t say anything at all!

?

[Nextmanup]

Notice Kelso's immediate reaction, calling for the benches to clear, and compare that with other recent Bills reactions to this exact same thing, which was mostly nothing.

 

The difference between a guy who played on a team that went to 4 straight Superbowls and dominated the AFC for an era vs. .500 Bills teams I guess?

 

Remember Gronk trying to kill White for example?  Don't remember any benches being cleared...even though they should have been.

 

Good to hear this from Kelso!

 

 

 

[berg1029]

I LOVE Mark Kelso on the Bill's radio broadcast.  So knowledgeable and passionate about the game.  We don't have cable, so when we don't go somewhere to watch the game.. I end up listening to the radio broadcast. 

 

This call just makes me like him even more   

[TroutDog]

11 minutes ago, MDH said:

I was a little disappointed in Phillips yesterday saying Kiko is a great guy. Your guys are in this his locker room now.

 

If you don’t have anything mean to say about a dirty opponent then don’t say anything at all!

?

 

It was almost required, standing by another NFLPA partner, but I agree it wasn’t accurate. Kiko is dirty as evidenced by his play over a few years. 

 

Kid needs to rethink everything. Kyle is evidence you can play with a high motor and wreck less abandon and not be dirty. 

[BillyWhiteShows]

15 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

I bet Kelso could still put up a pretty good fight against Kiko!

 

Not me.  Say what you will about Kiko but he is jacked.  Even in his best shape, and with the super big helmet, I don’t think Kelso could take him 

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

At this point is Kiko even much different than Vontaze Burfict ?   I mean c'mon, even when Kiko doesn't land a direct hit he seems to give that little extra side business that the fans rarely see.  

Vontaze is more talented probably. I doubt he misses that torpedo attempt lol.

5 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

 

It was almost required, standing by another NFLPA partner, but I agree it wasn’t accurate. Kiko is dirty as evidenced by his play over a few years. 

 

Kid needs to rethink everything. Kyle is evidence you can play with a high motor and wreck less abandon and not be dirty. 

Players routinely call out dirty players, so I'm not sure what you mean by NFLPA. He is entitled to the same representation, but not a weak response like Philips gave. I really question the team make up when they respond like that. Good teams don't get the mild response like the Bills do.

[DBilz2500]

Steroids do that to ya. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:

He's a step behind on every play. I can't remember the last time I saw a Bills QB expose and embarrass a player as much as Allen has to Kiko this season. You can actually see his frustration every time Josh gives him the "what's my name" treatment.

 

I am huge and I was always a half step behind quicker players in hoops and totally accidentally trucked a few in my time.

 

That's not to say Kiko wasn't doing any of those three most hi-lited hits on purpose.....

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2018 by row_33

[krf139]

Did Kiko do something to Kelso’s daughter when he was here? 

[TroutDog]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

Vontaze is more talented probably. I doubt he misses that torpedo attempt lol.

Players routinely call out dirty players, so I'm not sure what you mean by NFLPA. He is entitled to the same representation, but not a weak response like Philips gave. I really question the team make up when they respond like that. Good teams don't get the mild response like the Bills do.

People react differently to being part of a union. Some follow blindly and, add in the fact that he played with Kiko, and it’s not too hard to see what transpired. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by TroutDog

[row_33]

 

but we will always have this perfect cheap shot to admire

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

 

It was almost required, standing by another NFLPA partner, but I agree it wasn’t accurate. Kiko is dirty as evidenced by his play over a few years. 

 

Kid needs to rethink everything. Kyle is evidence you can play with a high motor and wreck less abandon and not be dirty. 

 

I don't understand that point about "standing by another NFLPA partner".

 

 

18 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I know it won't be popular here, but ... looking at the slow motion, I'm not seeing any thing egregious about Kiko's hit. Yes, under current rules interpretations it will be flagged. While it's off screen, it appears that he started toward hitting Allen before Allen had clearly gone into a slide. Then he kind of alters his trajectory once it's clear Allen is sliding so that it's just a glancing blow. I'm not so sure what everyone is so agitated about. I imagine it has more to do with Kiko's history than with an objective look at this particular play.

He does have a tendency to take cheap shots, but he ain't Burfict level, if only because Kiko himself tends to shy away from the direct high impact collisions that Burfict specialized in (and that will no doubt result in long term damage to Burfict himself)

 

I hear you, but I disagree.  I wouldn't agree if Kiko hadn't whipped his leg up and back into Allen's neck and helmet.

 

I don't think that's incidental.  These guys are top athletes.  They have the body awareness and body control of top gymnasts or they wouldn't make it uninjured into the pros.

Also, there's the saying once is an occurence, twice may be a coincidence, three times is a pattern.  Luck, Flacco, now Josh.

 

YMMV

[GaryPinC]

On 12/31/2018 at 12:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't understand that point about "standing by another NFLPA partner".

 

 

 

I hear you, but I disagree.  I wouldn't agree if Kiko hadn't whipped his leg up and back into Allen's neck and helmet.

 

I don't think that's incidental.  These guys are top athletes.  They have the body awareness and body control of top gymnasts or they wouldn't make it uninjured into the pros.

Also, there's the saying once is an occurence, twice may be a coincidence, three times is a pattern.  Luck, Flacco, now Josh.

 

YMMV

Absolutely agree with you and further Kiko has both feet planted as Allen has already started sliding and then launches himself low at Allen.  None of it is an out of control continuation, it's purposeful.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Was Allen asked about what he thought of this play? If so, I missed his response. 

[TBBills Fan]

On 12/31/2018 at 12:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't understand that point about "standing by another NFLPA partner".

 

 

 

I hear you, but I disagree.  I wouldn't agree if Kiko hadn't whipped his leg up and back into Allen's neck and helmet.

 

I don't think that's incidental.  These guys are top athletes.  They have the body awareness and body control of top gymnasts or they wouldn't make it uninjured into the pros.

Also, there's the saying once is an occurence, twice may be a coincidence, three times is a pattern.  Luck, Flacco, now Josh.

 

YMMV

 

He got the Brown's QB when he played for us too

[Misterbluesky]

On 12/31/2018 at 12:28 PM, krf139 said:

Did Kiko do something to Kelso’s daughter when he was here? 

I never heard him blow up like that before,It was kind of funny.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

He got the Brown's QB when he played for us too

 

So he did, which the Browns responded to by taking out EJ's knee on the sideline

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Was Allen asked about what he thought of this play? If so, I missed his response. 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-a-lot-of-progress-this-year

about 4 minutes in

 

He mostly gave props to Shady (for getting him out of there) and to the OL for "step(ing) up and hav(ing) my back"

Said he wants to play with guys like that.

 

About Kiko, said it was "sad to see him leave" (said seriously, but ???)

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-a-lot-of-progress-this-year

about 4 minutes in

 

He mostly gave props to Shady (for getting him out of there) and to the OL for "step(ing) up and hav(ing) my back"

Said he wants to play with guys like that.

 

About Kiko, said it was "sad to see him leave" (said seriously, but ???)

Kiko was a great lead blocker for him in the first game.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-a-lot-of-progress-this-year

about 4 minutes in

 

He mostly gave props to Shady (for getting him out of there) and to the OL for "step(ing) up and hav(ing) my back"

Said he wants to play with guys like that.

 

About Kiko, said it was "sad to see him leave" (said seriously, but ???)

I bet it was!

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

About Kiko, [Josh] said it was "sad to see him leave" (said seriously, but ???)

 

Yeah, Josh was hoping to torch him a couple more times.

 

 

[row_33]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So he did, which the Browns responded to by taking out EJ's knee on the sideline

 

 

I saw that as EJ just being a fool as refusing to slide when it was obvious he should have.

[PrimeTime101]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 6:03 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

I know it won't be popular here, but ... looking at the slow motion, I'm not seeing any thing egregious about Kiko's hit. Yes, under current rules interpretations it will be flagged. While it's off screen, it appears that he started toward hitting Allen before Allen had clearly gone into a slide. Then he kind of alters his trajectory once it's clear Allen is sliding so that it's just a glancing blow. I'm not so sure what everyone is so agitated about. I imagine it has more to do with Kiko's history than with an objective look at this particular play.

He does have a tendency to take cheap shots, but he ain't Burfict level, if only because Kiko himself tends to shy away from the direct high impact collisions that Burfict specialized in (and that will no doubt result in long term damage to Burfict himself)

The rules state you should not lead with the helmet. That is the newest rule and its obvious he was leading helmet first there.

Secondly, if you watch closely his own teammate grabs JA headgear/facemask and moved it out of the way, or so did it appear that way.

Also if you look at the replay you could see his own teammate made that Kiko did that and to add it all up he already said a day or too before the game he may do so and if he gets flagged for it, "oh well"

 

it was darn near exact torpedo hit attempt that has gotten him in trouble in the past.

 

I feel that he should be suspended a game or too over this.

[WhoTom]

10 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I saw that as EJ just being a fool as refusing to slide when it was obvious he should have.

 

It was both. EJ should have slid, but the hit they laid on him was cheap.

[BarleyNY]

48 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I saw that as EJ just being a fool as refusing to slide when it was obvious he should have.

 

Actually EJ was at the sideline and should have stepped out a yard or two earlier than he did. He already had the first down so no reason to take the hit. This link has both plays. Second video. First one has Kiko at his best. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000255233/article/what-we-learned-thursday-ej-manuels-injury-was-key

[row_33]

44 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

It was both. EJ should have slid, but the hit they laid on him was cheap.

 

Men on D spend many years out there waiting for a gift like that to take out an opponent with cause....

 

 

High irony with so many cheering on this board for Brady to get taken out with a total cheap shot....

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

Men on D spend many years out there waiting for a gift like that to take out an opponent with cause....

 

 

High irony with so many cheering on this board for Brady to get taken out with a total cheap shot....

 

I despise Brady but I'd never advocate taking a cheap shot at him. I do, however, enjoy watching him get leveled cleanly.

 

I wouldn't shed a tear if someone took a cheap shot at Kiko, Gronk, Burfict, or any other cheap shot artist. 

 

 

 

[Bing Bong]

After Burfict is there a dirtier player than Kiko in the league right now? Gronk's was terrible but still a first time offense. I was hoping Kiko would be on his way out from the AFCE but apparently he's had his best season for the Dolphins last year.

[YoloinOhio]

55 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

After Burfict is there a dirtier player than Kiko in the league right now? Gronk's was terrible but still a first time offense. I was hoping Kiko would be on his way out from the AFCE but apparently he's had his best season for the Dolphins last year.

CBS had a nice kiko montage 

 

 

[GreggTX]

What the heck is wrong with him anyways? Kid has gotten soft in the head.

[reddogblitz]

The Legend's problem is he was born 50 years too late.  He would have reeked havoc on offenses as part of the the old Raiders Warren Wells/Jack Tatum defenses.

[BruceVilanch]

I watched him play at the University of Oregon, he was the same guy back then, he was suspended indefinitely for burglary and played like a douche on the field.

[Chandemonium]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/josh-allen-a-lot-of-progress-this-year

about 4 minutes in

 

He mostly gave props to Shady (for getting him out of there) and to the OL for "step(ing) up and hav(ing) my back"

Said he wants to play with guys like that.

 

About Kiko, said it was "sad to see him leave" (said seriously, but ???)

The sad to see him leave comment was about Mills getting ejected, not Kiko.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Chandemonium said:

The sad to see him leave comment was about Mills getting ejected, not Kiko.

 

I sit corrected, after listening to it more carefully, you are right.

He really didn't say a thing about Alonso or the hit itself, which is fine IMO

[JPP]

Why worry about Kiko?  We always seem to wipe the floor with Miami (Kiko included)......

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said:

I watched him play at the University of Oregon, he was the same guy back then, he was suspended indefinitely for burglary and played like a douche on the field.

 

the 'burglary" wasn't actually stealing anything if I recall, it was getting too drunk to know which direction was up, entering someone's house and sleeping in one of their beds.  if that makes him a permanent scumbag what do you think of Jim Bob Cooter?

 

I think Kiko got dirtier after he left here.  Maybe he's juicing.

[Blokestradamus]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I think Kiko got dirtier after he left here.  Maybe he's juicing.

 

I think the cumulative effect of all the head injuries he's had combined with frustration at the physical toll of his knee issues is just driving this feeling of hostility. It's been clear to me for a while that he's nowhere near the fluid athlete he once was.

 

Jeetz is spot on that Kiko's always had this in him, even as a young man. A lack of impulse control has always been his downfall. For his own sake, I hope this acts as the signal that he needs to retire before either his health or the league retires him.

[row_33]

15 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

After Burfict is there a dirtier player than Kiko in the league right now? Gronk's was terrible but still a first time offense. I was hoping Kiko would be on his way out from the AFCE but apparently he's had his best season for the Dolphins last year.

 

Burfict is so out there they let him walk off with the ball and parade around for 5 minutes in the late stages of a close playoff game, waiting to see just WTF was going to happen.

 

that game was the closest I've seen to a major eruption of crowd riot in North America for my 45 years of watching.

 

still a long ways off from real tragedy...

 

 

1 hour ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I think the cumulative effect of all the head injuries he's had combined with frustration at the physical toll of his knee issues is just driving this feeling of hostility. It's been clear to me for a while that he's nowhere near the fluid athlete he once was.

 

Jeetz is spot on that Kiko's always had this in him, even as a young man. A lack of impulse control has always been his downfall. For his own sake, I hope this acts as the signal that he needs to retire before either his health or the league retires him.

 

it's why i cringe every time Allen takes off with the ball, anything like this can end his career in a second.