B_4_life Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 So the ransom is set, would you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 they won't get that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 No team will pay that and give him a deal in the Aaron Donald range.   3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Throw in an offensive lineman and I’m in ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him.  Amd no. At that price I would not. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Not a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 One yes, two no 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 too rich for my blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Where is the ransom set? Is this the cool kids thread....for the other thread? About the exact same thing?  They can want what they want.....they need a buyer. Edited August 30, 2018 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 No. Unfortunately we are not even close. Top 5 pick this year and probably next.  He will stay with the raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 This thread should go to the waiver wire..... 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) You could compare Buffalo's 1st round selection for the next 10 years and still not reach the caliber player Mack has turned out to be IMO. Â The way I look at it a high 1st round draft choice would be needed to even come close, higher then Buffalo normally drafts. So to me the deal is costing Buffalo one 1st rounder and Mack cancels out the other. Â I say yes, get er done Mr. Beane man Edited August 30, 2018 by Figster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Figster said: You could compare Buffalo's 1st round selection for the next 10 years and still not reach the caliber player Mack has turned out to be IMO.  The way I look at it a high 1st round choice would be needed to even come close, higher then Buffalo normally drafts. So to me the deal is costing Buffalo one 1st rounder and Mack cancels out the other.  I say yes, get er done Mr. Beane man Thank God you aren't in charge of anything having to do with player personnel decisions for this team. I swear, there should be a basic intelligence test required before fans can even REGISTER to join this site. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him.  Amd no. At that price I would not. Exactly,look at what the Sabres paid out to get Skinner for example..or what the Sabres got in return for Kane.Different sport but educated business decisions are pretty much the same. I remember when Ditka sold his entire draft to get Ricky Williams....Times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Thank God you aren't in charge of anything having to do with player personnel decisions for this team. I swear, there should be a basic intelligence test required before fans can even REGISTER to join this site. Explain the error of my ways then  What Mack is worth is debatable without the insults, no? Edited August 30, 2018 by Figster 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Figster said: You could compare Buffalo's 1st round selection for the next 10 years and still not reach the caliber player Mack has turned out to be IMO.  The way I look at it a high 1st round draft choice would be needed to even come close, higher then Buffalo normally drafts. So to me the deal is costing Buffalo one 1st rounder and Mack cancels out the other.  I say yes, get er done Mr. Beane man  The draft choices are one part of the cost. The $20 mil+ in cap space is what turns me off. Get cheap young guys, build a team. We are NOT one player away. We could stand to take a top 5-10 pick and trade down for 3-5 starters....if we’re lucky. 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Hell no, a big contract and 2 first round picks for a non-QB player is too rich for my blood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said: Thank God you aren't in charge of anything having to do with player personnel decisions for this team. I swear, there should be a basic intelligence test required before fans can even REGISTER to join this site.  This is uncalled for.  And frankly obnoxious. 14 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, Augie said:  The draft choices are one part of the cost. The $20 mil+ in cap space is what turns me off. Get cheap young guys, build a team. We are NOT one player away. We could stand to take a top 5-10 pick and trade down for 3-5 starters....if we’re lucky. I get that Augie  thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Explain the error of my ways then  What Mack is worth is debatale without the insults, no?  You gotta forgive him.   He would rather have big Mike Williams, Leodis, Whiffner, and Ej Manuel than Khalil Mack ??? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Explain the error of my ways then  What Mack is worth is debatale without the insults, no?  Yeah, that was not the best way to address things, IMO. Sorry to see that. I disagree with you, but try to do it politely.  1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Not a chance.  Our next two first round picks should be quite high. Next year's might be a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:  You gotta forgive him.   He would rather have big Mike Williams, Leodis, Whiffner, and Ej Manuel than Khalil Mack ??? All is forgiven  thanks buddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) INteresting thread idea. Edited August 30, 2018 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 "Not for a player that doesn't want to be on your team. I'm not going to solve your problem and over pay you for it." -Beane  *Click* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him.  Amd no. At that price I would not. Bring the price down Raidus or Mack will be brushing up on his golf game this fall. A 1st & 3rd is as high as I go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) If Beane did this, it would be the first red flag of his tenure.  Everything he's said and done until now has been the opposite of going out and paying both significant draft capital and long-term contract/money.  Based on this, I cannot see it happening IMHO. Edited August 30, 2018 by stony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 INsane cost for an INcredible player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Â You gotta forgive him. Â Â He would rather have big Mike Williams, Leodis, Whiffner, and Ej Manuel than Khalil Mack ??? I get what you're saying but those front offices are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Sorry for not knowing, but what is the source of the two firsts?  That very well be their initial asking price, but there's no chance they'll end up getting that. I would think 2019 1st and mid-round 2020 is the most you're going to get for a hold-out player. Oakland simply doesn't have enough leverage to pull off two firsts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 If you want elite talent, you are going to have to pay Elite prices for it. The Raiders don't have to trade him, and it doesn't matter to them that you have to give him a huge contract He is one of the top defensive players in the league and they aren't going to give him away for nothing right now just because he will sit out.  And people always seem to get confuse when they see it, this is just their asking price, why would a teams asking price not be higher then most would be willing to pay? You are always going to ask for more then what you will most likely be willing to accept later on. They ask for 2 1sts not, then someone negotiates and gets him for a 1st & a 2nd, or 1st & 2-3rds, etc. Or a team comes along and says they can give up 2 1sts because they want him. 5 minutes ago, fridge said: Sorry for not knowing, but what is the source of the two firsts?  That very well be their initial asking price, but there's no chance they'll end up getting that. I would think 2019 1st and mid-round 2020 is the most you're going to get for a hold-out player. Oakland simply doesn't have enough leverage to pull off two firsts. I believe that came from the Raiders themselves, or a "source close to the Raiders" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 44 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him.  Amd no. At that price I would not. Exactly.  No team is going to offer that, just like no team was going to offer the eagles a first and a third for Foles.  3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: If you want elite talent, you are going to have to pay Elite prices for it. The Raiders don't have to trade him, and it doesn't matter to them that you have to give him a huge contract He is one of the top defensive players in the league and they aren't going to give him away for nothing right now just because he will sit out.  And people always seem to get confuse when they see it, this is just their asking price, why would a teams asking price not be higher then most would be willing to pay? You are always going to ask for more then what you will most likely be willing to accept later on. They ask for 2 1sts not, then someone negotiates and gets him for a 1st & a 2nd, or 1st & 2-3rds, etc. Or a team comes along and says they can give up 2 1sts because they want him. No one’s giving up a first and a second for him, either.  They’re dreaming, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, stony said: If Beane did this, it would be the first red flag of his tenure.  Everything he's said and done until now has been the opposite of going out and paying both significant draft capital and long-term contract/money.  Based on this, I cannot see it happening IMHO. unlikely,   McD and the big Mack attack ...   1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him.  Amd no. At that price I would not. If he sits out the year, he won't be a FA next year. I think he has to report by Week 10, but they can fine him $800k+ per game missed. I'm guessing he blinks before they do.  And no, they won't get 2 1sts for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Didn't the Bills give up two first round picks to get Cornelius Bennett? Â How did that trade work out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Didn't the Bills give up two first round picks to get Cornelius Bennett? Â How did that trade work out? Oh, you mean 31 years ago? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Forgive me for not reading thru everyone's posts but wouldn't this mean we used two first rounders on Sammy, and then would turn around use two first rounders on Mack, who we could have had when we drafted Sammy? I mean.....YIKES! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 As long as he can be a DE, LB, WR and OL, then yes. It's a steal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: As long as he can be a DE, LB, WR and OL, then yes. It's a steal!!  He will be as versatile as he will be wealthy, so YES!  He will also cut your grass and do your taxes. How do you pass that up? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said:  He will be as versatile as he will be wealthy, so YES!  He will also cut your grass and do your taxes. How do you pass that up?  Did you just call Khalil Mack a Mexican accountant? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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