Victory Formation Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Much rather go after Amari Cooper. Snag a true #1 for Allen, cost us a lot less than Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Golden Goat said: Yup. blessings from God , McD is salivating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Allen and a 2nd for Carr and Cooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Not even kidding when I say this -- Carr is an outspoken Christian. This might have legs. Oh great.... we need another Quarterback who talks about Jesus more than he talks about reading defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The Bills have to focus on OL players and coach. Giving up a high draft pick for Carr would only get him injured also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The jags should be all over that if they can get rid of bottles deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Wtf! ...Chuckie=COY..............vote early.....vote often.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 9 hours ago, The Bills Blog said: Not even kidding when I say this -- Carr is an outspoken Christian. This might have legs. @SDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I wonder if the Dolphins would be interested. Rumor has it they're done with Tannehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsRdue said: Too bad we aren't going to be in the market. The Bills will never take that contract on. At some point, the Bills will need to pay a franchise QB. A number 2 and a little more friendly restructure would be ok by me. 25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I wonder if the Dolphins would be interested. Rumor has it they're done with Tannehill. Doesnt Tanny have a hefty comtract also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 We need a proven QB, with the young defense that we have Carr would be perfect. Let Allen develop behind Carr and let the better QB win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Gruden will be out of a job before he accumulates 15 wins (might take 5 years) in his return. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike147 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Sam Bradford cost the Vikings a first if I'm not mistaken, though they were "desperate" after Bridgewater's injury. Jimmy G cost the 49ers a second round pick. Derek Carr is better than Bradford, and is more experienced as an NFL starter than Jimmy G. So while Carr is not an elite QB, I'd say he's good enough to command a first round pick, if not a couple of picks (e.g. a first and a second, or two seconds etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 We absolutely need to make a move for Carr, we have been without a QB for way too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 13 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: 2 1sts is peanuts??? Yeah because it was essentially 1 first. Because they got a second back. Which will likely be a high second conpared to their late first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Carr comes to the Bills....McCarron lights it up. Bledsoe Brady all over again. It's fate....very Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 15 hours ago, H2o said: A team a year removed from a 12-4 record was it not? So what? The point was made that this “Reggie made” team is being dismantled currently, yet last year they weren’t good. 15 hours ago, LeGOATski said: 63%, 3500 yds, 22 TD/13 INTS. Yeah, so horrible. The Raiders team is fine. It's all Derek Carr's fault. Those aren’t numbers a similarly struggling team should give up a first or a second and 20 million a year for. Those are numbers that helped a 12-4 team reach 6-10 before Gruden showed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wow what the hell is Gruden doing, it's not like Carr is a total bum , if we didn't have Allen I would be all over this. Broncos would love this, but no happening in division. His best years were under Bill Musgrave who is currently the OC in Denver. Apparently, Carr isn't a plug and play QB and there's ZERO chance Chuckles will let any offense but his own be ran. This will not end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So what? The point was made that this “Reggie made” team is being dismantled currently, yet last year they weren’t good. Those aren’t numbers a similarly struggling team should give up a first or a second and 20 million a year for. Those are numbers that helped a 12-4 team reach 6-10 before Gruden showed up. They're numbers a team with the no QB, the #3 defense, and tons of cap space next year should pay for. Carr could use a nice change of scenery...in a different time zone...with a side of wings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's pretty clear that Allen is nowhere close to ready, so I don't see there being much controversy until maybe year 3. QBs are the biggest assets a team can own. You're in great shape if you have more than one good one. i agree and and all the old cliches that get thrown around like not taking qbs 2 yrs. in a row , or making a move/trade such as this as f.o. taboo are ridiculous. i'd rather have a f.o. that's independent of old tradition(s)....when needed. 16 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's pretty clear that Allen is nowhere close to ready, so I don't see there being much controversy until maybe year 3. QBs are the biggest assets a team can own. You're in great shape if you have more than one good one. Edited October 20, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: We need a proven QB, with the young defense that we have Carr would be perfect. Let Allen develop behind Carr and let the better QB win. Two of the defensive keys, Kyle Williams and L. Alexander are ancient. Not young. Jerry Hughes is not a spring chicken either. "Defense is of average age, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I can see why Gruden is doing what he is doing and that is to clear money for the team to bring in younger, cheaper players. The Raiders have a cap imbalance in that they have 100 million in offense and 52 million on the defense The thing is that Gruden will never be happy with any QB unless he finds a Brainiac who can memorize a 1000 plays so when Gruden calls some obscure play he will know what it is that is being called. This whole thing feels like another Chip Kelly debacle and I don't see Gruden in Oakland very long if that team doesn't win by next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The Giants should get in on it. I mean I guess technically we probably should, I just know there is no chance so I won’t even entertain the thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 They dont have a big enough eye roll emoji for this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, GoBills! said: If we can pay 16 million for tyrod we can pay 22 mill for a guy who does win games, he is very up and down. But allen can sit all of next year as well. I'd send a 2nd rounder all day. You can cut him any time after this year with no Cap issues. not only that, but ja is not having surgery now....and that doesn't mean he doen't need it or will need it in the future. there probably is now, an opinion that he needs or will need it, which would kill an entire year at least. the bills should definitely make a move. it would be nice if derek anderson had a gannon mvp type of year, but i doubt it. Edited October 20, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: not only that, but ja is not having surgery now....and that doesn't mean he doen't need it or will need it in the future. there probably is now, an opinion that he needs or will need it, which would kill an entire year at least. the bills should definitely make a move. it would be nice if derek anderson had a gannon mvp type of year, but i doubt it. On what basis are you making this projection regarding the probability of Allen needing to surgically repair his injury? Seems you are suspicious of the reports that indicate exactly the opposite. Edited October 20, 2018 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 17 hours ago, H2o said: He's worth a 2nd. Gruden has proven himself to be a complete idiot in his NFL return and has COMPLETELY destroyed the team Reggie built in less than 10 months. I would expect Miami to be all over this, maybe the Giants as well. Possibly Jax too The Raiders sucked before Gruden got there too. Carr had one good year and hasn't been the same since. Gruden is still an idiot for letting Mack go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I checked out his contract and it is quite team friendly after this year I agree that it makes a lot of sense for him to go to the Giants.. 100/1 odds of him coming to Buffalo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 If al Davis saw Allen throw he’d give us Carr for Allen and picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I checked out his contract and it is quite team friendly after this year I agree that it makes a lot of sense for him to go to the Giants.. 100/1 odds of him coming to Buffalo.. Its friendlier than it looks because Oakland will assume some dead cap. Like when Dareus went to Jacksonville, his cap hit wasn’t $16M like in Buffalo. It was $10M for Jax. Just about $48M of Carr’s $125M was paid out already. That would leave just over $77M over 4 years. I am not sure on this, but I think that would make his cap hit $19.33M at most. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/derek-carr-14445/ Does anyone know know for sure how you figure out what his cap hit would be if traded? I took $125M. Subtracted the $47,675,000 already paid, then divided the remaining money ($77,325,000) by 4 (yrs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 53 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: On what basis are you making this projection regarding the probability of Allen needing to surgically repair his injury? Seems you are suspicious of the reports that indicate exactly the opposite. well first there was the talk of tommy john surgery and how long that takes to overcome. although it was decided surgery was not needed at this time, the injury to that particular ligament is the exact one that determines the tommy john thing. i hope he has a full recovery, but i have a feeling that it will take more time than stated. plus the fact that it took a second opinion to wave the need for surgery would lead me to believe it was at least borderline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: well first there was the talk of tommy john surgery and how long that takes to overcome. although it was decided surgery was not needed at this time, the injury to that particular ligament is the exact one that determines the tommy john thing. i hope he has a full recovery, but i have a feeling that it will take more time than stated. plus the fact that it took a second opinion to wave the need for surgery would lead me to believe it was at least borderline. Okay. I am taking the second opinion (by Dr. Andrews, the usual expert they go to?) as ruling out what may have been considered borderline prior to the exam. You are taking the initial questionable nature of the injury to be a perduring issue. I hope your more negative assessment is incorrect. I think Josh Allen's current mood and body language from what I have seen indicates a more optimistic prognosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) ....trade a 2nd....lure his brother outta retirement......we could have dual (bumper) Carrs.....signed that big deal and ....whiff.........thinkin' Chuckie wants to sign Gannon.......and Plunkett as his backup....the "Great Train Robbery" pales in comparison to his "$100 Mil Heist"............. Edited October 20, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaz Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 What a strange twist of fate this would be for my Raiders fan brother. He is dumping the Raiders when they move to Vegas anyway but here is the irony if this trade were to occur. At the end of the 1966 season, the Bills shipped Daryle Lamonica off to Oakland. My brother (a huge fan of Daryle) started the 67 season as a Raiders homer. He actually moved to that area (for other reasons) and has been a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years. He is a big supporter of Carr and hates Davis and Chuckie. This would surely help his transition back to the Bills once the Raiders have skipped town! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Okay. I am taking the second opinion (by Dr. Andrews, the usual expert they go to?) as ruling out what may have been considered borderline prior to the exam. You are taking the initial questionable nature of the injury to be a perduring issue. I hope your more negative assessment is incorrect. I think Josh Allen's current mood and body language from what I have seen indicates a more optimistic prognosis. ok i hope it works out. having josh listed as week to week gives me a gut feeling that they'll kick that can down the road 4-6 weeks and by then this season could be determined. just listening to wgr and read the carr thing and if there is the slightest hint that they may have to give josh the year with the headset on, then they gotta make a move soon. i propose sending kb, a 2nd next year and a 2nd 2020 for carr and cooper. good deal for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 12 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Id pick Carr up in a heartbeat. We passed on Carr because we had EJ and then traded up for Sammy Watkins instead of Mack. Thanks Doug Whaley. Every team passed on Carr. He was a second round pick for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 21 hours ago, Idandria said: And if he plays well, expect to see a full TBD board IMPLOSION! As well it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: ok i hope it works out. having josh listed as week to week gives me a gut feeling that they'll kick that can down the road 4-6 weeks and by then this season could be determined. just listening to wgr and read the carr thing and if there is the slightest hint that they may have to give josh the year with the headset on, then they gotta make a move soon. i propose sending kb, a 2nd next year and a 2nd 2020 for carr and cooper. good deal for both teams. Some folks seem to think Carr's contract is too high, but from what I have heard, it is pretty manageable after this year. Then the problem becomes fitting in a 16M cap hit for this year. I don't know how you figure that one out. I think Carr has definitely regressed significantly. If he can return to form, that would be a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: His best years were under Bill Musgrave who is currently the OC in Denver. Apparently, Carr isn't a plug and play QB and there's ZERO chance Chuckles will let any offense but his own be ran. This will not end well. well if he gets his guys it might work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I hears Eli might get traded to Jacksonville. Dont know the credibility of it tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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