Are Mcdermott and Beane the worst group to run the bills since pollian ?

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, Woodman19 said:

This place is going to be fun after we play the Vikings and Packers.

would it be better to ignore the situation ?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

38 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

So in your assertion here, you still have Polian down as the overall worst,   correct? 

[vorpma]

30 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

and now they are the worst team in the league .   Plus they passed on Mahomes 

Two games into the 2018 season? 

[Búfalo Blanco]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

if that is the case they should have a better backup plan than Peterman . Yet another bad descion 

Go back and see how free agency played out... What bridge QBs were available at a decent price while also saving on the bloated cap they inherited..? Case Keenum? 2 years at 36 million with Denver. Yeah, that’ll help the horrible cap situation. You tell me, Mr. GM... BTW, those QBs would also have to WANT to play here, knowing they’d likely be replaced in a year by the young 1st round prospect. 

[wppete]

Not the worst but as of now looks like Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey did a better job. 

[Woodman19]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

would it be better to ignore the situation ?

I'll save you the drama.  We will be 0-4 at that point and things won't change.

[Captain Murica]

[baskingridgebillsfan]

Just now, no name said:

 

who pray tell thinks things are great?

 

those that think they're great are being premature and those that think they're the worst, are being premature.

 

it's going to take more time, whether you like what is being done or not, time will tell whether this regime succeeds or in the case of all of those in the past 20 + years, fail.

 

 

so, want to make your claim now, then hey, they failed.

 

(of course they failed to you because they didn't pick your boy in the chiefs uniform)

 

 

myself, I'll give it some time and have accepted that this has been a tear down and this season may be and has been so far pretty rough but I have to see what they do this next off season and draft before I start feeling like the sky is falling.

 

 

rebuilds are a B word aren't they

all fair points.  

[vorpma]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

again nobody is labeling him a bust.  There were and still are real concerns about him.  The guy has a ton of tools , time will tell. 

OK, I'm fine with that and I agree; but that is not the gist of the post!

Just now, wppete said:

Not the worst but as of now looks like Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey did a better job. 

Slowly put down your crack pipe and step into therapy!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Sadly results didn't turn out as well as the writer of the article thought.  Vallejo is he still on the team.  Peterman is useless, Zay may end up being a fine number 3 receiver we will see.  

That's part of my point though--you and I could take a crack at this GM thing and have just as much (or little) success for how many college All-Americans = busts in the NFL. That said, I am happy we have Tre White--lockdown CB on his side of the field anyway. Nobody's even tried to really test him yet this year (or had to). Compared to the rest, Dion also seems to be more than holding his own when not hurt. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Has the Bills fan base really gone this crazy???

 

It was a PLANNED rebuild. 

 

How can anybody be this upset in the middle of a PLANNED rebuild???

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

So in your assertion here, you still have Polian down as the overall worst,   correct? 

no since he took over .  so that would mean before Polian .   My assertion is this group is not good.  There is a high probabilty they will have the team with the worst record. 

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

OK, I'm fine with that and I agree; but that is not the gist of the post!

Slowly put down your crack pipe and step into therapy!

he is correct.  did buddy and Chan ever field a team this bad ?

[Johnnycage46]

42 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

While he has been GREAT in 2 games...who says Mahomes is a sure thing?  It appears to be trending that way but look at Watson...amazing last year...not so much this year.  It takes several years to evaluate.  If you are going to use a certain approach to your logic in evaluating players you should do it consistently for all players.

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

17

My bad.....SEVENTEEN YEARS

 

Christ why is even a topic OP......stop

[vorpma]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

would it be better to ignore the situation ?

Just try to accept the fact this team needs to go through this ie the 1989 Cowboys; big segment of Cowboy fans hated and blew snot bubbles about Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones until 1991! 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Has the Bills fan base really gone this crazy???

 

It was a PLANNED rebuild. 

 

How can anybody be this upset in the middle of a PLANNED rebuild???

was the plan to be this bad? was the plan to draft a young qb and give him next to nothing to play with ?  was the plan to pass on a good qb in order to pay more to take a chance on one following year.   These are not good plans 

[Bangarang]

35 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

usually people with small penises point out typo's    

 

Is this knowledge coming from your experience with penises, typos or both?

[tumaro02]

So you are saying that Beane was "secretly" calling the shots for the Bills when he was with the Carolina Panthers during last years draft? Did he quietly phone McDermott and Whaley and tell them he thought he might be the next GM of the Bills so pass on Mahomes? Comical.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, vorpma said:

Just try to accept the fact this team needs to go through this ie the 1989 Cowboys; big segment of Cowboy fans hated and blew snot bubbles about Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones until 1991! 

Mcdermott is not Jimmy Johnson.   

[vorpma]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

no since he took over .  so that would mean before Polian .   My assertion is this group is not good.  There is a high probabilty they will have the team with the worst record. 

he is correct.  did buddy and Chan ever field a team this bad ?

Nope we were in the almost .500 mode for the decade; lots of mediocrity and not a playoff spot. In 2005 the whole organization should gone through what is happening now; new young GM, new scouting, new coaching ... ah what's the use!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

no since he took over .  so that would mean before Polian .   My assertion is this group is not good.  There is a high probabilty they will have the team with the worst record. 

 

Oh there is a very very high probability.

 

Go look at the records of the teams each and every season that has the worst dead cap situation. 

 

Apparently the ability to field a good team can somewhat correlate to how much money you can spend on good players. 

 

I know, I know..  I was shocked too

[NoHuddleKelly12]

11 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

This place is going to be fun after we play the Vikings and Packers.

Oooof. Can't wait 

[BuffaloBillyG]

21 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

mcdermott is part of the dynamic duo 

So, in you view it makes perfect sense to allow the GM that was getting terminated the day after the draft to pick the QB on his way out the door?

 

You can claim whispers of "it was McDermott running the draft" but unless you can supply anything to support that then you or I really have no idea who made the picks. Oh, and fwiw Doug Whaley took full ownership of making the KC trade. Look up what he calls his "parting gift" to the Bills. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, tumaro02 said:

So you are saying that Beane was "secretly" calling the shots for the Bills when he was with the Carolina Panthers during last years draft? Did he quietly phone McDermott and Whaley and tell them he thought he might be the next GM of the Bills so pass on Mahomes? Comical.

 

1 minute ago, tumaro02 said:

So you are saying that Beane was "secretly" calling the shots for the Bills when he was with the Carolina Panthers during last years draft? Did he quietly phone McDermott and Whaley and tell them he thought he might be the next GM of the Bills so pass on Mahomes? Comical.

are you saying Mcdermott wasn't calling the shots during the draft last year ? 

[26CornerBlitz]

The OP should make a Pollian to see how TSW feels about this. 

[vorpma]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Mcdermott is not Jimmy Johnson.   

How do you know, you must have a crystal ball! Wow, the NFL is missing out on the real deal, you need to let them know you are available!

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

no since he took over .  so that would mean before Polian .   My assertion is this group is not good.  There is a high probabilty they will have the team with the worst record. 

 

if they have the worst record this season and a good chance they might, they will then have a much higher pick in return. I was never one to want my team to lose just to gain draft positions but if there ever would be a time, this season would be the one. as I said, I accept this is a tear down/rebuild and not winning many games this season is likely.

 

if they come out of the gate like they did this season in 2019, I then would start having some concerns as to whether they were/are the right men for the job?

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

So, in you view it makes perfect sense to allow the GM that was getting terminated the day after the draft to pick the QB on his way out the door?

 

You can claim whispers of "it was McDermott running the draft" but unless you can supply anything to support that then you or I really have no idea who made the picks. Oh, and fwiw Doug Whaley took full ownership of making the KC trade. Look up what he calls his "parting gift" to the Bills. 

yes Mcdermott has a said he spoke to Reid several times in the week leading up to the draft.  

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

was the plan to be this bad? was the plan to draft a young qb and give him next to nothing to play with ?  was the plan to pass on a good qb in order to pay more to take a chance on one following year.   These are not good plans 

 

The plan was to draft a QB and let him develop, clear space on the cap, and look to the future.  

 

This year never mattered.  Whether we were bad, average, or somewhere in the middle.  It never mattered. 

 

I am sure that is a tough pill to swallow, but you gotta just accept it.  

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

Mcdermott is not Jimmy Johnson.   

 

How could you possibly know this????  Jimmy Johnson wasn't Jimmy Johnson until he was.  I'm not saying McD will be great or even consistently good.  I'm just saying there is really no way to know until we know.  Got it!?

[PIZ]

Are we talking about the head coach / gm tandem that snapped a 17 year playoff draught just 1 year ago?

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

So, in you view it makes perfect sense to allow the GM that was getting terminated the day after the draft to pick the QB on his way out the door?

 

You can claim whispers of "it was McDermott running the draft" but unless you can supply anything to support that then you or I really have no idea who made the picks. Oh, and fwiw Doug Whaley took full ownership of making the KC trade. Look up what he calls his "parting gift" to the Bills. 

 

Whaley's gifts were to Bills success as this was to Ralphie's self-esteem Christmas morning:

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

This place is going to be fun after we play the Vikings and Packers.

There will be pockets of informed, intelligent discussion among those who understood what this season was going to be all along. Come and find us. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The OP should make a Pollian to see how TSW feels about this. 

like anything esle it will be how i word it.   if you give them a choice .  Donahue vs Marv/Jauron vs buddy chan vs whaley /marrone Rex. it wil be hard to say this isn't the worst.  if you say worst ever then the vote you be 90-10 no. 

[Foxx]

48 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

What exactly is a "shore" thing?  A shell?  Sand?  Jellyfish?  I'm confused.

i believe it's a reference to a backwoods slang term. put in context, a reference to Baskingridge, New Jersey, i'm sure.

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Foxx

[baskingridgebillsfan]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

The plan was to draft a QB and let him develop, clear space on the cap, and look to the future.  

 

This year never mattered.  Whether we were bad, average, or somewhere in the middle.  It never mattered. 

 

I am sure that is a tough pill to swallow, but you gotta just accept it.  

While I agree with you.  Nothing they have done gives me confidence that they will do the right thing going forward.  Plus if the idea that this year didn;t matter then why spend 25 million of limited Defensive players and leave your new qb devoid of help ?  

Just now, Foxx said:

i believe it's a reference to a backwoods slang term. put in context, a reference to Baskingridge New Jersey., i'm sure.

 

Basking ridge backwoods?  ummm you might want to look it up.  

[sleeby]

Do you know why we can't have nice things in buffalo?  Because of us - the fans.  I feel bad for McD and Josh.  

 

Had Peyton manning started year one as a bill his career would have begun and ended much like N8 Peterman's I suspect.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said:

While I agree with you.  Nothing they have done gives me confidence that they will do the right thing going forward.  Plus if the idea that this year didn;t matter then why spend 25 million of limited Defensive players and leave your new qb devoid of help ?  

 

They made the playoffs last year.  And they did it with less talent than we have had in a while.  They clearly know how to coach.  

 

As far as the Free Agents, those weren't signings for this year.  Those signings were about moving forward.  Players they wanted next year and the year after. We tend to look at free agency in this one year vacuum, but to a GM it is about what the contracts do for your for the life of the contract.  There is a whole additional element to it that fans dont even consider. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

There will be pockets of informed, intelligent discussion among those who understood what this season was going to be all along. Come and find us. 

that is a hand in the sand approach .  They did spend money heading into the season.  They thought they could put up a good d and win some games.  No body would ever want to field a team this poor.  The fact that they spent on d instead of helping the young qb is another blunder 

[RochesterRob]

  Seriously?  In any event that honor goes to Levy and Jauron.  Donahoe deserves dishonorable mention.