Browns fans react to Coleman trade

[stony]

1 hour ago, DefenseWins said:

I hear that T.O. is still out there...

 

If only Rusty were still around.

[NewEra]

i wonder How all of this went down.  Almost seems like we were the first team to inquire about him and Dorsey just said f it, let’s do it. No other team would offer more than a 7th rd pick 2 years from now?  This just doesn’t  make any sense.  If I’m the browns fans I’m pissed.  Big times. I’m sure they could’ve gotten more

Edited August 6, 2018 by NewEra

[Formerly Allan in MD]

There has to be a tremendous amount to dislike about this guy from the Browns' perspective.  But we had nothing to lose unless he's a locker room cancer.  Bottom line, if he turns it around, it's a steal.  If we wind up cutting him, cost us little for the risk.

[stony]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

i wonder How all of this went down.  Almost seems like we were the first team to inquire about him and Dorsey just said f it, let’s do it. No other team would offer more than a 7th rd pick 2 years from now?  This just make any sense.  If I’m the browns fans I’m pissed.  Big times. I’m sure they could’ve gotten more

I thought about this, too.  Flip it around, I'm curious if Dorsey called around and the Bills were  the only team to offer something.  Either way, its cool w me.  

[Buffalo716]

51 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'll take that any day. The teams problems involving wr's over the last 4-5 years has been injuries. If Coleman can stay on the field he'll have value. 

 

Hopefully he stays healthy 

[JMF2006]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

i wonder How all of this went down.  Almost seems like we were the first team to inquire about him and Dorsey just said f it, let’s do it. No other team would offer more than a 7th rd pick 2 years from now?  This just doesn’t  make any sense.  If I’m the browns fans I’m pissed.  Big times. I’m sure they could’ve gotten more

 

I heard they were shopping him for weeks,some posters on the this board wanted OBD to get him 2 weeks ago.

 

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4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

There has to be a tremendous amount to dislike about this guy from the Browns' perspective.  But we had nothing to lose unless he's a locker room cancer.  Bottom line, if he turns it around, it's a steal.  If we wind up cutting him, cost us little for the risk.

 

There are enough Vets on this team to straighten out any wanabe locker room turkey.

 

Besides Cleveland pays what bonus money thats due and the Bills can cut him no strings attached.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

If I was a Browns fan and thank GOD I am not, I was be extremely pissed off that I just got a 2020 7th round pick for a 1st round WR.  Thats on the surface.  This tells me that my FO was going to release him, 2 years after passing up on Wentz for this guy.  This amazes me.

If you were a Browns fan, the fact your coach is 1-31 and still has a job should only serve as additional proof that nobody's driving the bus.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

Cleveland....Turning 15th overall picks into 7th round conditionals since 2016

 

Buffalo ... Turning third overall picks into 6th round conditionals since 2017.

Buffalo ... Turning fourth overall picks into 2nd rounders since 2017.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

How could they possibly like the trade?

A 15th overall pick going into only the third year of his affordable rookie contract and who has shown promise when healthy....traded for a CONDITIONAL 7th round pick two years from now. 

What's to like?

 

Well......I like it just fine! ?

 

 

Can you imagine if we got just that for Allen or Edmunds in a few years? Actually, it’s probably best not to try to imagine that....oh my......

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

I’m surprised no one has started a thread saying we should kick the tires on him after his recent video of burning a CB 20 years younger than him. 

 

...careful what you wish for....Ochocinco is also lookin' for work...............

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

The fact we got a pick for someone else to pay his 16.5 million dollar salary still boggles my mind.

That's the difference in these 2 deals. The Bill's got a 6th for a talented formern1st rounder who has lacked motivation and had off field issues. But he was on his second contract and it was a big one that at least the Bill's can say they traded him for the cap space savings.

 

With Coleman, he was still cheap on his original deal and only 2 years from being drafted.

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

this balances the 6th for Dareus trade

 

 

We got a 5th

 

[Fadingpain]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Well... yeah. You can't get worse compensation than a 7th two years from now. 

Sure you can.

 

They could have taken a bucket of wings from Duffs and 50 unsold Dareus Bills jerseys as compensation.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Sure you can.

 

They could have taken a bucket of wings from Duffs and 50 unsold Dareus Bills jerseys as compensation.

 

 

 

Hey, a bucket of Duff's wings are worth waayyyy more than a 2020 7th pick.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Hey, a bucket of Duff's wings are worth waayyyy more than a 2020 7th pick.

 

That is the truth ?

[stuvian]

I just love reading Browns fans piling on their team. I honestly feel for them.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, stony said:

I thought about this, too.  Flip it around, I'm curious if Dorsey called around and the Bills were  the only team to offer something.  Either way, its cool w me.  

He may end of being Percy Harvin, but at his age and with his talen., I couldn’t be happier about this

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You could get nothing?

 

As compensation in a trade? No, you can't. Sure, they could have cut him and got no compensation. But that's not the situation I was referring to.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

He plays a lot differently than Goodwin... who I like.. Goodwin is a lot faster on the field, but only really runs go routes , comebacks and outs

 

Coleman plays bigger, can high point the ball and is more like a poor mans steve smith or Odell right now. A smaller receiver who can play much bigger than his size, exceptional explosiveness 

he is not that fast overall though is he? Explosiveness is Much more important I feel. Out of breaks and second gear are much more valuable than top speed. how's the the hands these days though ?

[Putin]

4 hours ago, bmur66 said:

He was most likely going to be cut

Colman > Lawson ? 

[HansLanda]

But will their board get to 200 pages of reaction? Cuz ours will. We are also better at the internet than Cleveland. 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

Wow.... we got em for a 7th rounder in 2020? Seems like too good of a steal....theres a catch here somewhere....im sure ill find it before Zay Jones does.

you're just awful.

 Funnay as heck

 but awful

 : )

2 hours ago, fansince88 said:

Yeah. Proehl is a seventh. That is a gamble round.

at best

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

he is not that fast overall though is he? Explosiveness is Much more important I feel. Out of breaks and second gear are much more valuable than top speed. how's the the hands these days though ?

No he isn’t as fast as Goodwin but he is explosive in and out of his breaks. And he has better leaping ability than Odell

 

He always was a good hands Catcher at Baylor but his catch % in the NFL hasn’t been great but it can be a product of his QB play

 

he could be a golden tate, Doug Baldwin type with more speed

[vincec]

Most of the Browns fans posts were basically “good riddance” and speculating that Beane did Dorsey a favor by taking his salary off the books. After reading the Cleveland message boards I almost wish he’d fail his physical so the trade is voided.

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, vincec said:

Most of the Browns fans posts were basically “good riddance” and speculating that Beane did Dorsey a favor by taking his salary off the books. After reading the Cleveland message boards I almost wish he’d fail his physical so the trade is voided.

Really? That's not what I read AT ALL. Over at Dawgsbynature.com, all I'm seeing is people pissed off that the Browns traded him for such a meager return. The consensus seemed to be that he was doing well in camp, was penciled in as a starter, and was -- at worst -- one of the 4 best receivers on their roster.

I don't think Beane is in the business of doing anyone any favors. He simply added a speedy WR to a team lacking speed at that position and did so in a low-risk way. 

[JerseyBills]

6 minutes ago, vincec said:

Most of the Browns fans posts were basically “good riddance” and speculating that Beane did Dorsey a favor by taking his salary off the books. After reading the Cleveland message boards I almost wish he’d fail his physical so the trade is voided.

Homer talk.. 

The kid had 2 pretty flukey broken hands and look at the other WR they had !

He was second behind Gordon who played 5 games in rec and yards per game... !! 

We got a steal imo and if he doesn't work out it's no big deal, well worth the risk , especially it being a position and player type of need who has serious natural talent..

[vincec]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Homer talk.. 

The kid had 2 pretty flukey broken hands and look at the other WR they had !

He was second behind Gordon who played 5 games in rec and yards per game... !! 

We got a steal imo and if he doesn't work out it's no big deal, well worth the risk , especially it being a position and player type of need who has serious natural talent..

Probably.

[OCinBuffalo]

This is how the Dareus arguments/comparisons begin to end:

 

The local media has their knives out and ready

Pitch forks and torches ready to go as well

 

I haven't read anything about Coleman that even comes close to this stuff. Building a school in Haiti? Nice PR move, but, that's all it is. IF the jags have to cut Dareus, then yeah, we got the best deal possible for him. Complaining about the Dareus trade as of right now is already: weak. It's simply a weak argument. Getting what we got in a 5th is still better than nothing. IF the jags cut him, then this argument goes from weak to silly.

 

Looks like cut is much more likely than keep because: all it takes is one more thing. What are the chances that Dareus finally sees the light vs. the chances he screws up again, but better yet: why do you want any of this anywhere near your football team, never mind hanging over it?

[TigerJ]

The only deal that Beane could have made for Coleman with better terms for the Bills would have been a straight player trade: Coleman for Quan Bray.

[apuszczalowski]

Isnt his salary $3.5 mil? (Thought I read that earlier) 

If so, that's not much at all and I doubt they did any favors of taking that salary off the book of the Browns. 

[Fadingpain]

14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If he stays healthy this could be  Goodwin type of player. A steal!

Let's hope he's a good bit better than Goodwin.

Goodwin didn't do jack his entire time in Buffalo.

 

Other than get injured.

 

 

[Turk71]

5 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Isnt his salary $3.5 mil? (Thought I read that earlier) 

If so, that's not much at all and I doubt they did any favors of taking that salary off the book of the Browns. 

His salary is 3.5 total for 2 years. 1.5 cap this year and 2.0 next year.

[Fr. Jerk]

Brandon to Browns fans:

 

Edited August 7, 2018 by The Jerk

[Soda Popinski]

15 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Buffalo ... Turning third overall picks into 6th round conditionals since 2017.

Buffalo ... Turning fourth overall picks into 2nd rounders since 2017.

and players!   don't forget the players!   and turning 2nd round picks into 3rd rounders and players too.    

 

And turning 2year from now 7th round picks in to former 15th overalls   

[JerseyBills]

9 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Isnt his salary $3.5 mil? (Thought I read that earlier) 

If so, that's not much at all and I doubt they did any favors of taking that salary off the book of the Browns. 

And apparently the Brownies have a ton of cap space ..

I see alot of Browns fans saying Dez is a lock now, even if that's true , he's on the last leg of his career with not much upside versus a 3rd year , 1st Rd talent that had 2 flukey injuries, terrible QB play and was basically the #1 or 2 WR target in every game he played!

Gordon only played 5 games the last 2 years! Coleman was 2nd in Rec and yards per game , followed by guys like an injured Kenny Britt - 5 starts, 18 rec, 233 yds,2 TD. Ricardo Louis , 16 games, 9 starts, 27 rec , 357 yds, 0 TD and it only gets worse , ppl thought our wr were bad, sheesh ..

 

So it's likely teams game planned around stopping the playmaking Coleman , who should have never been in that position in the first place.. With all the variables on a mess of a Cle offense , this pick up has tremendous upside and wouldn't be surprising at all to see him have a breakout year 

Edited August 7, 2018 by JerseyBills

[apuszczalowski]

I think the Browns fans who say this was a good move for them are just trying to justify it to themselves, or do t really follow football. It wasnt a salary dump like Dareus. They have plenty of cap room and he was on a cheap deal. It was a move to maybe make room on the roster for someone else or to move him because he didnt fit their system. And of course theres risk for the Bill's in it, you dont get former first round picks on their rookie deals for a late pick if they dont have a blemish or 2. Coleman seems to be an injury risk and hasnt shown what he was expected to be able to do in his 2 years in the league. The Browns have been known for giving up on early picks quickly though.

 

I also wouldn't really go by the comments of a browns fan, can you really trust their judgement? They did chose to be a fan of the Browns........

[Manther]

On 8/6/2018 at 2:24 PM, thenorthremembers said:

 

The fact we got a pick for someone else to pay his 16.5 million dollar salary still boggles my mind.

It pleased me at the time of the trade and still does!

[SCBills]

10 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

I think the Browns fans who say this was a good move for them are just trying to justify it to themselves, or do t really follow football. It wasnt a salary dump like Dareus. They have plenty of cap room and he was on a cheap deal. It was a move to maybe make room on the roster for someone else or to move him because he didnt fit their system. And of course theres risk for the Bill's in it, you dont get former first round picks on their rookie deals for a late pick if they dont have a blemish or 2. Coleman seems to be an injury risk and hasnt shown what he was expected to be able to do in his 2 years in the league. The Browns have been known for giving up on early picks quickly though.

 

I also wouldn't really go by the comments of a browns fan, can you really trust their judgement? They did chose to be a fan of the Browns........

It’s equivelant to us trading away Shaq Lawson for a 2020 7th Rounder.  

 

Some here would justify it.  People would bad mouth Shaq.  Most who know football would criticize it as getting rid of a talented player (albeit underwhelming so far) on a cheap rookie deal.  

Edited August 8, 2018 by SCBills

[Jauronimo]

Poor Brownies.  Trade Coleman for a bag of magic beans and the guy who made him expendable immediately gets popped for possession and driving with a suspended license.  

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Poor Brownies.  Trade Coleman for a bag of magic beans and the guy who made him expendable immediately gets popped for possession and driving with a suspended license.  

 

Luckily for them, they have a QB who doesn't throw to wide receivers.