Before the trade deadline Buffalo needs to make a couple of moves

[Tipster19]

I for one would be all for us to trade Benjamin and retain something for him. Replace him with Kevin White, who I think a change of scenery would do him good. While we’re at it cash out Shady. I don’t see any benefit in retaining him. I would hate to see Jerry Hughes go but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Bills moved on from him. The Raiders would be a logical trade partner, maybe in some kind of deal for Amari Cooper. Needless to say that if there is playsr(s) that would upgrade our OL would have to be a top priority but I can’t conjure up who that could be as far as availability goes. I also expect some coaching changes as well but that will happen in the off season but is also a need. I’m tired of seeing these B and C tier bargain basement acquisitions that the McBeane has been loading up on aka Taiwan Jones, Andre Holmes, Cadet formerly etc etc. I don’t know if the Bills can get out from underneath Charles Clay before the year ends but there’s another player that they need to move on from. It’s getting harder and harder to stay optimistic with this franchise but they need to start putting it all on the line from here on out. The McBeane had no problem with cutting a swath  through a lot of our former players, now they need to start replacing them with better quality of players. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Yeah, if teams were interested in McCoy, the Bills waited a week too long. 

 

See if you can get anything out of him. 

 

I agree on Clay as well and Benjamin. 

 

You may only get a 5th, 6th, 7th for those three players, but do it. 

 

 

[RyanC883]

10 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:

I for one would be all for us to trade Benjamin and retain something for him. Replace him with Kevin White, who I think a change of scenery would do him good. While we’re at it cash out Shady. I don’t see any benefit in retaining him. I would hate to see Jerry Hughes go but it wouldn’t surprise me if the Bills moved on from him. The Raiders would be a logical trade partner, maybe in some kind of deal for Amari Cooper. Needless to say that if there is playsr(s) that would upgrade our OL would have to be a top priority but I can’t conjure up who that could be as far as availability goes. I also expect some coaching changes as well but that will happen in the off season but is also a need. I’m tired of seeing these B and C tier bargain basement acquisitions that the McBeane has been loading up on aka Taiwan Jones, Andre Holmes, Cadet formerly etc etc. I don’t know if the Bills can get out from underneath Charles Clay before the year ends but there’s another player that they need to move on from. It’s getting harder and harder to stay optimistic with this franchise but they need to start putting it all on the line from here on out. The McBeane had no problem with cutting a swath  through a lot of our former players, now they need to start replacing them with better quality of players. 

 

taking Clay should be a requirement for any team taking KB and/or McCoy! 

 

Getting Kevin White would be a nice addition.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, if teams were interested in McCoy, the Bills waited a week too long. 

 

See if you can get anything out of him. 

 

I agree on Clay as well and Benjamin. 

 

You may only get a 5th, 6th, 7th for those three players, but do it. 

 

 

 

agree.  Get something for KB, let the younger WR's play.  And get rid of Clay's cap.  Replace him with Croom (who is better, IMO).  

[Cruiserplayer]

Ive got 99 problems but Jerry Hughes ain’t one. 

[Boludo]

No one wants these players. They might get a 7th rounder for them. Does anyone want to even take on Benjamin's salary given all his issues? It's questionable.

[BBillsWestCoast]

Not worth trading clay due to cap. Hughes must stay as he is what makes the D-line a threat. McCoy was a yes for a 4th rounder, but won't clear medical now. KB is worth a 5th to me and I would pull the trigger. Amari Cooper for our 3rd is a deal, but his salary next year is $13,924,000. Not sure if he would be a fit either, but I am assuming he is a major upgrade.

[JoPar_v2]

Good luck OP. Only McCoy has value at this point and he’s concussed.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah, if teams were interested in McCoy, the Bills waited a week too long. 

 

See if you can get anything out of him. 

 

I agree on Clay as well and Benjamin. 

 

You may only get a 5th, 6th, 7th for those three players, but do it. 

 

 

Get whatever you can for Shady, KB and Clay.  We need as many picks as we can in order to have any chance of rebuilding this disaster of an offense....this entire draft and fa better go toward offense. 

[Dr.Sack]

A team would have to have a need to get adequate compensation. I believe KB is worth nothing except to possibly Green Bay or Dallas. 

 

McCoy to the Eagles would be the deal I’d make as they are thin at the position. 

 

Eirher way 2018 is over & McCoy is probably not in the long term build plans despite still having speed & cutting ability. 

[JoPar_v2]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Get whatever you can for Shady, KB and Clay.  We need as many picks as we can in order to have any chance of rebuilding this disaster of an offense....this entire draft and fa better go toward offense. 

Hope you’re right. As far as the draft goes, I can totally see this coach taking a DT in the 1st. Almost confident enough to put money on it. McDermott has no clue (as far as offense goes.)

[US Egg]

"Before the trade deadline Buffalo needs to make a couple of moves"

 

Any player brought in to this mess with a short time left on their contract will do his best to get out ASAP.

 

Cleveland is no longer the last gasp armpit stop of the NFL.....it's now further up Lake Erie. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by I am the egg man

[Pete]

Trade Shady, KB, Clay, DiMarco-get whatever you can.  There is a sucker born every minute.     Oliver or Bosa - we might become best D in football.  Hold onto our picks.  Trade down, not up. Stockpile WRs and Oline(4 and 4 each please).  I want 7 new starters on offense minimally.   Some that actually know how to score touchdowns.

[Rc2catch]

Other than dealing Benjamin I don’t see anyone else moving out. 

It’s not like they need the cap relief or anything. 

Trade shady for what a 5-6th rounder? Why? 

Unless he wants out his cap hit has literally zero effect on this team next year. 

Same thing with Clay, he’s obviouly not special but what are you getting for him? 

And once again his cap hit next year has zero impact on incoming free agents. 

Next year is the year maybe you trade some of these guys. We have 10 picks already, so can’t hurt to load the next draft up as well. 

If there’s a market and you can get decent compensation for those guys go for it, but don’t just give them away for the sake of it. 

They got rid of the guys they don’t want, like it or not you’re talking about trading the veteran core of the team this year. Unless those guys are asking to be moved out I just don’t see any logic in unloading them this year. The youth movement is going to play with those guys around or traded it don’t matter. 

[Thurman#1]

29 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Other than dealing Benjamin I don’t see anyone else moving out. 

It’s not like they need the cap relief or anything. 

Trade shady for what a 5-6th rounder? Why? 

Unless he wants out his cap hit has literally zero effect on this team next year. 

Same thing with Clay, he’s obviouly not special but what are you getting for him? 

And once again his cap hit next year has zero impact on incoming free agents. 

Next year is the year maybe you trade some of these guys. We have 10 picks already, so can’t hurt to load the next draft up as well. 

If there’s a market and you can get decent compensation for those guys go for it, but don’t just give them away for the sake of it. 

They got rid of the guys they don’t want, like it or not you’re talking about trading the veteran core of the team this year. Unless those guys are asking to be moved out I just don’t see any logic in unloading them this year. The youth movement is going to play with those guys around or traded it don’t matter. 

 

 

Yup. Some people want change for the sake of change. They want scapegoating because it feels good right now.

 

Moving on from Hughes would make zero sense. He's a guy likely to be able to play at a high level for another two to three years and that's when if plans work out - far from a sure thing but it has to be what the Bills are working towards and expect - the team will need a guy like Hughes.

 

Benjamin has had two solid games in a row. No need to get rid of him especially if the return is low. If he's not a guy they want in the locker room, fair enough. But otherwise he's starting to play well, and with crappy QB play that's not a small thing.

 

Moving on from Shady would only make sense if you get back a real return and with the injury that's not likely now.

 

Savings for Clay against the cap would be insignificant. Haven't bothered looking much at the All-22 after the first game or two but last season Clay was spending a lot of time open and untargeted. Don't know if that's true now but probably. And he's finally cap-friendly and not too old. 

 

It's time people accepted that it's not only the receivers killing the QBs here, that it may in fact be even more so the other way around.

[swnybillsfan]

while it would be great to shake things up a bit right now, i think that this is the team going forward for the year. in my opinion, the process dictates that this year you take your medicine and next year you acquire as much talent, through the draft and spending in FA, as you can. 

[DefenseWins]

36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yup. Some people want change for the sake of change. They want scapegoating because it feels good right now.

 

Moving on from Hughes would make zero sense. He's a guy likely to be able to play at a high level for another two to three years and that's when if plans work out - far from a sure thing but it has to be what the Bills are working towards and expect - the team will need a guy like Hughes.

 

Benjamin has had two solid games in a row. No need to get rid of him especially if the return is low. If he's not a guy they want in the locker room, fair enough. But otherwise he's starting to play well, and with crappy QB play that's not a small thing.

 

Moving on from Shady would only make sense if you get back a real return and with the injury that's not likely now.

 

Savings for Clay against the cap would be insignificant. Haven't bothered looking much at the All-22 after the first game or two but last season Clay was spending a lot of time open and untargeted. Don't know if that's true now but probably. And he's finally cap-friendly and not too old. 

 

It's time people accepted that it's not only the receivers killing the QBs here, that it may in fact be even more so the other way around.

 

Phila may be getting a bit desperate after losing to Carolina. Smallwood does not appear to be the answer at RB. Let's see what happens this week and perhaps next weekend...

[Thurman#1]

32 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

 

Phila may be getting a bit desperate after losing to Carolina. Smallwood does not appear to be the answer at RB. Let's see what happens this week and perhaps next weekend...

 

 

Fair enough. If they can get something for Shady, some real value, I'm for it. As good as he is, he's getting old.

[Fadingpain]

My hope is that we are waiting to trade McCoy to Philly 15 minutes before the trade deadline, to maximize value.

 

That's my hope, not my expectation.

I don't think McBeane are smart enough to realize the value of that move.

 

 

[Seventeen]

Don't think it's any coincidence that Benjamin's numbers have improved over the past couple of weeks with the trade deadline looming and now supposedly Dallas is keeping an eye on him. The thing with Allen last week makes ya wonder if he even wants to be here.

[twoandfourteen]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

Trade Shady, KB, Clay, DiMarco-get whatever you can.  There is a sucker born every minute.     Oliver or Bosa - we might become best D in football.  Hold onto our picks.  Trade down, not up. Stockpile WRs and Oline(4 and 4 each please).  I want 7 new starters on offense minimally.   Some that actually know how to score touchdowns.

 

Who cares?

 

Having a "great defense" gets you absolutely nowhere. 

 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

Don’t get your hopes up that any trades will be made. McBeane has no desire to go 2-14.

[GreggTX]

Let's not give away any future draft capital please. We're rebuilding and we'd have to give up serious young talent for what? To try to 'save' this season? No thanks. Ride this one out and put those 10 draft picks and cap space to good use. Keep your eyes on the horizon.

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Ive got 99 problems but Jerry Hughes ain’t one. 

 

Agreed. We have a very productive Hughes for 2019. Why mess that up.for a late round pick?

 

There's not much to be done about Clay.  The contract has already done it's damage.  $4.5M in salary this year as next  to go along with $4.5M signing & option bonus prorated cap hits in each year.  Nothing to be done about those.  Only the remaining salary can be effected by trading or cutting him.

 

Benjamin can go any time for anything, but I doubt anyone is buying now.  Shady's value just plummeted so I don't see him getting moved either despite his ability. 

[Nuncha]

If Dallas wants Benjamin send him out of here....

42 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:

 

Who cares?

 

Having a "great defense" gets you absolutely nowhere. 

 

 

Bears got to the super bowl with Rex Grossman, and Baltimore won one with Trent Dilfer...Great D can carry you far.  Sad to say both of those QB's are better than what we have on our roster right now.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Azucho98

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 hours ago, Looper said:

Don't think it's any coincidence that Benjamin's numbers have improved over the past couple of weeks with the trade deadline looming and now supposedly Dallas is keeping an eye on him. The thing with Allen last week makes ya wonder if he even wants to be here.

I have have seen multiple folks telling KB where to line up over the last couple of weeks. He's the only one I wouldn't mind moving if we can get some return. I hope the rest of it doesn't happen because if the front office has whittled the roster down to these guys they should go with them. It does not help the culture now to purge assets.

[BigBuff423]

I'm sorry to do this as I normally don't but this is an area that I was frequently crucified for during the last Off-season when I said you trade Shady and Hughes. Yes, Hughes has been good to great, but it's wasted on a year when the rebuild continues. I wanted to trade Shady before the Draft because 2018 Draft was deep in a great RB class and it made the most sense this team wasn't going to take the next step this year. 

 

I banged the table and was nearly run off the board for saying so....but, here we are. Shady, KB, Clay and Hughes should all go, for very different reasons. I'll say this: I've been a McD and Beane supporter and largely believe in what the overall vision is for the long-term (while being frustrated at the pathetic Offense) BUT if McBeane are going to sell us on the whole Cap health approach, all of the above referenced players need to be dealt before the deadline. The team will take a hit with Hughes only. Murphy and Ivory can hold the RB spot, KB has been non-existent anyways and a PS player can't do worse and Clay is so inconsistent, I'd rather start Croom. Get a player if you can, get Draft picks, but shed the driftwood altogether and make the commitment to be a completely revamped Offense for next year. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by BigBuff423

[T master]

2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Don’t get your hopes up that any trades will be made. McBeane has no desire to go 2-14.

 

Maybe he has no desire but i can see it happening with who is left on the schedule if thats as good as they can do against the Colts it's not looking real good the rest of the way !!

[Jobot]

I would just cut Benjamin.

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, Looper said:

Don't think it's any coincidence that Benjamin's numbers have improved over the past couple of weeks with the trade deadline looming and now supposedly Dallas is keeping an eye on him. The thing with Allen last week makes ya wonder if he even wants to be here.

I am nearly certain he doesn't want to be here. The offense he plays on is terrible, and he loses ever more future money every week given the numbers he's putting up. Also, it wasn't like he chose to be here. Carolina basically shipped him off to what he probably regards as Siberia. He can't wait to get out, and he'd probably love a trade to Dallas. I also think he'd probably step up his game there. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, T master said:

 

Maybe he has no desire but i can see it happening with who is left on the schedule if thats as good as they can do against the Colts it's not looking real good the rest of the way !!

 

Six of these last nine games are at home. We won’t see another game with 5 turnovers and 0 takeaways and sacks.

[Soda Popinski]

Our biggest problem has and will be the QB position.   Until we get that fixed, it's just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. 

[ctk232]

13 hours ago, Boludo said:

No one wants these players. They might get a 7th rounder for them. Does anyone want to even take on Benjamin's salary given all his issues? It's questionable.

They're honestly worth more to us on the team than what we'd likely get for them in a trade, unless they are part of packaged deals but then we're likely giving up too much just to offload a player.

[billykay]

13 hours ago, BBillsWestCoast said:

Not worth trading clay due to cap. Hughes must stay as he is what makes the D-line a threat. McCoy was a yes for a 4th rounder, but won't clear medical now. KB is worth a 5th to me and I would pull the trigger. Amari Cooper for our 3rd is a deal, but his salary next year is $13,924,000. Not sure if he would be a fit either, but I am assuming he is a major upgrade.

Amari is bordering on being a bust. Why would anyone pay $13M for that ?

[twoandfourteen]

23 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

 

Bears got to the super bowl with Rex Grossman, and Baltimore won one with Trent Dilfer...Great D can carry you far.  Sad to say both of those QB's are better than what we have on our roster right now.

 

Those are "exceptions", not "the rule". 

 

Sometimes parity wins and teams get fortunate at the right time. 

To put yourself in position to win games and establish sustained success -- you have to be able to score more points than the other team. So, score lots of them.

[Bill from NYC]

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I am nearly certain he doesn't want to be here. The offense he plays on is terrible, and he loses ever more future money every week given the numbers he's putting up. Also, it wasn't like he chose to be here. Carolina basically shipped him off to what he probably regards as Siberia. He can't wait to get out, and he'd probably love a trade to Dallas. I also think he'd probably step up his game there. 

I totally agree and this makes me NOT want to trade him. A tone has been set since Levy was GM that when a player, whether or not he is good (Benjamin is adequate at best) wants to leave, the Bills readily accommodate them. This HAS to change in order for the franchise to take that next step.

 

You see, I just don't care if Benjamin is happy or sad. Same with McCoy or virtually anyone on the team.

17 hours ago, billykay said:

Amari is bordering on being a bust. Why would anyone pay $13M for that ?

I can only guess.....

 

I think that the Raiders ate his signing bonus and Dallas can cut him at any time with no penalty. This would make the deal more attractive but I agree that a 1st was too steep for me, and I think that when healthy, Amari is a very good player.

[Paulus]

They need to trade McCoy for Foles.

[Clyde Smith]

10 minutes ago, Paulus said:

They need to trade McCoy for Foles.

For what! 

[Pete]

28 minutes ago, Paulus said:

29 minutes ago, Paulus said:

They need to trade McCoy for Foles. !

 

 

 

[NFLBighits]

On 10/22/2018 at 12:22 AM, Dr.Sack said:

A team would have to have a need to get adequate compensation. I believe KB is worth nothing except to possibly Green Bay or Dallas. 

 

McCoy to the Eagles would be the deal I’d make as they are thin at the position. 

 

Eirher way 2018 is over & McCoy is probably not in the long term build plans despite still having speed & cutting ability. 

I'd send McCoy over for Foles as you know we need qb help badly, that's if they feel Allen is gonna be out for more then 3 weeks! 

[purple haze]

19 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I totally agree and this makes me NOT want to trade him. A tone has been set since Levy was GM that when a player, whether or not he is good (Benjamin is adequate at best) wants to leave, the Bills readily accommodate them. This HAS to change in order for the franchise to take that next step.

KB is a free agent.  You trade him to get an asset.  They probably aren't wanting to re-sign him and he walks for nothing in March.  You aren't proving any relevant point by not trading him.