Josh is rough around the edges but man kid has potential

[HappyDays]

He was drafted on his potential and that's what he looked like today, a QB with potential but a few things to clean up. I'll give him an average grade for the day. It wasn't a disaster and he had a few outstanding plays.

[Wayne Cubed]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Who are you again?

 

 

 

Does it matter, I'm not wrong. Funny how much a year changes things huh.

Edited September 16, 2018 by Wayne Cubed

[Nelius]

4 minutes ago, Peter said:

The stat line was not great, but I think we saw enough to remain cautiously optimistic.  

 

Take away the interceptions and his stat line was a "good" Tyrod day.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Great TD pass though!

 

 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes.

 

As some have said, the flat feet in the pocket contributed to that last INT. Still, he's loads better than Peterman.

I think he has potential.
I really do. even with the loss i felt decent about his Big Day.

[Fixxxer]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Positives

 

Stands tall in the pocket and is not phased by the rush

 

Goes through his progressions

 

Can make any throw 

 

Mobility and toughness

 

Isn’t Nate Peterman

 

Negatives

 

Doesn’t recognize pre-snap looks (shifts, blitzes, protection adjustments)

 

Footwork regressed today

 

Drifts sideways under pressure instead of stepping up into a muddy pocket

 

Doesnt trust his eyes - waits too long to make throws to open receivers 

 

Mental clock is still too slow

 

Accuracy remains an issue 

 

he could have had a couple more completions for good yardage if he had gone to his first read (open first read) He missed an open Clay in the endzone for an easy TD (the Ivory TD drive)

 

Maybe he's just waiting for a bigger pass or gain, IDK. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Played really good. First career start and he played as well as anything we have watched over the last 5 years. 

Footwork needs to improve, and I think he will learn from mistakes made today. He will only get better.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Does it matter, I'm not wrong.

 

Yeah, you kinda are. All the time. But that's ok. That's your thing, you do you.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, Nelius said:

 

Take away the interceptions and his stat line was a "good" Tyrod day.

 

but we knew TT wasn't going to amount to anything.

 

Allen is a rookie with a much higher ceiling.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Fixxxer said:

 

he could have had a couple more completions for good yardage if he had gone to his first read (open first read) He missed an open Clay in the endzone for an easy TD (the Ivory TD drive)

 

Maybe he's just waiting for a bigger pass or gain, IDK. 

 

Yeah that’s what I mean about trusting his eyes.

[GymShorts84]

I think you can tell he has a ton of experience as a QB.  He understood the clock and down and distance.  He fired up the team and they responded.  We won the second half.  If the D didn't start so slow or we get one of those fumble calls, we could haven stolen a win.  Allen is the Anti-Tyrod.  His eyes are downfield, sometimes for too long.  He gets away with this because he is so big and can take hits.  His touch can be poor and maybe that never changes.  He also can run and has a rocket.  After 60 minutes of NFL game tape, I am excited for the future.  

[Nelius]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

but we knew TT wasn't going to amount to anything.

 

Allen is a rookie with a much higher ceiling.

 

 

 

no I totally agree, sorry. I meant that in a positive way as weird as it was. point was that we're not really missing anything.

[Nihilarian]

Now just think how this kid would have looked with quality offensive linemen who know how to block properly and know their responsibilities.  

 

It's hard enough to watch those O linemen whiff on blocks. It's quite another to see them block the wrong man so a defender comes free and untouched. 

 

McCoy getting tackled in the backfield as soon as he touches the ball at times. The Bills receiver corps is another sad story. 

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Yeah, you kinda are. All the time. But that's ok. That's your thing, you do you.

 

You have no idea, but keep talking joe. Last year you could not shut up about how bad the Bills and Taylor was but carry on. You were the most negative poster I had witnessed, crazy what changes. But carry on being the "voice of reason" if that's what makes you feel good.

[The Red King]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I don’t see much negativity...

 

Check the Gameday threads. ?

[JinxedBill1]

Definitely better showing than Peterman.  So there's like no debate anymore even if you don't like Allen.  There's no one else.

[Bubba Gump]

I really like the leadership he showed on the sidelines after the first TD. He was really trying to pump up the defense. You don't see that too often from a kid making his first NFL start

[Freddie's Dead]

11 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

If you can't see how solid of a first start that was, that's a you problem. Not an Allen problem, a you problem.

 

 

I read that in Italian at first.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I read that in Italian at first.

 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Same. Just need to see progress. 

 

The defense on the other hand was a complete cluster !@#$ in the first half.

if they cannot stop the run geesh !

but they did tighten up the second half.

Coaching adjusted reasonably well.

[vorpma]

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Yes, when they're reasonable.

 

Problem is, virtually no one here is reasonable the past few weeks.

 

Guys like TYTT I disagree with daily, but I respect his opinions since they're at least well thought out.

 

Good post! Could not agree more, we need to regain the quality of this board!

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Now just think how this kid would have looked with quality offensive linemen who know how to block properly and know their responsibilities.  

 

It's hard enough to watch those O linemen whiff on blocks. It's quite another to see them block the wrong man so a defender comes free and untouched. 

 

McCoy getting tackled in the backfield as soon as he touches the ball at times. The Bills receiver corps is another sad story. 

 

The free rushers were on him and maybe Groy.  Pre-snap issue.

[LABILLBACKER]

give him KC's oline and toys and things would be a whole lot different.

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Now just think how this kid would have looked with quality offensive linemen who know how to block properly and know their responsibilities.  

 

It's hard enough to watch those O linemen whiff on blocks. It's quite another to see them block the wrong man so a defender comes free and untouched. 

 

McCoy getting tackled in the backfield as soon as he touches the ball at times. The Bills receiver corps is another sad story. 

Ingram was a beast today

[NoSaint]

19 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

The flaws he has always shown are still prevalent.  

 

Most disconcerting is his accuracy, which remains a problem.

 

The narrative in pre-season was that he was improving in that area with better footwork.

That almost never works.

 

 

 

It’s the big question mark. He essentially did all you could ask today. Now comes the hard part: getting better more weeks than not 

[vorpma]

11 minutes ago, Acantha said:

Honestly, I think he was exactly what the tape says he is.  He's got a huge arm, pretty good athleticism, and is pretty tough.  He also needs to work on accuracy and is going to need a bunch of time to adjust to the NFL.  He has very little feel for pre-snap reads and using those to throw timing routes.  That will likely come with experience (lots).

 

Given how bad the team is as a whole, and the complete failure of Peterman, I think this time in the game is invaluable to Allen.  I don't expect much, but it will all help in year 2+ as the team is built around him.

 

One more thing, he HAS to stop pulling the ball down, turning and running sideways to the LOS.  This is where the NFL defensive speed is KILLING him.  I know the Oline sucks and is putting him in bad positions, but he has to keep his eyes down field, body in position to throw, and move sideways.  As soon as he pulls that ball down and starts to turn, the defense has already closed.

Great post!

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

 

It'sa you prollem (with thumb, index, and middle finger pressed together, and the arm shaking....)

[Seasons1992]

His stat line would have been more than 300 yards had his (crap) receivers caught a couple more balls.

[Dadonkadonk]

15 minutes ago, DrDonut said:

Accuracy problems? Besides the throw to Demarco I thought he was fine

Not really.  He had a few other throws that weren't great.  I have been an Allen guy from the beginning.  He was perfectly fine today.  Not great but exactly what I expected.  Made more throws than TT ever did and more INT than TT ever did.

This board/organization didn't want TT.  Well this is what you get.  It's fine.  If he gets better and starts having more 2-3 TD 1 INT games over the season he will be fine.

[Mark92]

He acts like he belongs and it feels different with him behind center.  I

[Buffalo_Gal]

13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I don’t see much negativity...

You needed to be in the gameday thread - "unreasonable" would be a polite description. Batshit crazy, an accurate one - for a good number of people that posted there today. 

[billsbackto81]

Considering the lack of protection and what he has to work with for weapons I think he did surprisingly well. Got the crap beat out of him and still stood tall. 

 

Flaws for sure but hey not too bad an first start. 

[Scott7975]

That was a good first start for a rookie with very little around him.  Yes, he made some mistakes... but that's what rookies do.  

[whatdrought]

I give him an A- simply because of the game situation. It was a B performance, but carrying 21 grown men worth of dead weight can be troublesome. 

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Not really.  He had a few other throws that weren't great.  I have been an Allen guy from the beginning.  He was perfectly fine today.  Not great but exactly what I expected.  Made more throws than TT ever did and more INT than TT ever did.

This board/organization didn't want TT.  Well this is what you get.  It's fine.  If he gets better and starts having more 2-3 TD 1 INT games over the season he will be fine.

 

Tuhrod’s lack of interceptions was a problem actually.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Tuhrod’s lack of interceptions was a problem actually.  

 

THIS I agree with!

 

It was indicative of his refusal to take a chance.

 

[billsfan89]

 Footwork and decision making are the two main components of what drove his inaccuracy. The decision making will improve with experience hopefully (it should and Allen is a smart hard working guy, no reason to believe it won't) but the footwork is where it becomes interesting. 

 

Allen seemed to be improving in that regard in camp and in pre-season. But he is under duress a lot and in a different environment now in the regular season and while it still seems he has improved from college we aren't seeing quite the same progression he showed in camp and pre-season. 

 

I think the pressure is impacting that but as other posters pointed out he had some inaccurate throws on plays when he wasn't pressured. I think the whole intense experience of starting against good defenses for the first time is impacting him a bit. 

 

My hope is that as he just plays more he is able to process the game better and he starts to show more progression in his footwork. I also hope that the defense and the talent around him improve so that he isn't playing from behind and trying to do too much. 

[longtimebillsfan]

1 minute ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Not really.  He had a few other throws that weren't great.  I have been an Allen guy from the beginning.  He was perfectly fine today.  Not great but exactly what I expected.  Made more throws than TT ever did and more INT than TT ever did.

This board/organization didn't want TT.  Well this is what you get.  It's fine.  If he gets better and starts having more 2-3 TD 1 INT games over the season he will be fine.

Given what he has to work with along with his inexperience,  he is doing very well.  He will continue to improve.   Those that complain about his accuracy, how have the other rookie qbs been with their accuracy?  He has made some very nice through, some very bad.  His accuracy will improve with experience.  This harsh judgement from our football "experts". Are a bit premature.   Give him till at least 8 starts before you are ready to throw in the towel.  Especially the 'fixing accuracy almost never works". Give me a break.

[Pirate Angel]

if he could get some freaking help

[par73]

He had accuracy issues and held the ball too long on several occasions. Hopefully he will improve with experience.