gobills1212 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I would point out again that Foles, Keenum and Bortles were starters in the championship games. Maybe it's an outlier, maybe it's a trend. That would be the afore mentioned 1 yr wonder. It happens... but I don't want to have everything go our way 1 yr and then back to avg.. I want to try and find the guy who makes it on the regular. It's a rare and special thing.. but When ya hit it's gotta b o so nice:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yesterday I was crafting this, but did not want to jinx us, so I didn't submit. I some what hope Buffalo can swing a trade with the Giants, but I am not sure they will? Question now is do they move to Denver's #5 (Allen or Mayfield?) if they are willing which I doubt or Giants #2 (Rosen) and give away next years #1 on top of most of our 1st 3 rounds this year. Puke! 1. Browns should take QB #1 (Darnold), because it will push the panic button for the #2 and #3 picks as the Jets and Bills fight it out. 2. The Giants want QB (Darnold), but settle for Saquon Barkley if they are stuck with pick and their guy isn't there, unless they are offered a serious ton of draft capital from the Bills or Jets like a #1 next year plus more. Josh Rosen is Manning 2.0 (smooth arm movement but throws a wobbler on film), so that is possible too. 3A. This makes #3 trade down gold.The Colts should trade with the Jets and grab their #2 to land a blue chipper and still get a beast on defense without having to drop to #12. They need draft picks, because of Cap hell. I think there is a secret plan to draft Baker Mayfield, so they may stay put or trade with Cleveland to leapfrog Denver. I think the Colts could still land Chubb here at #6. 3B. However, If I were Buffalo I would swing a deal with SF to #9 ASAP and give them a late #3 to gain leverage, because they do not have a #2 from the Jimmy Garoppolo trade and it would still give the Colts a great prospect on Defense or at Guard in the top 10. Trading to #3 from #9 would cost the Bills either our #22 or both 2nd round picks + change. I would rather keep #22 to land a great MLB since there are 3 elite ones, but I think Indy wants #22. I think we lose out and cannot move down to get our guy! 4. Bills really like Josh Allen and gamble on a bust? Prediction Cleveland - Darnold Giants - Rosen (Manning 2.0) Jets - Mayfield Browns - Barkley/Minkah Fitzpatrick or we secretly like Josh Allen Denver - Josh Allen (Elway 2.0) Chubb .... .... #12 Bills decide to take Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech or Roquan Smith, Georgia .... skip to #22 Bills Select Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: You cannot take that chance Cleveland is a lock to go QB at one, ditto for NYJ at 3. Denver is 90% at 5. Do you feel safe that neither NYG or Miami will take your guy, and that none of Arizona, Baltimore, LAC, or Pittsburgh will move ahead of you? You don't know who they like, nor do I, nor does anyone else here. Up till this morning everyone has liked what Beane has done. And now because another team makes a trade Beane is a bum? Come on. He is in position to do whatever he thinks is the right thing for the franchise. Let him do his job instead of assuming a bunch of stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: I can't see an OG ever going #2 overall. I don't care if he comes into the league already wearing a gold jacket and plays for 15 years. That's too high a spot to draft an interior OL.... This trade pushes him down the board and makes it easier for NYG to pick up some more picks and get to 7 or so to grab him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: You either go to 2 and get your guy, or you go to 4 and take whoever is left of Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen Sorry I meant the Giants, I'm not convinced they are going to draft a QB. As for as the Bills, I've said already that the goal should be #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, gobills1212 said: I think it has something to do w that method has been tried multiple times and you might get lucky 1 yr but w out a fqb, there won't be any staying power. Great teams have great qbs. This team has infused rosters w talent all to see it go for not...bc they came up short at the most important position. **edit- it's the QB... the qb is the most important position**** I see the logic and agree to an extent but there's not a clear cut QB that is going to be a franchise guy, let alone a starter. The risk is huge, the reward is huge as well. We watched 3 non franchise QB have their teams within a game of the SB... If you have great talent throughout the team, you don't need spectacular QB play to succeed. Beane doesn't strike me as a guy who is willing to take such an extreme risk. There's no Andrew Luck , Cam Newton , Wentz out there. . There's alot of question marks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: That feels like a move for Rosen. Darnold 1, Barkley 2, Rosen 3 Yup. They had a ton of people at Rosen's pro day. Darnold #1 Rosen #3 (unless someone trades up to #2, and that could end up being the Jets, too). Mayfield #5 Maybe we get really lucky and the Jets fall in love with Allen... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...has anybody seen McBeane's official definition of a "franchise QB" so we can realistically compare HIS definition to the roster of candidates?.....nothing yet in my Funk & Wagnalls....from him or anybody.... I posted it before, but basically it is Rosen, Darnold or Allen...Big guy stays in pocket can see over the linemen very good arm accurate good zip on the ball for tight spaces... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: You think Beane is snoozing? He knows exactly what he's doing. Look at what the Jets paid to move from 6 to 3. Now imagine what the Colts were asking from the Bills. Should have gotten Cousins. If he trades for #2 SOON, then no, he would be not be snoozing. Edited March 17, 2018 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I'm one of those who does ZERO research on college football to have any idea on which QB fits best as a Bill. I just read comments here from you guys and go with the majority vote. So here's my question: After the move the Jets made and if the Giants plan on taking a QB, do you think maybe shopping our 22nd pick this year for a 1st round pick in next years' draft would be a good idea? That way we can hopefully land a stud this year in whatever position and just see how McCarron fairs with all the ammunition he'll have with our current roster and our final roster postdraft. What you think? We made the playoffs with Tyrod throwing for 150 yards a game on average. Are you guys really sold on this years QB class? (Serious question) Does next years QB class seem better? (Another serious question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL 2m2 minutes ago Saquon Barkley played in 38 college football games. He failed to get to 100 yards rushing in 23 of them. (61%) Josh Allen started 26 games at Wyoming. He failed to throw for 300 or more yards in 25 of them (96%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BBillsWestCoast said: Prediction Cleveland - Darnold Giants - Rosen (Manning 2.0) Jets - Mayfield Browns - Barkley/Minkah Fitzpatrick or we secretly like Josh Allen Denver - Josh Allen (Elway 2.0) Chubb .... .... #12 Bills decide to take Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech or Roquan Smith, Georgia .... skip to #22 Bills Select That prediction feels increasingly likely to me as well. If Allen fell to 22, would he be considered a "good value" pick??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: I see the logic and agree to an extent but there's not a clear cut QB that is going to be a franchise guy, let alone a starter. The risk is huge, the reward is huge as well. We watched 3 non franchise QB have their teams within a game of the SB... If you have great talent throughout the team, you don't need spectacular QB play to succeed. Beane doesn't strike me as a guy who is willing to take such an extreme risk. There's no Andrew Luck , Cam Newton , Wentz out there. . There's alot of question marks Wentz was a huge gamble...the definition of extreme risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) The constant belief the Giants want to move out of #2 is nauseating. Look how much the Jets just gave up to move a few spots. We control nothing at this point other than the #12 pick. we call the Giants and theyre going to want both our 1st round picks. Our 2nd round pick. And probably our 1st round pick next year. No thanks. Edited March 17, 2018 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, McBean said: Man, it’s hard to think positive right now about this. I don’t see anyway we don’t end up with the 4th best QB tops right now. We need to get to #2 or #4 to avoid the 4th best QB. But, maybe the 4th QB is #1 or #2 on our list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: You don't know who they like, nor do I, nor does anyone else here. Up till this morning everyone has liked what Beane has done. And now because another team makes a trade Beane is a bum? Come on. He is in position to do whatever he thinks is the right thing for the franchise. Let him do his job instead of assuming a bunch of stuff. When did I say anything even remotely negative about Beane? I'm not assuming anything either. The reality is that assuming anyone that you like will be there at 12 is tantamount to believing yourself to be the smartest person in the room...and that's dumb 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Sorry I meant the Giants, I'm not convinced they are going to draft a QB. As for as the Bills, I've said already that the goal should be #2. Right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: That prediction feels increasingly likely to me as well. If Allen fell to 22, would he be considered a "good value" pick??? He won't fall past Miami or Arizona. He would be considered a top 10 in other drafts. Think Bortholes and Rothlesbooger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: It almost comes down to Foles with or 22nd pick to the Eagles or Mason or Jackson? I think I would go with Foles... I would rather wait to see how the draft plays out. Say we grab Jackson at 22, if it's clear none of those three QBs have what it takes to lead the Bills, then I'd sign Foles next year as an UFA. No need to give up draft compensation. I'm also on record for not wanting to mortgage our entire draft for the #2 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And there goes our QB unless you go to Two. It is were a team has to move to guarantee the 2nd QB in a draft. Sitting with #21 and #22 to begin was never a position of strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: When did I say anything even remotely negative about Beane? I'm not assuming anything either. The reality is that assuming anyone that you like will be there at 12 is tantamount to believing yourself to be the smartest person in the room...and that's dumb Right on What if he really likes Rudolph? He'll be there at 12. Just as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...has anybody seen McBeane's official definition of a "franchise QB" so we can realistically compare HIS definition to the roster of candidates?.....nothing yet in my Funk & Wagnalls....from him or anybody.... http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2017/07/buffalo_bills_gm_brandon_beane_describes_what_he_looks_for_in_franchise_quarterb.html So what does Beane look for in a quarterback? "Obviously, you draw them up, from a physical standpoint, they look like Cam (Newton)," Beane said. "But how many are there like that? You want a guy, the stature, the height, you know, they're standing over, they're not worried about linemen in their face. It gives them the vision and all that. Arm strength. But the one thing that people I think miss a little bit when they're watching, you know, the college game schematically has just been so dummied down that these guys know before the ball's snapped right where they're going. There's no progressions. There's no audibiling. That's the challenge that the college guys have, and it's brutal. And these quarterbacks that are getting drafted high that have never taken a snap from center, have never called an audible. That's tough. The intangibles are the other thing that you can't necessarily measure from the film. I can turn on the film and watch some things. You obviously want to see quarterbacks live, but what's this guy's makeup? What's his leadership? Do guys rally behind him? I go back to Carolina. Jake Delhomme, one of the greatest leaders I've ever been around. He was undrafted. The guy willed himself to lead the team the years he was in Carolina. His intangibles were a 12 on a one-to-10 scale. And that's how he overcame his athletic limitations. I kind of went around the question a little bit, but you're looking for a lot of things, some of it physically we can all see. But a lot of it you can't necessarily see." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: Well that's disappointing. And looks like I'm right...YET AGAIN. Whoever the guy was that said 4QB weren't going in the top ten...own up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: It is were a team has to move to guarantee the 2nd QB in a draft. Sitting with #21 and #22 to begin was never a position of strength. But we are not sitting with 21 and 22 we have 12 and 22 two 2nds two 3rds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 ...great theater today.....the ".OBD St. Patrick's Day Massacre" unfolds...........outta popcorn and Depends already...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I don't think so.... Giants havenot had an good OL in a few years...Nelson is their target. Dave G says he believes in building lines with big nasties.... Didn't the Giants just make G Norwell the highest paid G in football, also they re-signed C Weston Richburg, it's quite possible the Giants will take the QB of the future. I hope our GM can now convince the Giants to move down the board, it might not even be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: IF the Jets get the right guy. IF. Why do so many here think there is a sure fire guy in this draft? IF Beane thinks there is, I suspect he'll go get him. If not and he thinks the six guys at the top are equal then he gets one where he is. No one knows who the best guys will be yet. Clearly none of them are like a Luck or Manning or Elway. Quit assuming they are. How many times do people have to explain this? It's not about getting a SURE FIRE guy!!!!!!!!!!! There is ONE POSITION in the entire NFL that can single-handedly transform a bottom-feeder into a contender. There is ONE POSITION in the NFL that can dominate the league for 10-15 years. There is ONE POSITION in the NFL that can make everyone around him better. Let me give you a hint. It's not a Linebacker. It's not an Offensive Tackle. It's not a Wide Receiver or a Tight End. It's not a Cornerback or a Safety. The Jets can make strong draft picks every single year, and I couldn't care less. Having a strong roster does not make them a long-term threat. At the end of the day, building a roster without a Quarterback is a waste of time. Maybe who they get turns out to be Mark Sanchez, and we get lucky. But maybe he turns out to be Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Ben Roethlisberger, etc., etc. In which case, they will be a legitimate team to contend with until 2030. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The sky is falling, the sky is falling ... 1. Browns - Barkley 2. Giants - Rosen 3. Jests - Mayfield 4. Browns - Darnold 5. Broncos - Nelson 6. Colts - Chubb 7. Bucs - Fitzpatrick 8. Bills - Allen 9. 49ers - Edmunds 10. Raiders - Smith 22. Bills - Evans - MLB - Alabama 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, JayBaller10 said: I would rather wait to see how the draft plays out. Say we grab Jackson at 22, if it's clear none of those three QBs have what it takes to lead the Bills, then I'd sign Foles next year as an UFA. No need to give up draft compensation. I'm also on record for not wanting to mortgage our entire draft for the #2 pick. The draft compensation is Jackson then. The ? is whom is likely to be better Foles or Jackson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: What if he really likes Rudolph? He'll be there at 12. Just as an example. If Rudolph is truly his guy, and he believes that he's the only one that values him that highly, then he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. And that's dumb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Glad we didn't take the bait; for us to have matched the Jets it would have cost probably something on the order of both our firsts this year, one of our seconds, and next year's first. Absurd, and especially for a QB that no matter who you pick is no better a chance to make in this league than Blake Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Jets did such an amazing job. They can trade Bridgewater next year if he plays well. They win even if we trade to #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Perhaps I'm the only one that doesn't see this as a big deal Either move to 2 and take your guy, or move to 4 and take whoever is left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Real McCoy said: The draft compensation is Jackson then. The ? is whom is likely to be better Foles or Jackson? Hard to see a trade for Foles now. We got our vet backup. Frankly, I kind of want to see what Mccarron can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Didn't the Giants just make G Norwell the highest paid G in football, also they re-signed C Weston Richburg, it's quite possible the Giants will take the QB of the future. I hope our GM can now convince the Giants to move down the board, it might not even be possible. Norwell went to Jax and Richburg is with SF They got Nate Solder as a LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 For what it's worth, Charlie Campbell reported a few months ago that the guy that told him the Jets wanted Hackenburg hinted that the Jets badly wanted Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Based on the math the Jets paid roughly a 25% premium. The Bills would be looking at 12, 22, 53, 56 and a 2019 2nd. It’s a giant price now. More like a 60% premium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BBillsWestCoast said: Jets did such an amazing job. They can trade Bridgewater next year if he plays well. They win even if we trade to #2. Teddy is a UFA in 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, peterpan said: I cannot fathom Rosen falling to 3 in any scenario. I totally think Rosen will fall to #3. Maybe #4 or #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 This is crushing because unless the Browns are willing to trade down from 1 or the Giants from 2 this team will likely not land a top QB and will have to settle for a QB that falls to 12 or 22. The Colts were always going to be the spot for a trade up and now that spot is going to pick a QB. My hope is that the Browns take Barkley at number 1 and the Giants sell their pick off to build the roster around Eli Manning for the next 2-3 years trying to get one last run out of him. 12, 22, 53, 65, 96, and a pick next year would be a kings ransom that would allow the Giants to more easily rebuild around Eli and set a foundation for years to come. But if the Giants want a QB they simply can't pass up the opportunity to draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: But we are not sitting with 21 and 22 we have 12 and 22 two 2nds two 3rds I understand. We moved to 12 and it was great. 12 is not enticing to a team sitting at 2 or 3. IF Beane is trying to get to 2 he may have no choice to move again up to 7 or 8. My point is not about the Bill's it's about the teams at 2 or 3 and what they want. It's always been about them and not the Bill's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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