John Clayton: Best Scenario - Josh Allen Starts in December

[BuffaloRush]

05-25 John Clayton on Schopp and Bulldog

 

http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/schopp-and-bulldog

 

So I guess John Clayton is coming to Buffalo for a Fatasy Football convention this summer. He was on Schopp and Bulldog to promote it a bit but did talk some Bills.

 

Of course, they asked when the Bills should play Allen.  John said they should follow KC’s lead and start him in December like Mahomes did - when he played a meaningless game in Week 17.  Surprisingly he was down on Chicago starting Trubisky in Week 5 and felt it was too early.  

 

This comment kind of made me scratch my head because many others have said you need to get him on the field sooner.  Obviously not the first week but at some point before Week 17.  The other difference is that the Bills might not have a QB on the roster that can perform like an Alex Smith who had one of his best seasons statiscally  in 2017.  So the gab between McCarron and Allen might not be as large.  

 

Im going to guess that Allen starts in Week 10 Of the season which would be November.  Still I think Clayton is off on this one

Edited May 27, 2018 by BuffaloRush

[Jamie Nails]

Clayton is off on a lot of things. I don’t find much of what he says particularly insightful. 

[US Egg]

Anyone making a hindsight assessment does so to appear knowledgeable. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Ifartalot

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, Ifartalot said:

Hindsight observations are the easiest ones to make one look knowledgeable 

Pretty unusual for the second string guy to take over the starting spot. Usually happens only when there's an injury, the games are meaningless or the strarter is in a bad slump AND the playoffs are on the line.  

 

It ordinarily doesn't happen just because someone decides it's a good time to start the rookie.  

Edited May 26, 2018 by Shaw66

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

John Clayton knows less about the Bills then 90% of this board. I never understood why a local station, has a national guy come on to speak about the Bills? He knows nothing about the Bills. Why would any of us care what his opinion of them is?

[billsbackto81]

Best scenario for who?  That's"worst case" scenario. Everybody is writing off this year as a building year with no shot at postseason play. KC had a competent playoff caliber QB above Mahomes, we have McCarron. If AJ plays well you ride with him and let Josh develop. If Josh wins the starting gig outright then cross your fingers.

[BringBackFergy]

John Clayton is, perhaps, the most knowledgeable analyst I ever heard. He has his ear to all insider info and doesn’t mints words. I would head his advice. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Someone remind me.   Did KC make the playoffs?

 

[nedboy7]

Let the Clayton bashing begin.  How dare he. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Clayton is, perhaps, the most knowledgeable analyst I ever heard. He has his ear to all insider info and doesn’t mints words. I would head his advice. 

Being knowledgeable and intelligent are different no?

 

?

Just now, nedboy7 said:

Let the Clayton bashing begin.  How dare he. 

I’ve read some Clayton’s stuff.  

 

Hes done some crappy reporting on the Bills. 

[Fadingpain]

48 minutes ago, Jamie Nails said:

Clayton is off on a lot of things. I don’t find much of what he says particularly insightful. 

A lot of his specific takes on the Bills are straight up wrong, where he is obviously looking in from the outside.

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Week 18?

[Kirby Jackson]

It’s not a complicated answer at all. You play a guy when he is ready. Some guys are ready week 1, some need a year. There is no right answer.

[BuffaloMatt]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

05-25 John Clayton on Schopp and Bulldog

 

http://www.wgr550.com/media/podcast/schopp-and-bulldog

 

So I guess John Clayton is coming to Buffalo for a Fatasy Football convention this summer. He was on Schopp and Bulldog to promote it a bit but did talk some Bills.

 

Of course, they asked when the Bills should play Allen.  John said they should follow KC’s lead and start him in December like Mahomes did - when he played a meaningless game in Week 18.  Surprisingly he was down on Chicago starting Trunisky in Week 5 and felt it was too early.  

 

This comment kind of made me scratch my head because many others have said you need to get him on the field sooner.  Obviously not the first week but at some point before Week 18.  The other difference is that the Bills might not have a QB on the roster that can perform like an Alex Smith who had one of his best seasons statiscally  in 2017.  So the gab between McCarron and Allen might not be as large.  

 

Im going to guess that Allen starts in Week 10 Of the season which would be November.  Still I think Clayton is off on this one

It is amazing that his opinion is considered at all. Can't stand him.

I believe his only credential is that he was chased home by a football player when he was in school. 

[tumaro02]

Irrelevant analyst speaking on the Irrelevant and Mouth radio show? How could anything that anyone of them say mean anything?

[Dr.Sack]

Best case scenario Allen beats out McCarron & Peterman in the preseason. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Clayton is, perhaps, the most knowledgeable analyst I ever heard. He has his ear to all insider info and doesn’t mints words. I would head his advice. 

 

 

no way I take this post serious. 

 

 

[Lfod]

23 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Best case scenario Allen beats out McCarron & Peterman in the preseason. 

Best case scenario is any of them becoming a franchise QB for the Bills. Although it's most likely Allen because he's the only one that hasn't failed a shot because he hasn't had a shot yet. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Lfod

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Week 18?

Lol I thought the same thing

 

week 18

 

and Mitch Trunisky

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Pretty unusual for the second string guy to take over the starting spot. Usually happens only when there's an injury, the games are meaningless or the strarter is in a bad slump AND the playoffs are on the line.  

 

It ordinarily doesn't happen just because someone decides it's a good time to start the rookie.  

Unless you are Buffalo Bills.
you were here for the Peterman thing weren't you ?☺️

[flomoe]

Sounds like he’s setting himself up for another season to make an appearance on the Stoop and Lapdog show.

 

I hate to poke fun at the radio guys because their job can’t be easy, but after listening to them this past week after the NFL’s Anthem decision, I seriously believe Stoop is a radical leftist and Lapdog is a f’ing moron with no backbone.

[BuffaloRush]

19 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Lol I thought the same thing

 

week 18

 

and Mitch Trunisky

 

Simple mistakes....they are fixed 

[Victory Formation]

If he wins the job against a 5 year NFL vet, that means he's ready. It makes no sense to start McCarron if Allen out plays him.

[IDBillzFan]

Clayton's best work is his ESPN commercial.

 

It's a steep drop after that.

[John from Riverside]

My best case scenario is that we keep all 3 qbs

 

......they all play outstanding

 

.....we keep Josh Allen on the bench for a year and play AJM

 

.....we trade AJM for a 1st round pick

 

(I know its not happening but)

[greeneblitz]

Ive never understood this thinking, so we hope AJ McCarron is bad enough for Allen to start in December? So we waste 3 months that we should be developing Josh Allen for a guy that may or may not even be here next year? No way, if Allen is even close to McCarron, he should start.

[Clyde Smith]

He's still around? Where did they dig up ol crypt keeper from lol?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

If he wins the job against a 5 year NFL vet, that means he's ready. It makes no sense to start McCarron if Allen out plays him.

 

there's "outplays" and "OutPlays" IYKWIM?  If Allen is just head and shoulders above everyone else in play, not just in vertical inches, sure, play him.  But preseason isn't the season, and plenty of guys have been "preseason warriors" then folded in September.

[atlbillsfan1975]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

My best case scenario is that we keep all 3 qbs

 

......they all play outstanding

 

.....we keep Josh Allen on the bench for a year and play AJM

 

.....we trade AJM for a 1st round pick

 

(I know its not happening but)

Trade him to Cleveland for their first pick in the second round. 

[Nanker]

11 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Clayton is, perhaps, the most knowledgeable analyst I ever heard. He has his ear to all insider info and doesn’t mints words. I would head his advice. 

 

[BuffaloBill]

13 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Being knowledgeable and intelligent are different no?

 

 

 

 

BBF knows nothing about either of these topics.

[Negan]

Clayton also said there was no way on earth that Cincy would beat Baltimore and our best hope was for Oakland to beat Chargers and Jax to beat Tenn.

 

Guess Clayton was wrong again...

[Go-Bills]

If the O-line can protect Allen then play him and let him learn! Improve through the draft next year and then spend a boat load of money on free agency......

[dollars 2 donuts]

His comments make great sense considering the that MacCarron and Alex Smith are th exact same QB, with the exact same talent level.

 

...ridiculous.  Protect the QB, but the team still has to play meaningful football.  Not right to sit him if ends up being the better QB early on.

Edited May 27, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Seanbillsfan2206]

These responses are awesome. Surely a guy who has covered the NFL for over 40 years might have a bit of a knowledgeable opinion. “Keep Allen on the bench?!? What a moron!” Just awesome. I needed a good laugh this morning. Thanks guys 

[Gray Beard]

14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Clayton is, perhaps, the most knowledgeable analyst I ever heard. He has his ear to all insider info and doesn’t mints words. I would head his advice. 

TBD gold. 

 

Coach has demonstrated that if a QB stinks it up for a couple games, he will get pulled so somebody else can get a chance.  It doesn’t matter who starts, he will be on a short leash. IMHO, that makes sense under the circumstances. 

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

BBF knows nothing about either of these topics.

Heyyyyyy! I resemble that remark. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Gray Beard said:

TBD gold. 

 

Coach has demonstrated that if a QB stinks it up for a couple games, he will get pulled so somebody else can get a chance.  It doesn’t matter who starts, he will be on a short leash. IMHO, that makes sense under the circumstances. 

Stinking it up in 4 of 5 is not a couple it is a few.  

 

3 to 10 points and QBR of under 45 is what drove that need for a change. 

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Gray Beard]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Stinking it up in 4 of 5 is not a couple it is a few.  

 

3 to 10 points and QBR of under 45 is what drove that need for a change. 

 

You bring up a good point.  Just how short will the leash be?  With Allen and McCarron, whoever starts will know that there is a guy on the sidelines who could be seen as a better option if things aren’t working out. Three bad games? Five bad games? Put n the other guy if there is going to be a tough game and the Bills are a significant underdog? (Which is what may have been the case when Peterman went in against the Chargers. Try the new guy and send a message to the old guy in a game that would have been an upset if the Bills won no matter who played.)

[H2o]

Who?  Where is Sean Salisbury when you need him?