Are Mcdermott and Beane the worst group to run the bills since pollian ?

[baskingridgebillsfan]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I guess you got a sampling of what other people think of your opinion. Time will tell. 

if i worried about other thought i would be the object failure that most of them are 

[KD in CA]

7 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

truth hurts . Passing on Mahomes and having the worst team in the league is not a great way to start off. 

 

Does it?  Does being the worst poster since LSI really hurt?  Don't take it so seriously, you don't seem very bright so it shouldn't be that much of a surprise.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

if i worried about other thought i would be the object failure that most of them are 

 

Did you mean abject? 

 

 

How about capitalization or punctuation? I’m not a perfectionist, but a little effort is appreciated. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Augie

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

Does it?  Does being the worst poster since LSI really hurt?  Don't take it so seriously, you don't seem very bright so it shouldn't be that much of a surprise.

again a personal attack.   Instead of debating facts you attack me.  Why ?  

[KD in CA]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

again a personal attack.   Instead of debating facts you attack me.  Why ?  

 

Because you're an idiot.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

7 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

  god and guns ? 

have you ever been to Western NY?

11 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

again you should google /  not much backwoods in the entite state of New jersey by the way.  fairly progressive state 

the one guy I know from NJ lives in the "garden" part and is an avid hunter and outdoorsman.

[Augie]

BROWNS WIN! BROWNS WIN! Let us rejoice and drop the negativity! 

[TakeYouToTasker]

I've got to say, this thread really has the potential to see the OP spiral into full-meltdown mode.

 

So far he only gets a 4.5/10, but he was only at a 3.5 before accusing another poster of having a small penis for pointing out issues with his grammar and spelling.

 

I see potential and will be staying tuned.  Nowhere to go but up!

[Dopey]

5 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I miss the good old days when I could point out, factually and accurately and without the mods getting upset, that someone who posts something this idiotic is a mentally deranged little turd.  Instead, I'm required to be nice, and tell you "Good point, keep up the good work!"  But I don't actually have to mean it, and it's entirely possible I'm thinking "Geez, what a mentally deranged little turd" while I type it.

 

 

So...Good point, keep up the good work!    

And I miss the days when a richard posts stuff like you want to post and is called just what you are. A richard head.

Can I say dick

head?

 

[JGMcD2]

7 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

was the plan to be this bad? was the plan to draft a young qb and give him next to nothing to play with ?  was the plan to pass on a good qb in order to pay more to take a chance on one following year.   These are not good plans 

Dude, if you have a better plan, why aren't you running an NFL team?

 

Map it out for me please. It takes incredible foresight to run an organization... you can't even seem to figure out how to run spell check.

[Putin]

7 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

what is the plan?  pass on a potential good quarterback?  Only sing process guy ? have the worst team in the league ? oh I know we have 80 million is cap money so everything is going to be great.   

 

How could they make sutch a mistake

by passing  on (potential ) good QB ? If Mahomes has another big game everyone should be fired regardless if Allen becomes a franchise QB or not 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Putin

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Dude, if you have a better plan, why aren't you running an NFL team?

 

Map it out for me please. It takes incredible foresight to run an organization... you can't even seem to figure out how to run spell check.

If you can tell me clearly and 100% correct how the following things work I will listen to your post, because then you obviously understand what it takes to formulate a "plan". 

 

• Salary Cap
• Waiver Process
• Free Agency
• NFL Draft
• The NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement
• Managing the 53 Man Roster
• Managing the Practice Squad

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

19 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( 3.5 ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 

this is all i saw in your post

 

[John from Riverside]

42 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

I've got to say, this thread really has the potential to see the OP spiral into full-meltdown mode.

 

So far he only gets a 4.5/10, but he was only at a 3.5 before accusing another poster of having a small penis for pointing out issues with his grammar and spelling.

 

I see potential and will be staying tuned.  Nowhere to go but up!

My popcorn is in the microwave as we speak

[TakeYouToTasker]

Also, what the heck is going on here?

 

 

Is this guy arguing with himself?

 

Tremendous.

 

This thread delivers.

[Starr Almighty]

I didn't read anything but the title to the thread, but that Polian guy was the worst. I hated the extended seasons with playoffs and Superbowls. I'm only in this for 16 games anything after that is overkill.

[billsgpr88]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

 

they could have drafted a qb with thier original pick in 2017. Instead they wait a year and spent a ton of capable to get a qb.  Dismissing what will be at best a 4-12 year is folly .  Spending their limited funds on defense instead of helping out thier young qb is very questionable.   

 

Do you honestly think Mahomes would be playing as well as he has if he were drafted by the Bills? Also, you haven't acknowledged the fact that they brought the team to the playoffs while simultaneously beginning a massive overhaul of their roster. And do you sincerely think Beane has already proven to be worse than Whaley? A GM who traded two firsts to go and get a WR in what was probably the most stacked WR class in a decade? He missed out on Mack after trading up, and could have gotten Odell Beckham,  Aaron Donald, or Anthony Barr if he just stayed put.... 

 

Have you heard Rob Ryan's interview earlier this year when he said his experience with the Bills was the worst managed situation he's ever been a part of? Or how about Doug Marrone having the same impression while he was here?

 

Just because things look grim right now doesn't mean it compares to the years and years of abhorrent to mediocre play this team has displayed on the field. Despite the clear gaffes of McBeane (bringing in Tolbert and Benjamin, overpaying Star, not holding on to E.J. Gaines or Robert Woods being among the worst), they have actually talked about a strategy. Beane has stated repeatedly he believes you start by building through the middle of the team, and his investments in Allen, Phillips, and Edmunds reflect this strategy.

 

They've made mistakes, absolutely. But I myself am happy to have a GM that actually has a vision. For the decade before Beane, the Bills have drafted terribly in the first round, overpaid FA talent, and created a patchwork of players that they hoped, by chance, would form into something cohesive. I had no idea what exactly they were trying to do, which I don't think can be said about this current regime

Edited September 21, 2018 by billsgpr88

[Peace Frog]

Dude, the spelling.  It hurts.

[Bing Bong]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Let's suppose you are in a job where you constantly need to hire new people, and it literally takes several years for your new hires to come up to speed and gel as a team.

Sorry to swamp you in but if you create the need to hire new people.. create your own problem.. then I'd feel like a control freak. But at least we're on the terms that we can't be this bad for too much longer.

[FearLess Price]

The roster decisions

(who to sign, not who to play [well excluding the tolbert files])

Have been f*ckin terrible for the offense.

 

McDerm did get us to the playoffs last year with a flawed offense, a limited QB, an OC who couldnt do anything to cater to his strengths, same OC pushed Derm to start Peterman which in turn led to the 5 pick massacre of mattacooga.

OC gets canned which gave me a lot of faith in Derm.

 

So i say. F*ck it. Get JA some OL and WR help and let the man cook!

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

they could have drafted a qb with thier original pick in 2017. Instead they wait a year and spent a ton of capable to get a qb.  Dismissing what will be at best a 4-12 year is folly .  Spending their limited funds on defense instead of helping out thier young qb is very questionable.   

I'll support you bud.. Yep. Don't create a lopsided roster where the 2000 Ravens couldn't win with this offense 

 

I mean Beane is.. probably not McDermott he hates tank talk and took Whaley's scraps and made playoffs. Beane's got us so bad he's the worst until he proves he can dig us out of the hole.. and he doesn't show the track record to do it.

[JGMcD2]

23 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Also, what the heck is going on here?

 

 

Is this guy arguing with himself?

 

Tremendous.

 

This thread delivers.

Meant for it to be a comment on his post. 

 

Way to contribute something substantial.

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

again a personal attack.   Instead of debating facts you attack me.  Why ?  

Because what you claim as facts are not facts.

[todd]

Is it April 1st?

[machine gun kelly]

Maybe I’m not reading this OP correctly, but also seems to indict Polian.  He is the best GM we ever had and in the HOF for what he did in Buffalo, Carolina, and Indy.  As far as Beane, he wasn’t the GM when we passed on Maholmes.  Allen needs time.  I fell like it’s a broken record, but Rodgers had an average to below avg record his first year as well as P Manning, one of the top QB of all time, claiming his first season at 3-13 taught him more than any other of the 18 years in the league.

 

Allen has a very good shot at success in the future.  Get used to this is a rebuilding year.  He has crap talent for skill players, and line.  Also a terribly performing defense that was supposed to be top 5 this year.  I can only hope now that McD is running the fpdefense they show up.  With experience our offense can get better.  I don’t know what to do about the line unless we get some older guys on rentals like Jhari Evans.  

[Jpsredemption]

Again.....they rid the team of talent in favor of players their either know or are of the "blue collar" mold.

 

You've done a poor job when players you discard are contributing all over the league.

 

And don't give me the cap garbage. If you have good and young talent you figure out a way. 

[oldmanfan]

Don't give me the cap garbage.

 

Sigh.

 

Some folks honestly do not understand realities of the NFL

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I think it’s close with 2009 (Jauron fired mid-season, Peters traded, Turk Schonert as the pop-gun offense/Trent Edwards no-huddle getting fired right before the season started, getting flicked off by Bud Adams in Tennessee) but Nix’s 2010 was the worst I’ve ever seen the Bills run organizationally. 

 

- 70-year old Nix chosen to be the GM after Ralph and Russ “scanned a list of names” and had him interview against John Guy. 

 

- Hiring Chan Gailey as Coach, who was out of football when Nix called.

 

- Switched the defense to a 3-4, then spent the majority of the draft on players that fit that scheme. Troup, Carrington, Batten, Moats.

 

- Traded Lynch for 5th Rounder

 

- Extended Chris Kelsay and thought he could play outside linebacker. 

 

- Drafted Spiller 9th overall and he got 78 carries in his first year. 

 

- Kept Trent Edwards as the starting QB. 

 

- Signed Cornell Green to be the starting RT. 

 

- Signed worn out linebackers - Reggie Torbor, Akon Ayodele, Pierre Woods, Audra Davis to “teach” the 3-4 with George Edwards as DC. 

 

That 2009/2010 period we felt as rinky-dink as an organization as you could possibly be. 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Straight Hucklebuck

[8-8 Forever?]

15 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

ask me in 15 months

[BuffaloHokie13]

12 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

The 80 million is sure nice to have but let's face facts,you need some savings for down the road...meaning sooner or later you will have to pay your stud draft picks.Build through draft is what I say ,since most FA's have some kind of baggage but still end up getting overpaid.I sure hope the Beane Counter doesn't approach next year's "new season" as if he got the keys to the chocolate factory handed to him.I expect to see a very solid team in 2020,if things are still in rough shape at that time..he has to go.jmho.

You can't be so shore about that.

[TakeYouToTasker]

7 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Meant for it to be a comment on his post. 

 

Way to contribute something substantial.

 

I see the problem.

 

You seem to think this thread is for substantial contributions.

 

I suggest rereading it, and then modifying your expectations.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Extended Chris Kelsay and thought he could play outside linebacker. 

Forgot about this travesty.  OMFG!

[Threedollabills]

16 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We have plenty of 2019 cap money and draft picks to shore up the roster.

You mean to "sure" up the roster right?

[BillsFan1988]

17 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I wonder if some realize how silly they look with this stuff

 

The first managment group to even TAKE A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS IN FIFTEEN YEARS

 

Let that sink in for a second.....

Let's keep things in perspective.  Yes we made the playoffs but we weren't a true playoff team.  We were a bad team that took advantage of other teams mistakes early in the yr. Matter of fact we were 1 of the top 5 worst teams statically to ever make the playoffs.

[damj]

Beane: yes

McDermott: I don't think so.  He overachieved last year and has less overall talent, though the fall off on defense is most troubling.  Let's see over the next few weeks

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

3 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

Again.....they rid the team of talent in favor of players their either know or are of the "blue collar" mold.

 

You've done a poor job when players you discard are contributing all over the league.

 

And don't give me the cap garbage. If you have good and young talent you figure out a way. 

 

And don't try to sway me with facts or an explanation, I belligerently stand by my opinion! This is the NFL A + ? = Wins.  Not my job to understand "?"

[Bray Wyatt]

52 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Forgot about this travesty.  OMFG!

 

Even worse, Spencer Johnson at LB!!

[Chuck Wagon]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think it’s close with 2009 (Jauron fired mid-season, Peters traded, Turk Schonert as the pop-gun offense/Trent Edwards no-huddle getting fired right before the season started, getting flicked off by Bud Adams in Tennessee) but Nix’s 2010 was the worst I’ve ever seen the Bills run organizationally. 

 

- 70-year old Nix chosen to be the GM after Ralph and Russ “scanned a list of names” and had him interview against John Guy. 

 

- Hiring Chan Gailey as Coach, who was out of football when Nix called.

 

- Switched the defense to a 3-4, then spent the majority of the draft on players that fit that scheme. Troup, Carrington, Batten, Moats.

 

- Traded Lynch for 5th Rounder

 

- Extended Chris Kelsay and thought he could play outside linebacker. 

 

- Drafted Spiller 9th overall and he got 78 carries in his first year. 

 

- Kept Trent Edwards as the starting QB. 

 

- Signed Cornell Green to be the starting RT. 

 

- Signed worn out linebackers - Reggie Torbor, Akon Ayodele, Pierre Woods, Audra Davis to “teach” the 3-4 with George Edwards as DC. 

 

That 2009/2010 period we felt as rinky-dink as an organization as you could possibly be. 

 

 

I agree with that completely.  It felt like Ralph couldn't give away a NFL GM / Head coaching job.  We were badly overpaying nobodies in both extensions and FA and putting Trent freaking Edwards in a wide open spread offense.

 

 

I THINK McBeane has a plan, flush out guys who were expensive/not difference makers/aging out of the window.  Reset around a cheap young QB / LT / CB / MLB.  Open up a ton of cap space and add an influx of talent in their primes in FA.   Ride a conservative gameplan, play defense first football and run the ball.

 

I think two things happened that threw the plan off.  First was Wood's medical retirement / Richie's freakout.  That wrecked the oline.  We were committed to getting a young "franchise" QB and lacked the draft resources to shore up the imploded Oline.  Second was underestimating Preston Brown / overestimating Edmunds.  When the heart of both your offense and defense is rookies, you are going to lose a lot.

[Rob's House]

43 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

And don't try to sway me with facts or an explanation, I belligerently stand by my opinion! This is the NFL A + ? = Wins.  Not my job to understand "?"

Sorry, that's incorrect. Players + winning = winning.

[Chris66]

I think thos all goes back to the Pegulas being new owmers.

At the end of 2014 this team was just a few tweeks from being very competitive. Marrone decided to leave bevause they wouldnt let him shop for the groceries. Not a big deal, except they hired a coach who decimated the team. 

 

Move forward 2 years and instead of hiring someone to usr the talent. They make the same mistake and hire a guy that decimated the team.