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Kiper was the conductor of the Josh Allen train. I’m sure he gave Carolina an A when they drafted Jimmy Clausen, his 4th favorite player in that draft. 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mel-kiper-said-hed-retire-2018-jimmy-clausen-wasnt-successful-nfl-qb-well.html

 

Kiper is terrible.

6 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

Thanks but I'm not giving ESPN clicks.  Good to know we are approved by someone who is most notably wrong most of the time...lol

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I'd rather have my team get an A from Kiper than an F. Regardless of your opinion on Kiper ( for years I thought the Bills FO would field a much better team if they just made the Kiper pick ) it must be stressed that these are preliminary draft grades. No one knows how these players will turn out. So the criteria are limited. Did the team address their needs? Did they get value for the player chosen in relation to where they were ranked ? Or did they reach ? So whether Allen was your personal favorite or not ( or Kipers) isn't relevant . These QBs were ranked fairly close together. So the Bills probably still get an A if they pick Rosen instead of Allen. They addressed their greatest need and didn't mortgage their future to do it. 

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48 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

 

 

 

.......Brylcream Mel is an entertaining clown.....as is Beiber (Gonna Shave Some Day) McShay........although my OPINION is that McBeane/McD/McDaboll did an "A" job in their very FIRST draft together, Mel's grade will be trashed by the TBD pundits because (1) it is Mel and (2) Allen was his guy from day one.....and there are other "A's" out there as well....

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If mel kiper was that bad at his job, he would have been fired years ago. He’s a talent evaluator. It’s literally impossible to get mock drafts 100% right. He knows more than all of us combined when it comes to evaluating talent. Yes he’s had some bad judgment (ahem jimmy clausen) but sometimes talent doesn’t follow you to the NFL

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Day-after grades are such a waste of ink.  I guess we can thank the internet for only wasting electrons.

 

All of these immediate post-draft grades are LOL ridiculous.  The same "experts" who just issued pre-draft grades---without doing the same evaluations/tests/interviews as the teams themselves---compare what actually happened to what those "experts" said they would have done and then "grade" the teams on how much the teams agreed with them.  Since Mel loves Allen and Edmunds and I guess likes Phillips, the Bills get an A for agreement.  If the next "expert" hates Allen, Johnson, Neal and McCloud they get an F for agreement.

 

Yada yada yada.

 

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9 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

Day-after grades are such a waste of ink.  I guess we can thank the internet for only wasting electrons.

 

All of these immediate post-draft grades are LOL ridiculous.  The same "experts" who just issued pre-draft grades---without doing the same evaluations/tests/interviews as the teams themselves---compare what actually happened to what those "experts" said they would have done and then "grade" the teams on how much the teams agreed with them.  Since Mel loves Allen and Edmunds and I guess likes Phillips, the Bills get an A for agreement.  If the next "expert" hates Allen, Johnson, Neal and McCloud they get an F for agreement.

 

Yada yada yada.

 

They are ridiculous if you think they are grading based on which players they like. That's not what's happening. There may be slight variations in ranking of prospects among Kiper, McShay , Ourlads etc but they're pretty close.  Why wouldn't the Bills get an A for drafting Edmunds? He was a top ten player on virtually every known ranking. QBs were close too, so the Bills get an A whether they chose Rosen or Allen. The grading is based on the relation to the overall board and if the team filled holes. If you think it's a prediction of which players turn out best ( and it isn't ) , yes that would be silly. 

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1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

If mel kiper was that bad at his job, he would have been fired years ago. He’s a talent evaluator. It’s literally impossible to get mock drafts 100% right. He knows more than all of us combined when it comes to evaluating talent. Yes he’s had some bad judgment (ahem jimmy clausen) but sometimes talent doesn’t follow you to the NFL

 

all sane people know this already

 

maybe a few wager their farm or left pinky finger on him being perfect, I don't know....

 

 

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1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

If mel kiper was that bad at his job, he would have been fired years ago. He’s a talent evaluator. It’s literally impossible to get mock drafts 100% right. He knows more than all of us combined when it comes to evaluating talent. Yes he’s had some bad judgment (ahem jimmy clausen) but sometimes talent doesn’t follow you to the NFL

I give him credit because he popularized a business.  But he’s never worked/ played on any level of football.  He’s never been offered a job in nfl front office because he would have been fired long ago.  He has the best job because there is zero accountability.  If he picked Jimmy Clausen at the top of the draft as a GM, he would have been fired.  

 

He loved Josh Allen and we picked him. So we got a good grease based on what Mel Kiper believes.  It’s is essentially meaningless at this point.

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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Kiper was the conductor of the Josh Allen train. I’m sure he gave Carolina an A when they drafted Jimmy Clausen, his 4th favorite player in that draft. 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mel-kiper-said-hed-retire-2018-jimmy-clausen-wasnt-successful-nfl-qb-well.html

 

Kiper is terrible.

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Agreed.  Why isn't anyone reminding Kiper that his time is up?  His kudos = the kiss of death.

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The grades we are getting post draft are completely dependent on people's opinions on Josh Allen, which is dumb. Kiper gives us an A because he likes Josh, other analyst are giving us bad grades because they hate Josh. 

 

Reminds me of my old high school English teacher who would give you an A if you agreed with her, and would give you a C at best if you presented a differing opinion. 

 

The fact is there were 15-2O really great players in this draft...and we got two of them. We also got a top fifty player at ninety six. To me that's pretty good. We filled the two biggest issues this franchise has. 

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1 hour ago, Da webster guy said:

come and see me in 1000 days and maybe by then we'll know.

 

we did what we absolutely had to do.   Get a top qb prospect and a LB.

 

Can't wait to watch these new kids at camp.  Watching Allen throw in person is quite impressive they say.   

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4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Reminds me of my old high school English teacher who would give you an A if you agreed with her, and would give you a C at best if you presented a differing opinion. 

 

This was exactly like my philosophy teacher at NCCC lol.  

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23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I give him credit because he popularized a business.  But he’s never worked/ played on any level of football.  He’s never been offered a job in nfl front office because he would have been fired long ago.  He has the best job because there is zero accountability.  If he picked Jimmy Clausen at the top of the draft as a GM, he would have been fired.  

 

He loved Josh Allen and we picked him. So we got a good grease based on what Mel Kiper believes.  It’s is essentially meaningless at this point.

At the end of the day it’s just an opinion. Other “experts” hated the pick. It’s all on who you want to believe I guess. But the guy gets a lot flack and most of it is undeserved 

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26 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

At the end of the day it’s just an opinion. Other “experts” hated the pick. It’s all on who you want to believe I guess. But the guy gets a lot flack and most of it is undeserved 

 

Been on an all-nighter to get a Report out, and a Sikh Day Parade is blocking the only street for an exit outside the office garage... and people are popping off about Mel Kiper not picking it perfecctly?

 

 

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These guys gotta' hand out grades to create the feeling of perspective.............but when you draft a QB the scale can massively distort.

 

It's more like winning the lottery when you hit on a QB versus $50 and a pat on the back for drafting a few good players that will have a limited impact and flame out in 5-7 years. 

 

Go back to 2004.........who's left from that first round?    3 HOF QB's with no intent on retiring.

 

Even go back to the Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco draft and they are about all that's left.

 

Grades don't begin to tell the story because all positions are not created equal.

 

If Allen or Rosen become great and the Broncos continue to not have an elite QB for a decade then Elway will look like an idiot for passing.....even if Chubb pans out.

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4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

These guys gotta' hand out grades to create the feeling of perspective.............but when you draft a QB the scale can massively distort.

 

It's more like winning the lottery when you hit on a QB versus $50 and a pat on the back for drafting a few good players that will have a limited impact and flame out in 5-7 years. 

 

Go back to 2004.........who's left from that first round?    3 HOF QB's with no intent on retiring.

 

Even go back to the Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco draft and they are about all that's left.

 

Grades don't begin to tell the story because all positions are not created equal.

 

If Allen or Rosen become great and the Broncos continue to not have an elite QB for a decade then Elway will look like an idiot for passing.....even if Chubb pans out.

Yep. If Allen is great, this draft was a grand slam. If he's quite good it's a homerun. If he is average it's a poor draft. If he sucks it's a disaster. The other guys, as far as this draft grade goes, hardly even matter. And I like a few of them a lot,

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Kiper is not the most likeable guy but I do not ever remember him giving Buffalo an A.    At least this is another step towards Buffalo slowly gaining national respect again.

 

This more than other years, is way too early to grade.   The success on the draft will live or die on the success of Allen.  I personally see Allen as boom or bust, either being a perennial pro bowler or a total disappointment, no in between(Bradford, Bortles etc).

 

I like what they did on the rest of the draft.   Edmunds and Phillips could add an immediate spark to the defensive front 7.   The later picks added competition to positions that needed it and if one of the last five picks can be this years Milano, I consider that a success.

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4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

.......Brylcream Mel is an entertaining clown.....as is Beiber (Gonna Shave Some Day) McShay........although my OPINION is that McBeane/McD/McDaboll did an "A" job in their very FIRST draft together, Mel's grade will be trashed by the TBD pundits because (1) it is Mel and (2) Allen was his guy from day one.....and there are other "A's" out there as well....

LOL, I was going to ask. Do they still make Brylcream?  Actually though I thought Mel had both of pur first round picks going high.

Hence the "A" grading. 

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The Bills made big moves to address the two biggest positions on the field. Strategically, they were more than successful. But a draft is only as good as the results on the field.

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56 minutes ago, Best Player Available said:

LOL, I was going to ask. Do they still make Brylcream?  Actually though I thought Mel had both of pur first round picks going high.

Hence the "A" grading. 

 

....LMAO.....a little dab will do ya..................

 

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3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The grades we are getting post draft are completely dependent on people's opinions on Josh Allen, which is dumb. Kiper gives us an A because he likes Josh, other analyst are giving us bad grades because they hate Josh. 

 

Reminds me of my old high school English teacher who would give you an A if you agreed with her, and would give you a C at best if you presented a differing opinion. 

 

The fact is there were 15-2O really great players in this draft...and we got two of them. We also got a top fifty player at ninety six. To me that's pretty good. We filled the two biggest issues this franchise has. 

I could give it an A for value and need.
How it pans out is for another day

9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....LMAO.....a little dab will do ya..................

 

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You Old Guys ! I am more from the Aqua Velva reign.  Just a splash !

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