Captain Murica Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I'll go against the grain and say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, klos63 said: Yes they should have, and they were. They qualified according to NFL rules. Sure but were they REALLY a playoff team? Even though they made the playoffs and played a playoff game, were they a playoff team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I’m going to say yes we are. We made it with Brokerod and he’s terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, klos63 said: Yes they should have, and they were. They qualified according to NFL rules. 1 minute ago, nucci said: Sure but were they REALLY a playoff team? Even though they made the playoffs and played a playoff game, were they a playoff team? The answer is no. McD tried to throw the season by starting Peterman, but after his disaster of a start he was left with no choice but to go back to TT.. The D played out of their mind the first 6 8 games. Then the Bills schedule at the end of the season made the playoffs realistic... But they were no way a playoff team. Right now the roster has no talent. Backups at LB and WR, only 1 legit starter on the Dline. below average Oline, no depth at RB(and old). ? at QB... this is a 4-6 win team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, nucci said: Sure but were they REALLY a playoff team? Even though they made the playoffs and played a playoff game, were they a playoff team? here's how I look at it They have been in the hunt for the prior 2 or 3 seasons. They needed TT to get the passing game going to make a strong(er) pust and it didn't come to fruition. So, with a bit of help the Bills backed into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: The answer is no. McD tried to throw the season by starting Peterman, but after his disaster of a start he was left with no choice but to go back to TT.. The D played out of their mind the first 6 8 games. Then the Bills schedule at the end of the season made the playoffs realistic... But they were no way a playoff team. Right now the roster has no talent. Backups at LB and WR, only 1 legit starter on the Dline. below average Oline, no depth at RB(and old). ? at QB... this is a 4-6 win team But they made the playoffs, so they were a playoff team....I know this because I watched the game 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: We don't have the talent he benefited from in Cincy here (yet). A group of AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohammed Sanu, Tyler Eifert, Jeremy Hill, and Gio Bernard can make poor look average and make average look good. Yet he still threw for under 200 or less yds in all three of his starts. Dalton only did that once that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: The answer is no. McD tried to throw the season by starting Peterman, but after his disaster of a start he was left with no choice but to go back to TT.. The D played out of their mind the first 6 8 games. Then the Bills schedule at the end of the season made the playoffs realistic... But they were no way a playoff team. Right now the roster has no talent. Backups at LB and WR, only 1 legit starter on the Dline. below average Oline, no depth at RB(and old). ? at QB... this is a 4-6 win team I still say Hughes is a legit starter for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 They certainly can be a playoff team with AJ, but they still need a few more pieces for it to happen. The Bills broke the playoff drought more from the play of their Defense than their offense. Star should help their porous run D, but they still need some LBs and CBs. On O, they need a WR2. Given those additions, there's no reason why AJ can't take them to the playoffs. His 2015 season provides a glimpse of his capabilities. In the games he started, they easily beat SF (a bad team), they lost in OT at Denver, and they beat Balt at home. They almost came back to beat Pitt in Pitt. I think it's clear he can lead an offense and score points, and he has a knack for comebacks. With an improved run D, AJ can lead the team to the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Sure.... IF the rest of the AFC sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No. the number of rancid teams that don't deserve to be out there may be more than half in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: I still say Hughes is a legit starter for us Agreed, but hes horrible against the run, he should be more of s situational guy.. either way 2 of 4 lineman isnt good lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Ridiculous to answer yes or no at this point. We really don’t know what we have in AJ: he could be an upgrade over Tyrod, or not. And of course we don’t have a clue what the Bills will do with all those draft picks. The “trade up at all cost” crowd will say no, but that’s the answer that fits their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 53 minutes ago, dbflaBill said: The answer is no. McD tried to throw the season by starting Peterman, but after his disaster of a start he was left with no choice but to go back to TT.. The D played out of their mind the first 6 8 games. Then the Bills schedule at the end of the season made the playoffs realistic... But they were no way a playoff team. Right now the roster has no talent. Backups at LB and WR, only 1 legit starter on the Dline. below average Oline, no depth at RB(and old). ? at QB... this is a 4-6 win team This is confusing- So who was a playoff team last season and who wasn't? I don't get what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 We are a playoff team with AJ McCarron in exactly the same way we were a playoff team with Tyrod Taylor and Kyle Orton: a team that probably will project as a 7-9 (8-8 at best). Therefore, in the mix for a wild card but not the division (unless Brady goes down for a lot of games), and if certain things break our way (and break the wrong way for other wild card competitors) we can sneak in. And that is not meant to be a pessimistic take. I thoroughly enjoyed last season, in spite of (or maybe because of?) all the ups and downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: We are a playoff team with AJ McCarron in exactly the same way we were a playoff team with Tyrod Taylor and Kyle Orton: a team that probably will project as a 7-9 (8-8 at best). Therefore, in the mix for a wild card but not the division (unless Brady goes down for a lot of games), and if certain things break our way (and break the wrong way for other wild card competitors) we can sneak in. And that is not meant to be a pessimistic take. I thoroughly enjoyed last season, in spite of (or maybe because of?) all the ups and downs. i think this is a very realistic take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: We are a playoff team with AJ McCarron in exactly the same way we were a playoff team with Tyrod Taylor and Kyle Orton: a team that probably will project as a 7-9 (8-8 at best). Therefore, in the mix for a wild card but not the division (unless Brady goes down for a lot of games), and if certain things break our way (and break the wrong way for other wild card competitors) we can sneak in. And that is not meant to be a pessimistic take. I thoroughly enjoyed last season, in spite of (or maybe because of?) all the ups and downs. assuming the Jets and Fish don't bother trying to become a good team they've behaved very well in step with the Bills for 20 years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, teef said: i think this is a very realistic take. it's a whole lot better than a simple yes or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 How in the heck would anyone possibly know? AJ has done nothing in the NFL to date...but then again neither had Dak or Russell when they took over their teams before they were expected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How in the heck would anyone possibly know? AJ has done nothing in the NFL to date...but then again neither had Dak or Russell when they took over their teams before they were expected to. also .... Neither did TT when he first came and a lot of Bills fans thought they would be back then. I guess we need to let the optimists dream and pessimists doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How in the heck would anyone possibly know? AJ has done nothing in the NFL to date...but then again neither had Dak or Russell when they took over their teams before they were expected to. you have absolutely no thoughts on the strength of the Bills as a playoff team right now? do you know what the purpose of a thread where fans gather to shoot the breeze is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I would say ABSOLUTELY !! AJ is a winner , has won (given the chance) every where he has been i just think he needs to be given a legit chance like the Bills did Tyrod ! I just hope this wouldn't turn into the same situation as the Flutie/Johnson thing did !! That being said i think (no disrespect intended) cooler heads reside over this situation ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: you have absolutely no thoughts on the strength of the Bills as a playoff team right now? do you know what the purpose of a thread where fans gather to shoot the breeze is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 duh.... how can you people talk about what the team will do next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: How in the heck would anyone possibly know? AJ has done nothing in the NFL to date...but then again neither had Dak or Russell when they took over their teams before they were expected to. Right. We don’t know. But the question is an objective one, which I take to mean: “based on what we know today, do the Bills project as a playoff team?” We know that with last year’s roster and TT at QB we were solidly average. There’ve been some additions and subtractions other than at QB; if TT were back at QB, I’d say 8-8. I like McCarron smbetter than TT because, as always, the devil you don’t know has a higher upside. He also has a lower downside. Since the market for TT was clearly stronger than that for AJ, unless I assume that I am smarter than the collective wisdom of NFL GMs, I have to assume that the consensus is that TT is better right now. But the Bills’ situation called for taking the calculated risk. Hence, 7-9 or so makes sense, and I’m hoping that the chance that AJ is considerably better than TT comes true. But those are the facts on the ground right now. All else is wishful thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Bills Fan Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Looper said: Assuming we don't get one of the big 4 QBs, are we a playoff team with A.J. ? Or are we the 2017 Browns and the #1 seed to get Drew Luck, Jacob Eason, or Jarrett Stidham next year ? Is it worth even using a draft pick on Rudolph or Jackson ? NO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: AJ > TT. So it is possible but don't count on the Bengals to save out ass this year. How do you figure this? What has Mccaron proved in this league to say he’s better than a 3 year starter with roughly a .500 record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, row_33 said: you have absolutely no thoughts on the strength of the Bills as a playoff team right now? do you know what the purpose of a thread where fans gather to shoot the breeze is? I propose that all speculative posts be banned. We should only be allowed to post things like: 1. The Bills made the playoffs last year. 2. The Bills draft 12th, and will no doubt select the man they believe is the best player available given their needs. Life will be simpler. We will spend collectively thousands of fewer hours on needless speculation. American productivity will improve. America will ge great. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, row_33 said: duh.... how can you people talk about what the team will do next year? I'm waiting for the annual Predict the Season Record thread to pop up.... (or has it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I think so. If we fill some holes on the D and OL. Yeah, I think we make the playoffs and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) I suppose anything can happen but Mccaron had a chance in free agency to get paid like a starter and teams around the league balked at that. With all the openings and qb needy teams, Mccaron ends up signing a 2 year 10mil deal with the Bills who say he will compete with Peterman for the chance to start. Actual GMs around the NFL told us what they think of Mccaron and that is he is a backup or spot starter. Mccaron is being paid about as low as a veteran qb can be paid. And watching his games I would tend to agree with the NFL executives. There is nothing special about Mccaron as far as arm talent, size or mobility. He looks like and plays like a backup or low end starter. Most of his playing time took place in 2015 with a absolutely loaded wr corps and offense. Dalton put up great numbers that year as well before he got hurt. Bills don’t have AJ Green, Marvin Jones, M. Sanu, and Eifert to make his life easier. Edited March 29, 2018 by racketmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: How do you figure this? What has Mccaron proved in this league to say he’s better than a 3 year starter with roughly a .500 record? the last Bills QB had roughly a .500 record. just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I propose that all speculative posts be banned. We should only be allowed to post things like: 1. The Bills made the playoffs last year. 2. The Bills draft 12th, and will no doubt select the man they believe is the best player available given their needs. Life will be simpler. We will spend collectively thousands of fewer hours on needless speculation. American productivity will improve. America will ge great. Again. or you could continue to do so, as many have this time of year. this has helped some for me. You've chosen to ignore content by row_33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Looper said: Assuming we don't get one of the big 4 QBs, are we a playoff team with A.J. ? Or are we the 2017 Browns and the #1 seed to get Drew Luck, Jacob Eason, or Jarrett Stidham next year ? Is it worth even using a draft pick on Rudolph or Jackson ? Neither. In fact, if we have to sell too many draft picks in order (especially) to get Rosen that is the end game/last one to leave turn out the lights. We will have entered the Dark Ages of Buffalo history. None of the available rookies are Franchise/lead zeros to heroes guys. Feh. Maybe Mayfield but I doubt that too. I like AJ a lot and I think he'll be hard pressed to lead this talentless group to the playoffs - unless those first six picks deliver "gold, Jerry, gold". On the whole I think Bills fans are wildly overly optimistic for what we have on the roster now - leading to questions just like Looper's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: or you could continue to do so, as many have this time of year. this has helped some for me. You've chosen to ignore content by row_33. Yeah. I should have used the sarcasm font. To be clear: the speculation is what makes the offseason interesting! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 2 hours ago, dbflaBill said: Proving my point that you know nothing. 2 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: AJ has more playoff touchdowns than TT. Proving the point that you are the know nothing. AJ has a passing playoff touchdown and TT has zero. Before you criticize someone make sure of your facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 No. I expect the team would take a step or two backwards with Mccarron as starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflaBill Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 minute ago, simpleman said: Proving the point that you are the know nothing. AJ has a passing playoff touchdown and TT has zero. Before you criticize someone make sure of your facts. What does that prove? Doesnt prove/mean a damn thing. TT has been a starter the last 3 years while McCarron has been sitting the bench behind an average QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the last Bills QB had roughly a .500 record. just saying That’s what I’m saying. Tyrod for 3 years had roughly a .500 record. Mccaron has played what, 4 or 5 games in his career? And that’s because dalton was hurt, he didn’t earn it. Will he be better? Maybe. Maybe not. But as of now to claim he’s better than TT is ridiculous as he has done absolutely nothing to earn that Edited March 29, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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