Mat68 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Look at Goff, look at Trubisky. Both played similar to what Allen has done and have both improved in year 2 with better weapons around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: That's my take here. It seems like people are setting up this idea that we're gonna have to wait YEARS before we know what we have with Allen. If we start seeing progress, we're all gonna be happy. That doesn't mean he's gonna light the league on fire. A)He's a rookie. B) The supporting cast is not good. That does not mean we'll have zero clue about Allen if he doesn't show signs of progress. At some point, if it doesn't work, we'll have to look elsewhere. That may be a ways off, but it's not 2025. Its not going to take 3 years. The Bills will know after year 2 at the latest, especially if he’s starting. If there’s not enough improvement it puts McDermott and Beane on the hot seat. They’ll make a move to save their jobs. 35 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Good luck with that Barring some kind of meltdown hes going to be here for years to come. Goff was horrible year one and turned it around. Bradshaw was awful for years. He's a smart guy, the pre snap stuff and knowing where to go with the football is going to get better. Bradshaw is a horrible example. Coaches in the NFL could lose for years and still keep a job. You get 4 years in the NFL, maybe 3. QB’s get less time. Edited October 10, 2018 by GreatComeback 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hey he’s 2-2 as the starter, not good but not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Hey he’s 2-2 as the starter, not good but not great. The Bills are 2-2 with him as the starting QB, but that's not what we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Hey he’s 2-2 as the starter, not good but not great. Wins are not a QB stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Trade.mccoy for foles and hope foles can start for 2-4 years. Allen needs the Rodgers treatment bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) for a reference as to Cast See page 13 the output is not much "worse" than 2016 and 2017 It’s confirmed: Zay Jones is the biggest bust in living memory 2017 Season 2018 5 games player total avg/g player total avg/g Clay 558 34.88 Zay 164 32.80 Shady 448 28.00 KB 103 20.60 Thompson 430 26.88 Ivory 100 20.00 O'Leary 322 20.13 Clay 99 19.80 Zay 316 19.75 Croom 73 14.60 Shady 64 12.80 Edited October 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 20 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Keep hanging your hat on he's a rookie and rookies make mistakes. That's true but he's doing simple things really poorly. A better run organization would've tried to put him in a better position. Don’t say that.. Put your rose colored glasses on and say something good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Don’t say that.. Put your rose colored glasses on and say something good I feel bad for the kid. He shouldn't be playing. His weapons aren't good enough to overcome his many deficiencies and we're trusting Brian Daboll and David Culley to turn him into a good QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 hours ago, Mat68 said: Look at Goff, look at Trubisky. Both played similar to what Allen has done and have both improved in year 2 with better weapons around them. Both teams dumped the previous hc to get the most out of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This just in.... rookie qb josh Allen is struggling and it’s not just his supporting cast. Even Aaron Rodgers didn’t look so hot in his limited rookie action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This just in.... rookie qb josh Allen is struggling and it’s not just his supporting cast. Even Aaron Rodgers didn’t look so hot in his limited rookie action. or Aichman, or Manning, or ............ And remind me ---- Why did SD let Brees go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Decent podcast. Essentially they think accuracy is impossible to correct, which doesn’t bode well for Allen. They do mention that Allen may have a lot less reps than his contemporaries, so maybe there is hope, but they don’t seem optimistic. A good point made in the podcast, what QB has ever really improved their accuracy in the league? The only answer they could muster was Aaron Brooks, which again lends itself to Allen being SOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Mental masturbation. Get back to me at this time next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/09/josh-allens-struggles-go-beyond-lackluster-supporting-cast/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidiehard Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Watching that low throw to Benjamin on the crossing route has be thinking that it was Benjamin who was too deep. He runs a crossing route at 18 yards which I would think needs to be at 15 or 20. If its 15 then the ball would have hit him right in the chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The miss to Jones over the middle was vey Taylor like. Allen seemed to rooster and wanted to throw it but maybe thought if he stepped into it the defender would hit his legs?? as that defender was very fast jet speeding into him. Or did not want to throw across his body and have a TO at that point. Hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 25 minutes ago, Calidiehard said: Watching that low throw to Benjamin on the crossing route has be thinking that it was Benjamin who was too deep. He runs a crossing route at 18 yards which I would think needs to be at 15 or 20. If its 15 then the ball would have hit him right in the chest. Hits him in the chest then hits the ground as Josh was just trying to help him use his hands more.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 These things are all too familiar for those of us around these boards who have critiqued Allen thus far, and have drawn comparisons from his collegiate days. The Bills made a huge mistake trading up to draft a HUGE project player. They could have drafted Rosen, who is much more of a pure passer and more polished or they could have gotten more aggressive and went after Darnold or Mayfield. PS... We could have taken Mahomes last year as well. If there is one thing I have ZERO trust in from this regime, it's their ability to select Qb talent or develop it. It's been debacle after debacle from the word go. I'll state my opinion again, and happily eat crow if proven wrong, Allen is a mistake and will bust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 While I agree with some of his issues and weaknesses mentioned in the article, it's so hard to really evaluate a player based on stats alone. Seriously, his WRs have dropped long passes, TD passes, and this last INT wasn't on him. Now, all QBs have dropped passes but he's had more, and at critical times. His stats would obviously look better. And then you just add a few long passes and 80-120 yards become 200+ yards and it's the same damn QB! Exactly the same guy. Just that a better supporting cast would allow some of those long passes that we all know he can throw. He has made very little dumb mistakes for all his shortcomings. So add experience, quicker reads, good wideouts to throw to and suddenly he's a top tier QB! Maybe not top 5 but way good enough to lead a NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, TwistofFate said: These things are all too familiar for those of us around these boards who have critiqued Allen thus far, and have drawn comparisons from his collegiate days. The Bills made a huge mistake trading up to draft a HUGE project player. They could have drafted Rosen, who is much more of a pure passer and more polished or they could have gotten more aggressive and went after Darnold or Mayfield. PS... We could have taken Mahomes last year as well. If there is one thing I have ZERO trust in from this regime, it's their ability to select Qb talent or develop it. It's been debacle after debacle from the word go. I'll state my opinion again, and happily eat crow if proven wrong, Allen is a mistake and will bust. This regime is 2 fricken years in Jesus where do you ppl come from 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: These things are all too familiar for those of us around these boards who have critiqued Allen thus far, and have drawn comparisons from his collegiate days. The Bills made a huge mistake trading up to draft a HUGE project player. They could have drafted Rosen, who is much more of a pure passer and more polished or they could have gotten more aggressive and went after Darnold or Mayfield. PS... We could have taken Mahomes last year as well. If there is one thing I have ZERO trust in from this regime, it's their ability to select Qb talent or develop it. It's been debacle after debacle from the word go. I'll state my opinion again, and happily eat crow if proven wrong, Allen is a mistake and will bust. Said I agree. 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This regime is 2 fricken years in Jesus where do you ppl come from Seriously?? Allen alone should be enough. Add in Peterman and McCaron and they are 0 for 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, peterpan said: Said I agree. Seriously?? Allen alone should be enough. Add in Peterman and McCaron and they are 0 for 3 So one season one with a qb that is 5 games in this is a joke right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: So one season one with a qb that is 5 games in this is a joke right? Pretty ridiculous stuff around here lately. Well...always, really. But it seems extra heavy these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 This is no surprise, having the supporting cast he has just makes it harder for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Daboll isn't helping either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Chris66 said: Both teams dumped the previous hc to get the most out of them. If the offense doesnt improve he could meet a similar fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Someone bootlegged a thread??? tsk tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mat68 said: If the offense doesnt improve he could meet a similar fate. How many sticks of dynamite does it take? MCD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE In his first year.....as a first year head coach he took a rebiulding team to the playoffs in his second year....in the middle of a rebiuld.....the team is 2-3 with wins over a supposid Super Bowl contender and the leader of a NFL Division He defense is playing lights out MCD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) The Draft Network???? Cmon man! Edited October 10, 2018 by wppete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: How many sticks of dynamite does it take? MCD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE In his first year.....as a first year head coach he took a rebiulding team to the playoffs in his second year....in the middle of a rebiuld.....the team is 2-3 with wins over a supposid Super Bowl contender and the leader of a NFL Division He defense is playing lights out MCD IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE In an Offensive league if Allen doesn't show progress and Buffalo flounders down the stretch it would be a possibility. Likely? Probably not but who saw John Fox, Lovie Smith, or Jeff Fisher being blown out for similar performances and outcomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mat68 said: In an Offensive league if Allen doesn't show progress and Buffalo flounders down the stretch it would be a possibility. Likely? Probably not but who saw John Fox, Lovie Smith, or Jeff Fisher being blown out for similar performances and outcomes? McD is literally safe for the next two years......I would bet my house on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: McD is literally safe for the next two years......I would bet my house on it This team cannot afford to dump another HC or GM this quickly. Marrone, Rex, Whaley, the Polian stuff; in addition to the atrocious Sabres moves, the Pegulas are stuck with these guys for at least next season unless next season is an utter disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Reed83HOF said: This team cannot afford to dump another HC or GM this quickly. Marrone, Rex, Whaley, the Polian stuff; in addition to the atrocious Sabres moves, the Pegulas are stuck with these guys for at least next season unless next season is an utter disaster. Right....and what would anyone (except the punchbowl pissers around here) gives you reason to believe that it would be.... Subpar Offensive line Worst wide receiver group in the league Rookie raw QB Yet through all that 2-3 through the first quarter turn of the season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Mat68 said: In an Offensive league if Allen doesn't show progress and Buffalo flounders down the stretch it would be a possibility. Likely? Probably not but who saw John Fox, Lovie Smith, or Jeff Fisher being blown out for similar performances and outcomes? I get your point and we do need to see improvements as the season progresses. Many greats started 1-13 look at Goff. Not great season 1 and now he’s 5-0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I think the Illuminati are Patriots fans. They are holding the Bills back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 9:59 AM, HappyDays said: Don't shoot the messenger. https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/10/09/josh-allens-struggles-go-beyond-lackluster-supporting-cast/ Think this guy ate paint chips as a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Right....and what would anyone (except the punchbowl pissers around here) gives you reason to believe that it would be.... Subpar Offensive line Worst wide receiver group in the league Rookie raw QB Yet through all that 2-3 through the first quarter turn of the season Do you consider the bolded parts feathers in Beane's cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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