26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 This would more than likely be a draft day deal with teams waiting to see how the board falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Actually if Gettleman wants Nelson, we could slide to 6 or 7 and give him that pick. This actually makes it easier for the Giants to slide down the board and get Nelson, who I think is their target.... That's why I think a trade up with Tampa makes a ton of sense. They can't get Chubb now with Indy dropping to 6. Get to 7, then make it happen and the Giants can still draft Nelson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rockinon said: Jets gave up an awful lot to get there. Glad that wasn't us. Beane isn't going to overpay. I'm completely OK with this. We aren't making knuckleheaded decisions. Can't believe how many people are melting down right now. Well because we all know that franchise QB's do not fall past the 3rd ( overall) pick , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, drf1835 said: Stop with the fear, anger, sadness, concern and emotion everyone. Emotions cloud judgement. Trust the process. Here are my two cents on Brandon Beane, his philosophy, and his views on the draft. My opinion is based on the things he has said, in the past and more recently, his personality through my analysis, and from credible information I have seen, and from his recent experiences in his trades and free agent pick ups. First of all, Beane seems very smart, orderly, meticulous, patient if need be, and honest. This does not mean he cannot have secrets, or change his plan, but it just means that what you see and hear about him is what you get. He is not going to let emotion cloud his judgement, act in haste, or let any one opinion be the basis for his decisions. He will scrutinize things, take numerous things into consideration, and prioritize. He will not necessarily go with the masses, as he is a leader and confident in himself and the process, but although he trusts his own judgements, he will combine those and what he believes in with the judgements and opinions of those he trusts, to form a more well informed decision. Look how he handled the AJ McCarron situation. He was patient, trusted his philosophy and the process, did not want to over pay for others, or succumb to that hype, and he let the chips fall into line for him. The early bird does not always get the worm, but the turd as I have said before. He watched all the game tapes he said, and all his plays, made several calls to those who knew AJ closely, and he liked what he saw and heard. When the timing was right, he knew what to say to AJ, as he knew what AJ wanted to hear, and as he speaks the truth anyway, basically saying, ‘I can promise you only one thing, that you will compete to be the guy.’ He did not promise it would lead to long term, but just that he would get that chance to play, if he were the best, but suggesting he could not promise more. So, in my opinion, and as the highly respected executives in the nfl community would and have corroborated, Mr. Beane has all the qualities in a gm one would want, and if you combine also his self-motivated demeanor, and his desire to not rest off his laurels, but to keep driving for the team to be even better, regardless how good or great it is, and combine that with what he has said in the press and not said about his draft intentions, as he does not want to advertise everything, and as he does not know yet everything that will transpire, the below is what will likely happen in my opinion, and what has already been done. (1) I believe Beane because of his orderly, honest and prioritizing ways, and from what he has said, likely had indeed decided to put most of his priorities first in the free agent market, as he said, and as he knew that was the most urgent, then, to pick up players that could fill a role on our team, and as he knows we cannot draft enough good players to fill all those holes. He thus focused on positions of need first, through free agency and trades, and did not want to obsess about the draft until now, nor gobble up popular free agent quarterback guys at high cost, as he knew we would likely draft a QB relatively high, in round one, and did not want to commit long term to another player at that position. (2) In the meantime, Beane and staff had preliminary shorter meetings with the top quarterback draft prospects, among others, and got some additional information about them from looking at some game tapes and talking to some others. This basic information was needed to at least get a general idea of what could happen in the draft, regarding a possible move up or down, or with general preliminary expectation to keep the draft picks at 21 and 22. (3) Once Beane and company likely saw some preliminary intrigue and interest in one or more of the top rated quarterbacks, he decided to move up some, by getting rid of one or more players that he thought was no longer of prime need on the team, thinking he could do better. Moving up to a reasonable position would give a good chance that one of the quarterbacks or linebackers they were preliminarily moderate to high on, etc would be available at now pick 12, and it would free up some cap room space worries, too. (4) Now that free agency is almost done in their eyes, as Beane said, the attention can be to scrutinize those nfl draft prospects of moderate to high interest more, through in-depth personal interviews and workouts with them, and getting more detailed information from more sources about them, as players could be labeled as one way, but come across totally a different way. Sometimes one has to sift through the truth, and make their own judgements on character, but at other times accept that past red flags in the past or shown in other environments could mean more of the same in the future. So, it may come down to game tapes, and their own interview and tryout evaluations with that player, and decisions regarding their beliefs of him either changing, and maturing, or with them seeing enough positive in that behavior and with belief the talent reward offsets the risks, or being positive and seeing his strengths that would fit the Bills need for a QB, etc, as each team has their own specific needs and philosophy, regarded what a leader is, their culture of players, and how that player could best help their team with their strengths.. (5) “Right now” I think Beane is content with staying at 12 and 21, and keeping the two 2nd and 3rd rounders too, even if the Jets to #3 reports are true, as he wants as many high rated players on their board as possible, to fill up their remaining position needs, and he is not into any premature hype, nor will let emotion, fear or other emotions, others’ actions or events cloud much his process or judgement. (6) However, as Beane already likely knows what generally it could take to move up further, after general or preliminary talks with some of the teams who pick higher, and seeing that points formula to move up and what is expected or required for that, and after seeing others move in the draft higher, if after Beane and his staff do all their detailed and extensive homework on the draft players that they had enough interest in or coveted, and they feel that this player or two could possibly change drastically positively their team drastically in their eyes, for long duration, and they know that player will likely not be available at the 12 or 21 position, of course they may want to move up further. Otherwise, if they see no urgency to move higher, as the belief is none of the top 4 quarterbacks warrants that higher draft value or stands out much above the others to fit the Bills, or with belief a good one will be there at 12 or 21 anyway, they thus will stay put at their draft positions. (7) The Bills could see 6 quarterbacks as not much different, in terms of reward and risk, or with regards to value at where they would pick them, if you add Jackson and Randolph, so whoever of that bunch falls to them may be ok to them, if their analysis soon of each of the top four too shows that each has too much hype or risk, or not much guarantee. Only if a Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, and/ or Allen seemed like cannot misses to them, could perhaps they want to give up much draft capital. Getting AJ McCaron likely gives them some relief knowing any quarterback in the draft does not have to start right away. The Bills may think Rudolph or Jackson at 21 gives them better value than the others, with at linebacker at 12 making more sense, or if a higher rated linebacker or other position dropped to 12. Who knows, until Beane and company do the full evaluation of these players that intrigue them or that they preliminarily covet, until having longer meetings with them. One or more players may not even want to play in the cold or with Buffalo, or have a bad attitude talking to them.. We cannot assume anything. Beane picks up on small details, and one very important detail he uncovers could throw him off into another direction, or sway him from being on the fence towards a player, to instead being more positive in the direction of that player. I feel Beane though will likely look at everything, and not require perfection, as that does not exist to him. He knows persons can get better, and that learning from mistakes can occur. In the end, Beane and staff obviously will shore up as best as possible the remaining positions of need through the draft. He will prioritize and take the players that provide expected good to great value to the team, and hope that all his choices were good decisions, but knows that may not be possible, as things happen and a college star dies not equate always to an nfl star. By being very detailed, patient, analytical, hardworking, and not playing all his cards, yet being true to himself, his character and his philosophy, I feel he will make more hits than misses. His free agency moves and other things he says and has done shows Beane has an orderly plan, and prior trades shows he has courage to shake things up, so I think we are in good hands with Beane. I will support whatever choices he makes, as nobody knows how any of these players will turn out. They would be just guesses. I feel we have a guy with a vision, as does McDermott, and he can sift out the hype and emotion and used sound reasoning and good to great decisions based on much unbiased information, and use a methodical but savvy process to get us further, yet at the same time if he feels strongly about a player, after all his homework and analysis, and others’ input, I feel he would not be afraid to do what it reasonably takes to get him, regardless what anyone here thinks, though I think he would put at least some small value on our opinions, and recent moves by other teams, as his ego is not that huge to discount totally other opinions and happenings based on what I see and hear.. But, like Marv Levy said, if a coach starts listening to the fans, he might as well sit with them. Sometimes, leading is thinking outside the box or going against the grain, or being patient. I didn't read any of that. All I took away is your an ass for using a font that big. Like the rest of us are simple and just going to read it because of BIG LETTERS!! I CAN'T IGNORE THE CAPS OR THE BIG LETTERS!!! THEY MAKE ALL MY STUPID POINTS BETTER!!! for !@#$s sake man. Edited March 17, 2018 by Ol Dirty B 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Elite Poster said: Same type of snark comment I got when I said waiting on a QB was stupid in 2004. Same comment I got when I said trading down in the first for a QB makes no sense, it only shows that you know you have them over-valued and if you don't believe in your own pick, then why will they pan out. Same comment I got when I said trading back was a massive mistake last year when we had the choice of Watson and Mahomes AT OUR PICK. Cool, we have Tre White for 3 years until he demands to be paid top dollar in the league and we are still searching for a QB. All I'm saying is I don't know how this is going to all play out. And you seem to feel you do, because of JP Losman and reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I always thought we were going to trade to #2. This trade pisses me off not because I don't think we're getting there, but because I now have to sit around for weeks annoyed by it til we make a move and now I'm worried someone else will trade up to get to 2 before we've settled on our guy. If we are in the ballpark on a trade up to 2 you have to get it done now. You can't play this out anymore. That's what this trade did, before we were sitting there with 2 / 3/ 4 all in play to potentially get our guy. Now it's down to 2, maybe 4, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: That's why I think a trade up with Tampa makes a ton of sense. They can't get Chubb now with Indy dropping to 6. Get to 7, then make it happen and the Giants can still draft Nelson. This is the move and I wonder if beane is playing it out like this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It would be so Jets if they are trading up for Barkley or Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Ol Dirty B said: I didn't read any of that. All I took away is your an ass for using that don't. Like the rest of us are simple and just going to read it because of BIG LETTERS!! I CAN'T IGNORE THE CAPS OR THE BIG LETTERS!!! THEY MAKE ALL MY STUPID POINTS BETTER!!! for !@#$s sake man. For the first time in this thread, we agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Trading up only works if you have a willing partner. 12 was probably too far back for the Colts to agree. It may also be the case for the Giants. Trust the Process... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: I know a lot of you are desperate for a QB, I am too, but unless you have a crystal ball and know for sure Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield are bound for the HOF, you need to chill. It's quite possible another QB in this draft goes on to have a better career than any of those three. Don't give up the farm if the Giants want a King's ransom. No one will die if Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield are all chosen by teams other than the Bills. It all depends on how McBeane have the QBs graded. The grading of the QBs and how many of the QBs interest the Bills will dictate what the FO does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zebrastripes Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rockinon said: Mortgaging the whole team for one pick is fail thinking. Jets are going to suck this year. Not when that 1 pick could be your franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: All these "trust the process" kool aid drinkers who are over the moon because we happened to get lucky that 9-7 qualified for the playoffs with tiebreakers falling our way can take a hike. Unless we've got a deal in place for #2, we are going to be a day late and a dollar short when it comes to QB yet again. Exactly. We were lucky to get in with not that talented a roster and not that young either. I understand being patient but in our case being patient and waiting for a qb isnt going to work. Someone else will jump you and thats exactly what just happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: All these "trust the process" kool aid drinkers who are over the moon because we happened to get lucky that 9-7 qualified for the playoffs with tiebreakers falling our way can take a hike. Unless we've got a deal in place for #2, we are going to be a day late and a dollar short when it comes to QB yet again. Really? It's way to early to resort to "kool-aid" insults. Beane has not been here for a few years to warrant that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If the Bills are going to 2, it has to happen soon. The Giants are now in the prime spot that will have probably 5 teams or so gunning for it. I think the Giants want Barkley, so to convince them to move out the top 10 will cost a ton, but you have to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: This is just not true. They actually tried to get 1 and 2. It's not like they targeted 3. They targeted 1 and 2 but had to settle for 3. Maybe they didn't like the price of 1 or 2 but liked 3 Edited March 17, 2018 by Cheektowaga Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: No issue with the cost to move up, you do what you need to do. Just believe the timing allows other teams to make offers to the browns or giants that they can't refuse and the jets get jumped True but they own 3. What if they are fine with 2-3 prospects and now guaranteed to land one. I'm sure Jets fans are happy right now. They have so much cap to address their lost 2nd rd picks. Edited March 17, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 ...we're in the perfect windfall position...Jesters get their franchise guy, release Petty & Hackenburg, we sign 'em both and McBeane doesn't have to use a pick on QB....we'd be set for 10+ years.......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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