EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I get what you are saying but every team has that in their scheme. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Breaking tendencies is a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Oh no! It's a travesty! Someone must pay for the egregious use of Hughes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. You ever hear of Ron McDole; if not he was a very good pass rusher and also grabbed more interceptions than any lineman in NFL history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 He’s really good at it, makes sense. Now if we see Jordan Phillips in coverage, check for the double mint twins in the house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Simple - because Hughes is athletic enough to do a zone Blitz concept to force an offense to scheme to block one way and then bring the pressure opposite or drop extra into coverage confusing the QB. The issue was not Hughes dropping into coverage- it was Dareus and Mario dropping into coverage because they are not athletic enough if the pressure does not get home. Even then teams utilize the zone blitz scheme and drop unexpected guys into coverage all the time - you need actual pressure to make it work though. Under Rex the Bills got little pressure and therefore the zone Blitz packages are less effective. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The D is playing very well, why question the situation? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I've seen Murphy on coverage as well (IIRC against Minny), some plays you blitz the LB and the DE will vacate his spot to defend the pass. Sometimes both will go after the QB. For it to be a problem, maybe, you don't have to like the coach..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: The D is playing very well, why question the situation? Is this not a discussion board? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. Every coach has done that with him since he's been here. He's actually decent at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Is this not a discussion board? But Hughes dropping isn't an issue. If it happens 5-10 times per year, and it isn't hurting the team, why does it matter? Discussion is one thing, criticising unnecessarily is another. Edited October 10, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 You know who used to drop in coverage and do a decent job of it, Aaron Schobel. Hughes dropping in coverage once in a while is a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I agree, I hate seeing Hughes drop. I get the argument that he's athletic enough to do it but just about every good NFL qb will be licking his chops seeing a d-linemen drop into coverage. If NFL qbs have the ability to diagnose all different schemes, they certainly aren't going to be confused when they see a DL drop. They'll most like attack a man who lacks in coverage skills like mariota tried to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan223 said: I agree, I hate seeing Hughes drop. I get the argument that he's athletic enough to do it but just about every good NFL qb will be licking his chops seeing a d-linemen drop into coverage. If NFL qbs have the ability to diagnose all different schemes, they certainly aren't going to be confused when they see a DL drop. They'll most like attack a man who lacks in coverage skills like mariota tried to. To the contrary, Zone Blitzes are an effective change up in an overall defensive game plan when utilized properly. DCs have to vary how they play against opposing offenses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 And Mariota turned the ball over ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. For the record we did not only rush 3. McD and Frazier will send a LB or DB instead and drop a DE (Murphy or Hughes) on these dialups. btw, Hughes and Murphy have played OLB in a 3-4 and can drop as both are very athletic. If Star or Jordan Philips drop, that's a Rex call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: And Mariota turned the ball over ? Not against a dropping hughes. that interception was on a straight 4 man rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: But Hughes dropping isn't an issue. If it happens 5-10 times per year, and it isn't hurting the team, why does it matter? Discussion is one thing, criticising unnecessarily is another. It’s more like at least 5 times per game. Still not a big issue, but he’s our best pass rusher by a mile. I prefer to see him rushing the passer on 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 One time he dropped in coverage on a third and long and the pass was completed to the guy in his zone. We blitzed a cb or safety on the other side but they didn't get to the qb in time. I'd rather have Hughes straight rushing in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Cheesus said: One time he dropped in coverage on a third and long and the pass was completed to the guy in his zone. We blitzed a cb or safety on the other side but they didn't get to the qb in time. I'd rather have Hughes straight rushing in this situation. JMO, but it's also about showing another wrinkle, doing something that's not expected. Murphy dropped against the Vikings and probably should have had a pick. Every play isn't going to work every time. I get the point, though. You're having a player do something that he isn't great at, while taking him away from doing what he's best at. That's why you don't do it often. Was the 3rd down converted? Edited October 10, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. Simple. See Von Miller's interception of Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game a few years back. You don't want to do it all the time, but a good defense will sprinkle it in from time to time. It's not something a QB would expect which can be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Rex had people that were not good at it dropping into coverage. I will say hughes dropping into coverage on third and long is a bit questionable tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I don’t see it as a problem as it is not that often, and he’s quick enough to cover TE’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Khalil Mack also drops into coverage from time to time. WTH are the Bears thinking?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. It’s ok if you don’t understand coach’s thinking. Edited October 10, 2018 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 We have the 4th best DVOA in yards per play on defense and top 10 overall. We've only given up 13 ppg on average in the last 3 games. We're doing things right on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: But Hughes dropping isn't an issue. If it happens 5-10 times per year, and it isn't hurting the team, why does it matter? Discussion is one thing, criticising unnecessarily is another. What's wrong with discussing an issue he has with dropping linemen? It's his opinion. So what if his opinion is critical. It's a discussion board. Discussion and criticising can occur in the same post. You make it seem like he's criticising uneccerally. Uneccerally to who, you? That thought process is rather subjective, as is his post.. In my subjective opinion, the op did not criticize uneccerally. Sorry you feel that way. Op, continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I agree with most everyone here. It's a fairly standard tactic. And, as others have said, Hughes has the physical tools to do it. He didn't quite make it as a 3-4 OLB, but he was close. On the play where a ball was completed on him, he was in surprisingly good position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 You have to be unpredictable, it's fine. The defense is doing great. Here is BJ Raji in pass coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I've seen Rex clap and clench his fist after a good play and I've also noticed McD do the exact same thing. Clearly the ghost of Rex lingers (despite the fact that we just had a game winning 4th quarter drive ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Frazier knows he has to get Hughes into space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dopey said: What's wrong with discussing an issue he has with dropping linemen? It's his opinion. So what if his opinion is critical. It's a discussion board. Discussion and criticising can occur in the same post. You make it seem like he's criticising uneccerally. Uneccerally to who, you? That thought process is rather subjective, as is his post.. In my subjective opinion, the op did not criticize uneccerally. Sorry you feel that way. Op, continue. By unnecessary, I meant that in this case specifically, it didn't really cost the team. If the OP has a problem with it, then it's obviously a warranted discussion to them. I just don't understand why you would criticise something that's really not a big deal, in this case and in general. Hughes dropping in this scheme isn't an exact replica of Mario in Rex's scheme. Maybe my comment was a bit snarky/poorly worded...sorry OP. Edited October 10, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Grummer errorz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Last thing I’m worried about is our defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. Miller , Mack ,Hughes etc all occasionally do it . I remember the 3rd down you're speaking of and i was a lil frustrated but it was actually good coverage and you gotta mix it up and drop ur best pass rusher sometimes. Again, i only saw this once all year with Hughes, I'm sure he has dropped more but Rex had him and Super Mario dropping a ton for 2 guys coming off double digit sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: By unnecessary, I meant that in this case specifically, it didn't really cost the team. If the OP has a problem with it, then it's obviously a warrented discussion to them. I just don't understand why you would criticise something that's really not a big deal, in this case and in general. Hughes dropping in this scheme isn't an exact replica of Mario in Rex's scheme. Maybe my comment was a but snarky/poorly worded...sorry OP. Maybe It's me. I'm getting ready to be hit by hurricane Michael(Tallahasse) and feeling anxious. 3 dogs and a cat will be hunkering down with me. Hurricane or snow for months: I am really debating after 26 yrs here. That'd be a good poll. Edited October 10, 2018 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Jerry just does it and doesn’t complain about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, Dopey said: Maybe It's me. I'm getting ready to be hit by hurricane Michael(Tallahasse) and feeling anxious. 3 dogs and a cat will be hunkering down with me. Hurricane or snow for months: I am really debating after 26 yrs here. That'd be a good poll. Stay safe! My brother in law came in from Destin last night. Mandatory evac there. I'm in DeLand (working in Winter Garden area today; eerie feel outside). Irma and Matthew were close calls but could have been much worse. 2004 OTOH was something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. You dont get it because you dont have a solid grasp on defensive concepts and schemes. The Bills do not blitz a lot, but instesd use simulated pressure quite a bit. They threaten Double A gap blitzes and drop out, they blitz a corner or safety and have Hughes drop out into coverage, they usually rush 4 players but its not always the 4 you think are coming. That causes confusion and blocking assignment errors by the offense. It also allows them to play coverage behind it with 7 players. So yes, there will be times when Hughes drops into coverage. Why? Because to truly be effective the scheme has to have players coming from all over. If Hughes always is rushing then the scheme becomes less effective overall since the offense can always account for what he will be doing. This is not just a Bills thing. Most teams run some version of a zone blitz, some more than others and in different ways but let's not pretend this is something we are the only ones running. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Stay safe! My brother in law came in from Destin last night. Mandatory evac there. I'm in DeLand (working in Winter Garden area today; eerie feel outside). Irma and Matthew were close calls but could have been much worse. 2004 OTOH was something else. I worked for Florida emergency management at the time. I remember. Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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