BillsFan17 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, MJS said: That could be the offensive scheme. That could be that the WR's sucked (which they did), and really did the guy know this, or was he guessing? Seems to me like Allen had plenty of pass attempts. In comparison to the other big three Allen- 649 28 games played Mayfield- 1157 at Oklahoma 40 games played Darnold- 846... 27 games played Rosen-1170... 30 games played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ethos: Character and credibility, often inclusive of expertise and knowledge. (Thanks Aristotle ) And on a sidenote... can we LEASE friggin hire Palmer as our QB coach for continuity's sake?! And again NO. If he is hired as an assistant QB coach (Bills already have one and not going to fire him for McD already has reputation as hire and fire guy) or offensive assistant then per NFLPA rules he cannot work with him between camps, etc. He will need help digesting play book, fixing stances, etc. and that is best done between camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Really going to determine who takes over the Pats. Overall, I like Alles chances to become a better Qb than Darnold. Buffalo has a better team around Allen. The organization finally seems to have a significant amount of security and direction. Daboll should be the OC for a quite a few years. I dont see Bowles lasting much more than a season or two, Danrold will be in a less stable situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, dlonce said: I heard some anti Allen guy on WGR claim that Wyoming took the ball out of his hands and ran it,even though they have a terrible run game. He said that points to the lack of trust in the QB. Whats the truth? His attempts do not lend to this theory,but I have no clue. Wyoming football is all about running the ball and stopping the run. It's old-school football. People act like Mike Leach was his coach. People are strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said: Lol, really? Josh threw the ball 270 times and his backs combined carried for 253. That's a strong ratio when it comes to the ground game. Even in 2016 Allen had 373 passing attempts and his lead back 349 carries. They did lose a good RB and WR after the 2016 season. Perhaps the offense was much more "reserved" last year after losing 2 big keys to their offense the previous season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 16 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I love people around the NFL speak of Buffalo as though the weather there late in the season is radically different than lots of other NFL cities. It's not. We also don't play all the late season games at home. Weather doesn't really impact Bills football enough to even be a minor concern. Except when it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Palmer doesn’t want To make the leap yet to the NFL. He is super content doing the guru thing and will probably coach in college first ...and can operate outside of CBA restrictions purview......probably easier to attract clients off season and who pay handsomely for it.....even though his career didn't amount to much, nice to see he found a profitable niche.......former QB's like Simms and Dilfer have pursued a similar path, staying involved in the game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Chris in Syracuse said: Too bad that Miami didn’t draft Rosen. It just dawned on me that in 1983 every now AFC east team took a QB in the first round that year. And of the 6 picked all were from AFC teams. In fact I just went back and technically all 5 AFC East Teams In 83 picked a QB, the Colts later traded Elway. Edited May 5, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 20 hours ago, boater said: CBS Sports listed seven top rookie matchups two watch in 2018. The December Jets game was listed as Number 1. Sam Darnold vs. Josh Allen: Ranking the best rookie matchups on the NFL schedule An ESPN columnist is quoted via Twitter: Lolz. I can live with the Hoth label. It's not accurate, but it does psych out opposing teams. The game is touted as a sneak peak at a long running AFC East QB rivalry. Planet Hoth ?? 19 hours ago, GreggTX said: Let's hope Allen vs. Darnold is THE matchup to watch for the next 20 years! I'm down. As long as we win. 17 hours ago, Fadingpain said: I love people around the NFL speak of Buffalo as though the weather there late in the season is radically different than lots of other NFL cities. It's not. We also don't play all the late season games at home. Weather doesn't really impact Bills football enough to even be a minor concern. True but it good to put that fear in the opponent's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transplantbillsfan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 9 hours ago, LeGOATski said: meh...he sounds the same to me. Just excited about Allen's athleticism. But, who isn't? Did you listen to all those interviews I posted? Did you listen to any of them? Doesn't seem like you did if Palmer is "just excited about Allen's athleticism" considering he talks very very little about Allen's athleticism. Here's another WGR interview by Palmer just before the draft. http://www.wgr550.com/media/audio-channel/04-25-quarterback-consultant-jordan-palmer-howard-and-jeremy Another interesting thing, to me, is the post draft interview circuit for Palmer. He's had some regarding Allen, but none, as far as I can find, about Darnold. 6 hours ago, Bangarang said: Transplant went from hating Allen as a prospect to defending him with his life. I look forward to a lot of very long and repetitive argument threads ? I absolutely did... though not the defending him with my life thing. But yes, I loathed the idea of drafting him. I also said before the draft that if we drafted him, I just hoped I could delude myself into getting excited about my new QB relatively quickly... and I guess I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Did you listen to all those interviews I posted? Did you listen to any of them? Doesn't seem like you did if Palmer is "just excited about Allen's athleticism" considering he talks very very little about Allen's athleticism. Lol. He talks about his huge arm and "arm talent" a lot. Can you please not go nuts over this QB, too? Just chill out and enjoy the ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Have we reached a point where we will reach for literally anything at all to hang our hats on when it comes to Josh Allen? I'll be honest, I wasn't totally against the pick at the time, but I wasn't thrilled. Since then, I've become more optimistic about it for various reasons, but I'm not trying convince myself any way I can that he'll be good. I/we just don't know. There's no need to try and convince yourself of anything in order to justify the pick. I'm just going to trust that the people in charge know what they're doing, and see where it goes from here. Do I think he'll end up being a good one? Yes, and not based off of a hope that he will be, due to playing for my favorite team. My vindication will only come after he sees the field, and proves it, not from trying to read between the lines of Jordan Palmer interviews. Not trying to be a jerk here, Transplant. Its just that I've seen plenty of posts here lately that try however they can to justify taking Allen over Rosen. And while many of them, I can agree with, it's the whole idea of what we as fans are doing that seems foolish. What's done is done, and quite honestly, it's pretty easy to understand why the Bills took Allen over Rosen IMO. Let's let their play on the field be our justification. ... hey DPG. prior to the draft, i really had no horse in the race here. i don't have the time to do any of the film study it would have required to have an educated opinion. if there was just one QB to study, perhaps that may have been doable but barely. as such, like you i simply was putting my trust in the brain trust at OBD to do their due diligence and try to select whom they believed worthy of their obvious efforts to secure a QB this draft. though i do remember telling Trans back in all the early chatter about who we would want that because he was so against Allen, i was convinced that was who we were taking. said in jest at the time, i had no idea just how correct i was. since we have now drafted Allen, i have been trying to find the time to watch his college game tape as i can. much like it has been bandied about on the forum of late, i really do not see what the pundits proclaimed prior to the draft. i think Allen displays good accuracy and has a deft touch on the ball when he wants. obviously he played in a less than ideal environment so getting a truly accurate gauge on him is difficult at best. he did take a perrenial 2/3 win team and raise their level of play to get them to an 8 win team so that says a lot in my estimation ,as does the fact that they lost the last two games without him under center. i say i didn't have any horse in the predraft race and that is mostly true. the possible exception was a concern for Rosen and his apparent fraility. i was concerned that he was just a couple of hits to the noggin from early retirement. i was afraid that if the Bills selected him that that would be our fate because, you know that just seems like a Billsy thing that would happen. for that reason alone, i am glad i will not have that constant worry in the back of my mind. here's hoping Allen is everything OBD thinks he can be. if he is, i look forward to dominating not only the AFCE for the next 10/15 years, but to also kicking the **** out of the Patriots every chance we get. Edited May 5, 2018 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 22 hours ago, boater said: CBS Sports listed seven top rookie matchups two watch in 2018. The December Jets game was listed as Number 1. Sam Darnold vs. Josh Allen: Ranking the best rookie matchups on the NFL schedule An ESPN columnist is quoted via Twitter: Lolz. I can live with the Hoth label. It's not accurate, but it does psych out opposing teams. The game is touted as a sneak peak at a long running AFC East QB rivalry. Did you miss the Indy game last year? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 okay so... this is no longer Trans' thread. it was merged. had a tough time finding it again. sometimes things just need to be left to fend for themselves. let the better thread on a topic win out. but, what do i know...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Lol. He talks about his huge arm and "arm talent" a lot. Guess we view athleticism differently. Also shows what happens to messaging based on the perspective of the listener, cause I heard very little in there about "arm talent" (I assume you mean strength) and more about work ethic, smarts, processing speed, misunderstood accuracy, etc. But, to each his own. 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Can you please not go nuts over this QB, too? Just chill out and enjoy the ride. I am. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Green Lightning said: It's a Star Wars reference for for people with no lives. No life here. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 The Josh McCown quote still makes me nervous. The Jets have the perfect veteran QB that has all the experience in the world and wants to legitimately help the newcomer. We have Nathan Peterman and AJ McCarron for Allen to learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, BigDingus said: The Josh McCown quote still makes me nervous. The Jets have the perfect veteran QB that has all the experience in the world and wants to legitimately help the newcomer. We have Nathan Peterman and AJ McCarron for Allen to learn from. McCown can make all the nice public statements he wants. He didn't sign on to be a rookie's teacher. He's a competitive guy who played very well in 2017. McCarron is a future coach, fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: No life here. Thanks. Well, I admit that was a bit harsh. It's just the referencing little details like that seems a bit fixated on the whole series. But I get it. My wife dragged me to a couple and I found myself not willing to suspend my disbelief. She's cracker dogs about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I am. Are you? Says the guy who got all butthurt by my neutral comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Your agenda is weird and sad Do me a favor and don’t deflect your own deficiencies onto me. Thanks bro. 9 hours ago, dlonce said: I heard some anti Allen guy on WGR claim that Wyoming took the ball out of his hands and ran it,even though they have a terrible run game. He said that points to the lack of trust in the QB. Whats the truth? His attempts do not lend to this theory,but I have no clue. Also on Twitter. Definitely a red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 5:21 PM, Fadingpain said: I love people around the NFL speak of Buffalo as though the weather there late in the season is radically different than lots of other NFL cities. It's not. We also don't play all the late season games at home. Weather doesn't really impact Bills football enough to even be a minor concern. You would think Buffalo was in the Northwest Territories the way the media characterizes the area. Green Bay, Cleveland and Chicago have just as crappy weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 13 hours ago, MPT said: The guy was making the point that Wyoming actually ran it far more than other teams despite having a far worse running game. have you looked to see if the stats bear this out? Or are you just taking a loud mouth's word for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Allen might not be playing in these matchups(or at least the first matchup) this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Allen might not be playing in these matchups(or at least the first matchup) this year... not sure why they're excited about a McCarron vs McCown showdown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Says the guy who got all butthurt by my neutral comment. Boy... you're being really sensitive. What's upsetting you? Edited May 6, 2018 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On May 5, 2018 at 11:46 AM, BillsFan17 said: Lol, really? Josh threw the ball 270 times and his backs combined carried for 253. That's a strong ratio when it comes to the ground game. Even in 2016 Allen had 373 passing attempts and his lead back 349 carries. Correct. Wyo's O is basically power run. Something people should keep in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On 5/5/2018 at 4:17 AM, Carter said: It a big red flag when your coach takes the ball out of your hands during your senior season... Fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 5/5/2018 at 3:09 PM, Foxx said: hey DPG. prior to the draft, i really had no horse in the race here. i don't have the time to do any of the film study it would have required to have an educated opinion. if there was just one QB to study, perhaps that may have been doable but barely. as such, like you i simply was putting my trust in the brain trust at OBD to do their due diligence and try to select whom they believed worthy of their obvious efforts to secure a QB this draft. though i do remember telling Trans back in all the early chatter about who we would want that because he was so against Allen, i was convinced that was who we were taking. said in jest at the time, i had no idea just how correct i was. since we have now drafted Allen, i have been trying to find the time to watch his college game tape as i can. much like it has been bandied about on the forum of late, i really do not see what the pundits proclaimed prior to the draft. i think Allen displays good accuracy and has a deft touch on the ball when he wants. obviously he played in a less than ideal environment so getting a truly accurate gauge on him is difficult at best. he did take a perrenial 2/3 win team and raise their level of play to get them to an 8 win team so that says a lot in my estimation ,as does the fact that they lost the last two games without him under center. i say i didn't have any horse in the predraft race and that is mostly true. the possible exception was a concern for Rosen and his apparent fraility. i was concerned that he was just a couple of hits to the noggin from early retirement. i was afraid that if the Bills selected him that that would be our fate because, you know that just seems like a Billsy thing that would happen. for that reason alone, i am glad i will not have that constant worry in the back of my mind. here's hoping Allen is everything OBD thinks he can be. if he is, i look forward to dominating not only the AFCE for the next 10/15 years, but to also kicking the **** out of the Patriots every chance we get. Good post, pretty much described my position as well. Ironic how things turn out sometimes. To be honest, I haven't had the time to watch very much "film" of Allen at Wyoming, but I will say this: too often, people directly correlate completion percentage with accuracy, but that's not a true reflection. There's several things that factor into each pass being completed or not, and it's not always on the QB. I'm sure that there's several throws that he put in the right spot, yet the pass wasn't completed for one reason or another. I did read that, had he completed something like 15 or 16 more passes, his % would be above 60. Still not a great number, but would be a noticeable mark up from his actual completion percentage with just a few passes. What I have done since the draft is read up on Allen, and I've definitely warmed up to him, but I'm not reaching for random, irrelevant things to convince myself or others that he's the guy. Quite honestly, though, it's easy to get caught up in the pre-draft hype and pundit chatter that circulates for months. As fans (the vast majority of us, not knowing what's fact, but going off of the words of "professionals"), we're easily convinced that the ideas that are spread in the chatter are accurate, but they're not always totally true. The "accuracy" concerns with Allen may not be as much of an issue as perceived, just like the character concerns with Rosen may not and up being either. But only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) On 5/5/2018 at 11:53 AM, MJS said: That could be the offensive scheme. That could be that the WR's sucked (which they did), and really did the guy know this, or was he guessing? Seems to me like Allen had plenty of pass attempts. It comes from this Twitter thread (I'll post the highlights related to this): Edit: I think people are taking this to mean that Wyoming clearly didn't think Allen was as good as the NFL does when in reality, that take assumes that all college teams coach their teams in a perfectly efficient manner, but in actuality, few college coaches (or even NFL coaches for that matter, i.e. last year's Bills offense) adapt to their personnel the best way that they can. It's not about a lack of faith in Josh to put the team on his back; it's about the coaching staff's stubbornness not to take advantage of what they have because they're more comfortable in their own set ways. I'd have to read more from Sharp to determine if he even meant this Twitter thread to attack Allen; the way this particular thread reads it sounds more like he's arguing that the Wyoming coaches are stupid. Edited May 7, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It comes from this Twitter thread (I'll post the highlights related to this): That's the system the Wyoming coaches run with, for better or worse. These aren't offensive wizards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 5/6/2018 at 12:33 AM, reddogblitz said: have you looked to see if the stats bear this out? Or are you just taking a loud mouth's word for it? Neither, just clarifying what the guest was saying in the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 1:45 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said: Someone make the Tauntaun a NY Jit and have a charging Buffalo coming out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: It comes from this Twitter thread (I'll post the highlights related to this): Edit: I think people are taking this to mean that Wyoming clearly didn't think Allen was as good as the NFL does when in reality, that take assumes that all college teams coach their teams in a perfectly efficient manner, but in actuality, few college coaches (or even NFL coaches for that matter, i.e. last year's Bills offense) adapt to their personnel the best way that they can. It's not about a lack of faith in Josh to put the team on his back; it's about the coaching staff's stubbornness not to take advantage of what they have because they're more comfortable in their own set ways. I'd have to read more from Sharp to determine if he even meant this Twitter thread to attack Allen; the way this particular thread reads it sounds more like he's arguing that the Wyoming coaches are stupid. Sharp is certainly adamant about painting a certain picture, but all he's done is look at numbers, and make a conclusion based off of them. There's so many factors and variables in football, yet Mr. Sharp seems to things it's very cut and dry. He does nothing to elaborate on why the run game was so poor. No mention of studying tape, assessing the offensive line, etc., yet he puts out some tweets based off of numbers, and us common fans assume he's such a reputable "source" and take his word as gospel. Now I'm not saying that he's off base or not on to something, but it just comes off as very bland "analysis" and somewhat agenda driven, and people like Mr. Carter here take it and run with it, saying that the coach was "taking the ball out of his hands", when really it could simply be more about a coach that sticks to a game plan or philosophy of establishing a commitment to running the ball, for whatever reason. Wyoming lost a good RB and WR after 2016, and (shocker) their rushing and passing yards overall decreased in 2017. And the quote about having a harder time when you're behind the sticks on 2nd and 3rd down is valid in all of football, yet Sharp seems to try and dismiss that idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) It's been fun to read this thread. Damnded if we do. Damned if we don't. I'm excited. I haven't agreed with everything McBean have done, but I'm trusting the process. For what it's worth, only pundits and arm chair GMs seem to not like Allen. Edited May 7, 2018 by JaxBills Specify the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Guy Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 8:33 PM, JohnnyK said: Hoth was a moon...just saying! and this match up will make or break these two teams for years to come!!!!! go bills! please be right! but not not wide right!!!! http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth "Hoth was a remote, icy planet that was the sixth planet in the star system of the same name." *pushes glasses up* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 4 hours ago, That_Guy said: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth "Hoth was a remote, icy planet that was the sixth planet in the star system of the same name." *pushes glasses up* I stand corrected... Not sure why I thought it was a moon! my memory must be slipping!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Its going to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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