Rebel101 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 how does he show no growth? Are we talking a 3 point 150 total yard performance by the offense where he doesn't throw for 100yds? I'll be surprised if that happens. If it does, I think I still go with Allen. He's not going to develop on the bench. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just trust the process. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 This is no longer about this year. You play Allen to get him experience so the game slows down next year. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Then start him in Week 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17. Growth for a QB is repetition, offensive line continuity and getting timing with his WR's, TE and RB's. Target areas of improvement and focus on those areas in the game plan. What I'm saying is don't gameplan to win, game plan for growth and development. Then start the processing of cutting players after the last game, trimming your roster of its current players we don't want in 2019. Take 2019 hits on the cap to get deadwood off the roster (Ducasse, DiMarco and Clay). Build you free agent wish list and draft to fill critical needs. Seems pretty simple to me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Darnold looked terrible in his last start. Should the Jets bench him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Was he supposed to “grow” while he was recovering from an elbow injury? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same Good thing the coaches are focused on the future of the team at 3-7 instead of worrying about whether a journeyman QB who has bounced around the league deserves another start. 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Allen went up against some good defenses and he will go up against another good one with jacksonville. I expect lots of struggle from allen with the next game. After that game, the defenses wont be as good as the others he went up against. I expect him to struggle with the jax game but improve the rest of the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Falso. They never intended Josh to sit the entire season. But I agree, start the hot hand. Barkley played amazing and deserves to start, he earned it. Barkley should be the starter until he starts playing poorly or he gets injured. McDuffus is messing with these young men’s head, which will never end up positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, PittsforDave said: Falso. They never intended Josh to sit the entire season. But I agree, start the hot hand. Barkley played amazing and deserves to start, he earned it. Barkley should be the starter until he starts playing poorly or he gets injured. McDuffus is messing with these young men’s head, which will never end up positive. Wrong focus and he's doing just the opposite by declaring "Josh is our starter" which lets him know exactly where he stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same I really don't think the plan was ever to sit Allen for the entire season. If you're rolling with only Peterman and Allen to start the season and your plan is to sit Allen the entire season...I mean I've let McDermott and Beane have it but even I'm hoping that wasn't their plan. We have serious problems moving forward if that's the level they're at, given the fact that they had a terrible plan in place even with the assumption that Allen was going to start at some point this season. They have to get Allen the experience. Could Barkley play better? Possibly. But he's not a real prospect for the future. We definitely should have had someone like him on the roster to begin with, just a half-decent guy that is willing to try to push the ball downfield and help our WR's develop. instead of throwing developmental games away with Peterman...but the biggest priority at this point is seeing if Allen is the guy. We discuss a million topics on this board about so many players and positions...none of that will matter if we don't find the answer at QB1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, PittsforDave said: Falso. They never intended Josh to sit the entire season. But I agree, start the hot hand. Barkley played amazing and deserves to start, he earned it. Barkley should be the starter until he starts playing poorly or he gets injured. McDuffus is messing with these young men’s head, which will never end up positive. Lol what young men? Edmunds..Milano...Harrison....Foster? Yeah these young guys are so messed up. Barkley played well but the Jets also were terrible. The Bill's have to see what Allen has. Barkley won one game against a terrible Jets team. Allen was the starter and you dont lose your starting job to injury. If hes ready to go...play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same Just because there were comparisons between Carson Wentz and Josh Allen, does not mean they were equally prepared to enter the NFL. And just because Allen hasn't progressed as quickly during his rookie season, does not mean he can't eventually be as good or better than Wentz. The question coaches need to ask, is whether Allen will progress quicker/better by playing or by observing. This was a debate we had when Allen was first drafted. This was a debate we had during training camp and the preseason. This was a debate we had when Allen was inserted into the lineup in Week 2. Everybody has their own opinion on the matter, but there is honestly no way to determine which way is correct. Matt Barkley probably gives us a better chance to win our next game. But at 3-7, we need to be looking beyond our next game. We need to be looking at what is the best method for developing Allen into a franchise quarterback, so that he can be ready to carry our team in 2019 and beyond. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The 100th different title to discuss the same topic. Creative! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: how does he show no growth? Are we talking a 3 point 150 total yard performance by the offense where he doesn't throw for 100yds? I'll be surprised if that happens. If it does, I think I still go with Allen. He's not going to develop on the bench. That's right... no growth. He's still listed at 6'5". https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/josh-allen/ 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Wyo_Bills Fan said: The 100th different title to discuss the same topic. Creative! With a terrible take at that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same Teams don’t spend first round picks on someone they want be sitting in such a critical position. Let me refine that more, they don’t sit unlesbyou have a Farve, Breese,Brady.. hell even a Flacco type talent ahead of him and Flacco is gone after one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Nanker said: That's right... no growth. He's still listed at 6'5". https://www.buffalobills.com/team/players-roster/josh-allen/ What about his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Was he supposed to “grow” while he was recovering from an elbow injury? There are ways to improve without ever being on the field or throwing a football. I would imagine that watching a vet prepare for an opponent by breaking down film and studying defensive tendencies could be a massive help for a rookie still trying to find his way. Maybe it allows the game to slow down some once he does get back on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: There are ways to improve without ever being on the field or throwing a football. I would imagine that watching a vet prepare for an opponent by breaking down film and studying defensive tendencies could be a massive help for a rookie still trying to find his way. Maybe it allows the game to slow down some once he does get back on the field. The injury break should have theoretically allowed for that. Time to get back on the horse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 And the standards continue to slip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same Better to just start Barkley than embarrass Allen. No shame in sitting a rookie. That was the plan in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Why do people assume that Allen will coming in after being hurt and set the world on fire? He’s probably going to be pretty similar to who he was until he gets some snaps under his belt. I also don’t get why Barkley has earned anything. He played a solid game. He’s lucky to be here. That’s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I'm not typically one to reply out of selfish emotion, but I want Allen to start this game and throw for over 300 yards on Ramsey. Then he should give Ramsey the game ball signed by himself and say, "give this to your kids so they learn what a real athlete looks like." So tired of this guy running his mouth while his team sitting below .500...too much? After all that irrationality, logic dictates, and for the sake of the team's future, start Allen. The season is all but over, and you need to get Allen in game reps and starting solidifying chemistry with the guys he will be developing with through the next offseason and beyond. Edited November 14, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Lol what young men? Edmunds..Milano...Harrison....Foster? Yeah these young guys are so messed up. Barkley played well but the Jets also were terrible. The Bill's have to see what Allen has. Barkley won one game against a terrible Jets team. Allen was the starter and you dont lose your starting job to injury. If hes ready to go...play him. Young men as in Allen and Barkley. Jets D is actually pretty good. Im always of the opinion, don’t fix what’s not broken. Barkley deserves the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I don't understand what Barkley has 'earned'...are the Bills not paying him or something? He did what he was brought here to do. He's earned a spot on the bench behind Allen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarg12 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I would rather have Allen starting, I understand Barkley played a good game, but he isn't the "franchise" QB that the Bills are hoping Allen will be. If he has earned anything, its that he may be a reliable backup. After sitting out with injury, hopefully he got to see some areas slow down in the game (not saying it will exponentially) but enough to have gained some growth and build on the rest of the year. They brought back Foster added McKenzie for speed, getting Allen those reps in game and allowing him to get the timing down with some of the new additions on offense, some continuity on the OL, and we see how far Allen progresses going into the offseason and have a real stance on what positions will need to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 What if he comes out flat? Like he was playing before his injury. Benching him for Barkley would be devastating, mentally for young Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: Young men as in Allen and Barkley. Jets D is actually pretty good. Im always of the opinion, don’t fix what’s not broken. Barkley deserves the start. Yeah hes really messing with the head of a journeyman QB. God I hope Barkley can find a way to recover from this...he maybe never be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, Doc said: Darnold looked terrible in his last start. Should the Jets bench him? I had heard a rumor on one of the sports networks(ESPN or NFL) that there were inner whispers happening hinting that even if he wasn't injured it may have been time to give him a breather. but I don't agree with the OP. start the rookie. reps reps reps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same What is your source for posting that the main reason Allen was a high pick was Carson Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Skins Malone said: Yeah hes really messing with the head of a journeyman QB. God I hope Barkley can find a way to recover from this...he maybe never be the same. What’s up with your flippant remarks? #annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: Falso. They never intended Josh to sit the entire season. But I agree, start the hot hand. Barkley played amazing and deserves to start, he earned it. Barkley should be the starter until he starts playing poorly or he gets injured. McDuffus is messing with these young men’s head, which will never end up positive. So you’d rather mess with josh Allen’s head? Instead of Matt Barkley’s head? Do you realize what you just said? This is ridiculous 5 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: What’s up with your flippant remarks? #annoying Flippant? Lol. You’re statement is ridiculous. He was letting you know how ridiculous it was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 54 minutes ago, PittsforDave said: McDuffus is messing with these young men’s head, which will never end up positive. First, putting in Barkley only delays Allen's development. The kid needs to get reps to slow down the game. You have a chance to correct a lot of things between now and next year, and keeping him on the bench isn't going to help at this juncture because the season is essentially done. Second, referring to the coach as McDuffus indicates pretty clearly you're not going to be happy with whatever the coach does. Do you genuinely believe a guy who works his way up the ranks of the NFL to earn his spot as a HC, in a game that only has 32 such positions worldwide, is a dufus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 What good does it do to play Barkley more? Find out he is still a capable backup? Allen can do things and make throws that Barkley simply cannot. He gives the best chance to win and its not close Its not like Josh was an unmitigated disaster when he was playing. Rough at times, but brilliant at others. I didn't think he was a liability. He looked raw but with incredible talent. He starts every game he is healthy enough to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? I understand the sitting part, but I'm confused about the learning part. I'm hoping he was asleep during Anderson's class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: I believe you go with the hot hand and start Barkley. I think he earned himself one more start. I understand Allen is the future but they originally wanted him to sit anyway. But what if he does start and looks the same or worse then he did before injury? He was making some better throws in the Texans game. He didn’t play great but he looked alittle better so what if after sitting and learning from Anderson and all that he doesn’t look any different then what he did before the injury? Do we start to worry? I mean the main reason Josh Allen was even considered such a high pick was because of Carson Wentz and their numbers are no where near the same Did you pass rebel 101? I thought the first week of curriculum was never to worry about anything, much less worry about if you need to worry about something.... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, NewEra said: So you’d rather mess with josh Allen’s head? Instead of Matt Barkley’s head? Do you realize what you just said? This is ridiculous Flippant? Lol. You’re statement is ridiculous. He was letting you know how ridiculous it was I see you like to use the word ridiculous. I think you need to look up the definition of ridiculous... Edited November 14, 2018 by PittsforDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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