If McDermott doesn't start Barkley against Jacksonville he should be Fired

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, tcampbell104 said:

i hope you didnt think they had a better qb situation

After 2 games, no. But like coach, I wanted him to sit most, if not all season. JMO and coach's. Again, that's how I read it. If you don't, kool. 

 

[NewEra]

kevin1778 has an “excellent community reputation”.  We should change the way reputation is measured imo.  That’s ridiculous 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

kevin1778 has an “excellent community reputation”.  We should change the way reputation is measured imo.  That’s ridiculous 

 

...another case of "hanging chads"???............

[PromoTheRobot]

On 11/11/2018 at 3:26 PM, Kevin1778 said:

We have a quarterback folks. Sure the Jets are the worst team in the NFL right now but Barkley throws the ball down the field and is light years ahead of Allen. 

 

Barkley

Allen

Thomas (Emergency)

 

No need for Anderson or Peterman.

 

If someone isn't fired, they should be FIRED!!!

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...six seasons vs six starts is a valid comparison............

The narrative has been that no matter who plays QB, the Bills are going to be atrocious on offense.

 

This is not a Barkley vs. Allen thing. Barkley played well above his ability, but he demonstrated that the offensive talent isn't as atrocious as they've been made out to be. They're well below average, but good quarterback play masks a lot of deficiencies. 

 

Not saying Allen is going to worry about losing his job long term to Barkley, but the excuses for poor play are slightly diminished. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If someone isn't fired, they should be FIRED!!!

Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

[dubs]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

kevin1778 has an “excellent community reputation”.  We should change the way reputation is measured imo.  That’s ridiculous 

 

Hah!!  I think you found a glitch in the program. 

[Tyrion]

LOL anyone who'd want to start Matt Barkley over Josh Allen in a season where we are now specifically playing and grooming they young guys does not know what he is talking about. And can be ignored. 

[Kevin1778]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

kevin1778 has an “excellent community reputation”.  We should change the way reputation is measured imo.  That’s ridiculous 

 

I have an excellent reputation because clearly my posts influence McDermott and all his decisions. ?

[Mojo44]

On 11/11/2018 at 3:27 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

You are ridiculous!

Thank you and this thread should have stopped right here!

[KRT88]

On 11/11/2018 at 3:26 PM, Kevin1778 said:

We have a quarterback folks. Sure the Jets are the worst team in the NFL right now but Barkley throws the ball down the field and is light years ahead of Allen. 

 

Barkley

Allen

Thomas (Emergency)

 

No need for Anderson or Peterman.

Dumbest take ever. The goal is to develop Allen. That’s it! 

[billieve420]

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Why?

 

Is Barkley not a MUCH better vet to learn from than Peterman? Of course he is.

Was Allen benched in lieu of Barkly? No.

Does sitting behind a vet hurt Allen's development? No.

Does it help Allen's development? Many would argue yes.

 

There also seems to be this idea that this season is about one player, and one player only. It's not. To say it is is ludicrous. In fact, it sure wouldn't hurt this team to develop some of our WRs with some actual competent QB play-- Zay, Foster, Ray Ray, et al. Would they develop better behind Barkley, or Allen? The answer seems obvious.

 

I've made this argument many times on this site: You don't build a winning culture by losing. And, this team is capable of winning. Barkley proved that Sunday. Personally, I would much rather watch the Bills beat the Jags, than watch them lose to get Allen an opportunity to "develop." I think it's better for the team as a whole.

 

 

 

Barkley is great now but as soon as he starts losing the call for Allen will be coming from everyone. Anyone thinking Barkley is anymore than a backup is fooling themselves.Then when Allen struggles the call to draft another QB will begin. There is why playing for a losing organization is so difficult. When the results are not instant people are ready to move to the next thing.

 

Teams change from year to year. Winning culture has more to do with building a foundation, a standard, that everyone from the top to the bottom of the organization follows. The wins come from everyone working toward this goal. The first step in building that winning culture is having a franchise QB. Barkley is not that guy so with the season almost out of reach the focus should be on the younger players. What Barkley demonstrated was that he could be the potential answer at backup QB and deserves opportunity to return to the team next year.

 

The more live reps Allen can get the better prepared he will be for next year. Would I be willing to trade an extra 1-2 wins this year to make a leap next year. The answer would be yes I would. If Allen turns into that franchise QB we have been searching so long for would make all the struggles worth it.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 hours ago, Dopey said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalowdown.com/2018/06/29/buffalos-plan-for-josh-allen-makes-sense/amp/

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.com/2018/06/07/josh-allen-bills-updates-aj-mccarron/amp/

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalowdown.com/2018/06/07/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-sheds-light-plan-josh-allen/amp/

 

Definitely appeared like that was the plan.

No, I didn't just make it up and I'm not the only one who thinks so. Guess this is made up too?!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalowdown.com/2018/06/07/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-sheds-light-plan-josh-allen/amp/

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fansided.com/2018/06/07/josh-allen-bills-updates-aj-mccarron/amp/

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalowdown.com/2018/06/29/buffalos-plan-for-josh-allen-makes-sense/amp/

Okay all those links are columnists extrapolating one comment from McDermott about it being a fluid situation and McCarron/Peterman getting to start with the ones at the beginning of Training Camp and adding their own opinions on Allen’s readiness. 

 

Regardless, the Coaching Staff and FO moved Allen up the depth chart as camp went along and he started the third preseason game. 

 

None of it matters, the cat is out of bag, you can’t unsee Allen as the starter and so he’s back in as soon as he is able. 

[Rochesterfan]

17 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

The occasional refrain of "so-and-so should be fired if they don't do something-or-other" is ridiculous, and tiring.

 

Be that as it may, there are quite a few posters these boards-- intelligent posters, whose opinions I respect-- who seem to believe that there is no question, but that Allen will start vs. the Jags, and any notion of McD rolling with Barkley is crazytalk. Other posters are making ridiculous statements like "the whole point of this seasons to develop Allen," or some such nonsense. 

 

I completely disagree. Yes, Allen's development is important. But, I have to believe that McD, Beane, and Pegula still want to win games. In my opinion, the decision on who to start will come down to who will give us the best chance to win. Barkley's performance vs. the Jets was the best QB play we have seen all year (and it's not close), and some may argue for the last couple years. 

 

And, will sitting Allen hurt his development? The WRs looked miles better with Barkley. Wouldn't it help Allen's development if when he did take the field, the WR corp were also better developed? Could Barkley help develop our piss-poor WR group?

 

If McD decides to start Barkley vs. the Jags, it will be an easy decision to make.

 

 

That is a ridiculous statement. Were that the case, there never would have been a QB competition in TC. Peterman would not have started week one, and McD would have said, right after the Jets game, that Allen would be the starter as soon as he was healthy.

 

Barkley versus the Jets: 15-25 232 2TDs - negative rushing yards and no TDs

 

Allen versus the Vikings:  15-22 196 yds 1 TD - 39 rushing yards 2 TDs

 

Might need to rethink your statement.  Allen’s game against Minnesota was every bit as good or better because he did not benefit Shady being available and only had Ivory to run the ball.  Allen accounted for 3 TDs, more yards, a better completion percentage - pretty much every measure was as good or better.

 

Allen even had to do it with the Bills giving KB starter snaps - let’s see what happens with this younger more excited group of receivers.

 

Now - the way I look at it is exactly like McDermott stated - if Allen is 100% he starts - if not then Barkley can start.  The difference is they were close to having to start Allen at 60-75% because they could not put Peterman out again.  Now they have an option and if they feel an additional week helps Allen - let him sit.  If he is 100% and ready to go - let him play.  You no longer have to rush him back to the starting lineup.  

 

I would also also like to see them IR Anderson- so he can still be with the team and help out, but there is no chance he plays.  If you want another QB - go get a guy right now and begin getting him ready, but I do not want to see Anderson play again (and honestly I don’t think he wants to play again).

[PromoTheRobot]

16 hours ago, Dopey said:

There you go folks. Can we settle down now?!

 

"If healthy." That's the qualifier. McDermott could decide that he needs to "rest his elbow" more. This is no guarantee Allen starts.

[dickleyjones]

On 11/11/2018 at 3:26 PM, Kevin1778 said:

We have a quarterback folks. Sure the Jets are the worst team in the NFL right now but Barkley throws the ball down the field and is light years ahead of Allen. 

 

Barkley

Allen

Thomas (Emergency)

 

No need for Anderson or Peterman.

you should be fired, regardless of who starts.

Edited November 13, 2018 by dickleyjones

[Rochesterfan]

15 hours ago, Dopey said:

With a better qb situation, he would have sat most, if not all year. From what I have read, that's the feeling I get. They definitely drafted him with thoughts of sitting him and bringing him along slowly.

Done.

 

I think the coach made it clear all offseason - they were not handing him the job - he needed to earn it.  They started him with the 3’s, but by the third preseason game - he was with the ones - so that suggests the sitting behind someone was less of an option.  If game 3 had gone better - JA would have started game 1 - there is little doubt about that.  It did not go well - so they pulled him back and left him at number 2.

 

Additionally the coach talked about both his time in Philadelphia (McNabb sitting) and Carolina (Cam starting) and saying that both options worked.  

 

What I took away from the coach and those articles was ideally they have a starting QB that allows Josh to sit 4-10 weeks and he gets about 6-10 starts on the season.  It did not work that way, but now he has had time to sit and when ready it is time to get him back out.  He must be 100% healthy though.

[GreggTX]

Barkley is a known commodity and he couldn't make the Bengals roster this year. He has a 2-5 record as a starter and poor stats overall. I'm not ready to just hand the job over to him based on just 1 game. Too many posters here judge players on just a few good or bad games.

[billsredneck1]

i say barkley absolutely should start.   there's 52 other guys that want to win and build resumes.  if they want barkley to continue, you can bet that goes along way with this staff.

 

....and not to mention what if?  what if we run the table and go 9-7?  we have the no.1 defense. think about it.  let's say the pats drop games to minn. / pitt and at miami.

we could beat them for the division by beating them at home in late dec.  a tie then would be in our favor.

 

it could be a christmas miracle!  this season is not lost!  didn't the giants come back from this record a few years back to go to the sb?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

 

I think you start josh Allen if he is 100% healthy. Meaning he was a full practice participatant all week, none of the didn't participate or limited bs. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[CLTbills]

Good god, here we go again. 

You're going to redo your entire QB depth chart over one game? A game against the Jets? And say that the coach should be FIRED if he doesn't do what you want him to do? 

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Sometimes I think certain posters start stupid threads because it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside to start a thread that gets a lot of replies.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Barkley is a known commodity and he couldn't make the Bengals roster this year. He has a 2-5 record as a starter and poor stats overall. I'm not ready to just hand the job over to him based on just 1 game. Too many posters here judge players on just a few good or bad games.

 

I could make the same argument about Allen. He hasn't shown much so far. Now he has an excuse...he's a rookie, and a raw one. Don't forget Barkley was highly-touted in his draft year, and he's not that old. I don't buy the argument that Allen has to start right away. Where he was drafted means nothing. In fact if he really is your guy you owe it to him to give him every chance to succeed. Throwing him out there to see if he can swim is not doing that.

Edited November 13, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[Tcali]

On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 5:58 PM, billsfan11 said:

Fair. But I’m just saying there was a reason he was on the couch. He’s a career backup/3rd stringer

..sure played a great game though...-I do see your point however

[26CornerBlitz]

On 11/11/2018 at 8:58 PM, billsfan11 said:

Fair. But I’m just saying there was a reason he was on the couch. He’s a career backup/3rd stringer

 

The reason was he hadn't been cleared to play until a week before the Bills signed him due to knee surgery back in the preseason. 

[BillsFan130]

29 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The reason was he hadn't been cleared to play until a week before the Bills signed him due to knee surgery back in the preseason. 

Ya that’s true.

 

But he was going to be the Bengals 3rd stringer even if he didn’t get hurt. Jeff Driskoll or whatever his name is beat him out for the backup job

[Domdab99]

Yet another stupid thread with absolutely no logic or sense. 

[Rocky Landing]

Some of the same people who have argued that Peterman was “set up to fail” (literally, by playing him) are arguing that Allen should be put

in the exact same position. 

 

Interesting...

[Codyny13]

First day back after a 30 suspension...I read this..I wish I was still suspended.

[millbank]

There is no argument that the team needs see what they potentially have in Josh and there are now six games remaining and counting . Only the coaches know the dynamic in the room.  I do believe success and effort should not be rewarded by the bench. Yes the quarterback position the most important going forward , but it is a team game it’s about all of them .  Just don’t any of you start crying about him not doing as well as you may think he should . There will be ups and downs . Likely more downs than ups . It’s my opinion he is likely a couple of years away from getting to be what they need . Not so sure what consequence a nothing game in November will be . Hopefully next season the unit he is working with will be drastically changed . 

[78thealltimegreat]

One good start Rob Johnson ring a bell? 

[longtimebillsfan]

I was going to write something glib, but what is the use.  .....this is a ridiculous thread.

[RosenNOTchosen1]

Barkley should start against Jacksonville IMO.

 

What if he has another performance like he did against the Jets? 

 

Only way to find out is play him... We can always go back to Allen later on in the year. 

[reddogblitz]

I would ride the Barkley horse until when/if we lose a game.  Then if Allen is 100% heAlthy, put him back in.

[Wayne Cubed]

On 11/13/2018 at 9:34 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I could make the same argument about Allen. He hasn't shown much so far. Now he has an excuse...he's a rookie, and a raw one. Don't forget Barkley was highly-touted in his draft year, and he's not that old. I don't buy the argument that Allen has to start right away. Where he was drafted means nothing. In fact if he really is your guy you owe it to him to give him every chance to succeed. Throwing him out there to see if he can swim is not doing that.

 

Actually he wasn't highly touted at all in 2013, hence why he went in the 4th round in a very bad 2013 QB class. In 2011 he was projected to be the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft, he elected not to come out that year and decided to go back to school, that year he was highly touted. His stock fell pretty dramatically before the 2013 draft, he had some very average/poor performances in the 2012 season and then he injured his shoulder. The problem was/is, much like Peterman, the arm strength just wasn't/isn't there. He floats a lot of his long throws, that hang in the air.

 

Could he be successful in a WC quick read/throw type offense, possibly. The problem is he needs the players around him to succeed.

[Matt_In_NH]

Said with raging emotions of a thirteen year old.  

[T master]

Don't be jumping the gun like Ralph did with Rob Johnson !! Sure Barkley looked awesome in that game & i can't understand why he was out of work as long as he was but i also can't figure out why Anderson was brought in or why AJ was let go so there are a lot of why's to this years decision making when it comes to the QB's on this team .

 

As it was said by the coach Allen will start if healthy & seeing as he was pushed into that & also that the year is basically for all intense & purposes a loss keep him in & get him some game time reps to see what he's got & by the end of the year they will know if he could be just a back up or a possible starter .

 

Next year go into it with Allen , Barkley & another draft pick or a younger FA to start OTA's & see where t takes us !! 

[Figster]

9 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Actually he wasn't highly touted at all in 2013, hence why he went in the 4th round in a very bad 2013 QB class. In 2011 he was projected to be the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft, he elected not to come out that year and decided to go back to school, that year he was highly touted. His stock fell pretty dramatically before the 2013 draft, he had some very average/poor performances in the 2012 season and then he injured his shoulder. The problem was/is, much like Peterman, the arm strength just wasn't/isn't there. He floats a lot of his long throws, that hang in the air.

 

Could he be successful in a WC quick read/throw type offense, possibly. The problem is he needs the players around him to succeed.

Do you consider Buffalo's O a good supporting cast? because I sure don't yet Barkley looked better in the passing game then any Bills QB I have seen over the last 3 years IMO. Good QB's can make average WR's look good and thats exactly what Barkley did vs Jets IMO. Albeit was just one game, but If you can do it once it can be done again in my humble opinion.

 

I'm curious to see If Barkley can sustain good play because he appears light years ahead of Allen operating the Daboll O. 

 

[LSHMEAB]

12 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

I was going to write something glib, but what is the use.  .....this is a ridiculous thread.

Still a glibISH response without much effort. Nice.

[Tenhigh]

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 11:35 AM, leonbus23 said:

Obvious hyperbolic satire!

Not at all.  In fact, the end was cutoff due to SDS's draconian character limits.  The original read:

"If McDermott doesn't start Barkley against Jacksonville he should be Fired out of a plasma cannon directly into the sun"