Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is getting comical ... The Jets blinked. The Bills didn't. What is comical is that the Jets blinked for the third time, in less than a week, at the same position. They didn't sign Kirk Cousins - holding their offer at $30 when another $1 or $2MM probably gets it done. OK, maybe he signs for a winner but at least he was considering them. They then sign $15MM worth of backups, instead of just spending some reasonable money on a guy that's led his team to the playoffs, then They overspend to move up 3 spots to get the QB they should have handled the first time, or could have handled the second time ... but now have basically stripped away any possibility of rebuilding internally. I keep saying it and Buffalo fans have no comparison. The NYJ haven't been to Super Bowl since Joe Namath strictly because they have a culture of being stupid. They've never, ever been right in moving up into the top ten to make a pick. If you fear that McBeane was outmaneuvered by those clowncar occupants then take yourself out to the corner and shoot yourself. You are an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: One game makes him God, obv Whatever, kid. Seems like you aren't interested in examples that don't prove your point of view. Best of luck to you with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: The only thing I can knock him for is not having a rocket for an arm. He still ahs a pro arm and can sling it down the field. He has size, poise in the pocket, intelligence, the clutch factor, accuracy, and he doesn't get rattled against blitzes. With a guy as big as him, you could probably teach him to improve his power another 30% with mechanics. I think Mayfield is the clear #1 with Rudloph/Rosen being the tossup. Rosen more pro ready, but Rudolph having Size and intangibles that Rosen doesn't. I really like Rosen, but the injury that scares me the most is concussions and I believe he had TWO just last year? Hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Fetou said: I think the Bills will need to trade up from 22 if they want to get both Jackson and a top LB prospect. We have the 12 pick. Lamar Jackson might drop to 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Fetou said: I think the Bills will need to trade up from 22 if they want to get both Jackson and a top LB prospect. I think this is true - you can't rely on Jackson getting past Arizona, Baltimore and San Diego. There's very little likelihood the best linebackers fall to 22 either. Thankfully it wouldn't take a lot to move up from 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said: We have the 12 pick. Lamar Jackson might drop to 12. I think he will definitely make it to 12. I guess now that you mention it it wouldn't be the biggest surprise ever if someone took him higher than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think we will have to offer next years 1st, which I would be ok with, but I don’t think McBeane would This where I’m at , and I’m sure most would agree , if Beane truly believes ( let’s say for example Rosen is that guy that could be our franchise QB for the next decade ) and by trading to #2 we can get him , and prevent Jets from getting him as well , then F@$@ DO IT Already ,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Some of you folks are funnier than anything Now that you see that it's going to cost assets to get a QB, all of a sudden QB isn't worth spending assets on You'd rather hope that a 5th round pick and another team's backup that nobody else wanted as a starter will pan out How's that path gone for the last 20 years? I swear some people convinced themselves Beane would be able to trade backup linebackers and guards and "draft day" his way all the way up to #2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Ballin said: We have the 12 pick. Lamar Jackson might drop to 12. Relax everyone. We don't need to move up to 2 (or even 4) to get a QB. Despite the rush to judgment, no one (and I mean no one) knows whether Darnold or Rosen will be better than Mayfield, Jackson or Allen. Last year the two best QB prospects dropped out of the top 9. In a deeper, more talented class, there's no reason to think there won't be very good prospects available at 12 or within striking distance of there--Allen, Rudolph, Mayfield, Jackson all could be available after pick 9. Frankly, I think all four of them are better than Darnold, but that seems to be a minority opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, sven233 said: Whatever it takes for Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. This, in a nutshell, is a flawed approach, IMO. Every amateur armchair GM on this board has their favorite or favorites and thinks that if the Bills don't agree, don't take said player, or fail to pull off a trade for said player then they don't know what they're doing. Odds are that two or all three of these QBs are more likely not to be franchise QBs than all three of them hitting. Posters get so wrapped up in their own convictions on a player(s) that they can't allow for the possibility that they just could be wrong. I like all three of those QBs and I agree that they will probably be good players but the truth is that I honestly don't know...and neither do you or anyone else. The Bills' brain trust is paid to figure out these things and have the time and resources available to them to make the best decision that we as fans do not. The chess match has begun and the Bills end game will be critical. Here's to hoping that they get it right...whether that means trading up or staying put. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Jets blew their load and now the Bills will go to #2 better do it soon before the fish move to 2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I swear some people convinced themselves Beane would be able to trade backup linebackers and guards and "draft day" his way all the way up to #2. And a lot of us thought it would take something roughly in line with the Eagles trade or the draft value charts. Now it is as clear as day that the picks are valued significantly above Goff/Wentz. That is new information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Whatever, kid. Seems like you aren't interested in examples that don't prove your point of view. Best of luck to you with that. "Whatever kid" Typical. You are using one career great game as if it's the norm for his career. You're the one cherry picking to try and prove a point that a QB that not one single professional evaluator thinks is a first round pick is somebody you say is the" #2 QB". You're delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I would stay pat and get Lamar Jackson at 12. Draft the best I can and get ready to kick some Jets and Colts ass on Sundays. We'll be saying "Thank God for Lamar Jackson." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, mannc said: Relax everyone. We don't need to move up to 2 (or even 4) to get a QB. Despite the rush to judgment, no one (and I mean no one) knows whether Darnold or Rosen will be better than Mayfield, Jackson or Allen. Last year the two best QB prospects dropped out of the top 9. In a deeper, more talented class, there's no reason to think there won't be very good prospects available at 12 or within striking distance of there--Allen, Rudolph, Mayfield, Jackson all could be available after pick 9. Frankly, I think all four of them are better than Darnold, but that seems to be a minority opinion. Actually you may have something here Rosen - health issues Darnlod - decision making Mayfield - might not be McBeane type Allen - needs lots of work maybe the QB we’re looking to get is not one of those top 4/5 that everyone else is talking about , maybe it was all smoke & mirrors that made the Jets jump , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Putting some time line things together: The Colts GM said he was talking about this trade on Monday and Tuesday and in fact had been speaking with the Bills - although indirectly, he had discounted them because of #12. At the least, Beane new about this trade before the presser. I'm not saying it means a lot, but it puts things into a different perspective. For one, it makes his commentary about not spending much time on draft evaluation in a different light, doesn't it? It sort of comes across as an excuse, like the dog ate my homework, don't you think? And in knowing that the trade might be ready to be announced, it says to me that not trading down, staying put, was something that occurred after that knowledge that either the Jets or Broncos had decided to move up. Finally, the presser certainly seemed "all at once". From this perspective, it's not unnatural to think that Beane might have asked his Colts counterpart for just a day to get ahead of the trade announcement, in order to save face. Some assumptions going on there, I know, and I am a bit of conspiracy sort of person. But still ... when I think about what was said, in relation to the timing of everything ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: better do it soon before the fish move to 2.... They just restructured Tannehill and the deal makes it much more difficult to cut him loose. They are not coming up to #2. Not in this or any other universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ExWNYer said: This, in a nutshell, is a flawed approach, IMO. Every amateur armchair GM on this board has their favorite or favorites and thinks that if the Bills don't agree, don't take said player, or fail to pull off a trade for said player then they don't know what they're doing. Odds are that two or all three of these QBs are more likely not to be franchise QBs than all three of them hitting. Posters get so wrapped up in their own convictions on a player(s) that they can't allow for the possibility that they just could be wrong. I like all three of those QBs and I agree that they will probably be good players but the truth is that I honestly don't know...and neither do you or anyone else. The Bills' brain trust is paid to figure out these things and have the time and resources available to them to make the best decision that we as fans do not. The chess match has begun and the Bills end game will be critical. Here's to hoping that they get it right...whether that means trading up or staying put. That's the point, though. Just because fans are not in the front office doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. There are many of us that watch a ton of college football, break down the film and have just as much of an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of a prospect that he teams themselves do. Do any of us know for sure who will be good and who won't? No. But neither do the teams. But we are smart enough to know what prospects may give us the best chance in getting it right and you are much likelier to hit on one if you get a top prospect rather than a 2nd tier guy. Can the 2nd tier guys sometimes turn out? Sure. But we haven't had a QB here in 20 years mainly because we never put ourselves in position to have a chance to get a top prospect. We had that chance this year and if we don't come away with a top prospect, then it's been failure in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Putin said: Actually you may have something here Rosen - health issues Darnlod - decision making Mayfield - might not be McBeane type Allen - needs lots of work maybe the QB we’re looking to get is not one of those top 4/5 that everyone else is talking about , maybe it was all smoke & mirrors that made the Jets jump , I'm not even saying Beane doesn't want Rosen or Darnold; I'm saying sometimes it's better to stay put and see what happens. Sometimes the teams picking higher pick the guy who busts and you get the better player by default. The best thing that ever happened to the Supersonics/Thunder was NOT getting the top pick in the 2007 NBA draft. If they had, they almost certainly would have picked Greg Oden instead of Kevin Durant. Edited March 17, 2018 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 So now everyone is waiting for the news of bills trading up to 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Also, Russell Westbrook was drafted below Derrick Rose. Russell Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round, 75th pick. Joe Montana was drafted in 3rd round, 82nd pick. So chill. No need to be in the top 10. Stand our ground. Don't panic. If Lamar Jackson is still there for us at 12, take him and be happy. We need DBs, WRs, LB, RB, and another pass rusher to get. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: Finally, the presser certainly seemed "all at once". From this perspective, it's not unnatural to think that Beane might have asked his Colts counterpart for just a day to get ahead of the trade announcement, in order to save face. Genuine question. Help me with the bold part. Save face from what? Overpaying and unloading our future (in draft picks) for a high risk QB? There is absolutely no QB in this draft worth both our firsts, seconds, thirds, and "other picks", as some people here are speculating. I think people fail to recall the Ditka trade and the Minn/Dallas trade (with Herschel Walker) and how that worked out for the teams who gave up a whole lot premier picks. I get the fact we have not aggressively pursued QB's in past drafts but I cannot recall the last time we accumulated 6 of the top 100 picks. When Beane was doing so, it never occurred to me he was positioning for a big trade up, I though to myself finally a GM who understands drafting in bulk and getting top tier talent across the board. I could kind of see people's point if QB was the only position we need, but from our HC himself, he openly admits we need a lot of talent across a lot of positions, not a single player or single position. Beane did not lose face by the Jets / Colts deal......none whatsoever. The Colts had a draft position ceiling, and realize their targeted player will likely be there at 6 as he would have been at 3. The Jets GM will need to save face. He. got. fleeced. Edited March 17, 2018 by IndyMark typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, sven233 said: That's the point, though. Just because fans are not in the front office doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. There are many of us that watch a ton of college football, break down the film and have just as much of an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of a prospect that he teams themselves do. Do any of us know for sure who will be good and who won't? No. But neither do the teams. But we are smart enough to know what prospects may give us the best chance in getting it right and you are much likelier to hit on one if you get a top prospect rather than a 2nd tier guy. Can the 2nd tier guys sometimes turn out? Sure. But we haven't had a QB here in 20 years mainly because we never put ourselves in position to have a chance to get a top prospect. We had that chance this year and if we don't come away with a top prospect, then it's been failure in my opinion. Most of the time the fans do NOT know what they are talking about. If they did then they would be working in the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Gross. So a lot of you are talking yourselves into Lamar Jackson is a good option now??♂️? Wooooof, get me back to Baker, Rosen land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: Most of the time the fans do NOT know what they are talking about. If they did then they would be working in the business. Not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Gross. So a lot of you are talking yourselves into Lamar Jackson is a good option now??♂️? Wooooof, get me back to Baker, Rosen land Nope. That's not gonna happen. We don't have enough to trade for number 2. I don't think we have enough to trade for Cleveland's number 4. Get used to Lamar Jackson. We'll be fine. No matter who we choose at 12, we have a better team than Colts, Browns, Giants, Jets, and Broncos. We're kickin' their asses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, IndyMark said: Genuine question. Help me with the bold part. Save face from what? Overpaying and unloading our future (in draft picks) for a high risk QB? There is absolutely no QB in this draft worth both our firsts, seconds, thirds, and "other picks", as some people here are speculating. I think people fail to recall the Ditka trade and the Minn/Dallas trade (with Herschel Walker) and how that worked out for the teams who gave up a whole lot premier picks. I get the fact we have not aggressively pursued QB's in past drafts but I cannot recall the last time we accumulated 6 of the top 100 picks. When Beane was doing so, it never occurred to me he was positioning for a big trade up, I though to myself finally a GM who understands drafting in bulk and getting top tier talent across the board. I could kind of see people's point if QB was the only position we need, but from our HC himself, he openly admits we need a lot of talent across a lot of positions, not a single player or single position. Beane did not lose face by the Jets / Colts deal......none whatsoever. The Colts had a draft position ceiling, and realize their targeted player will likely be there at 6 as he would have been at 3. The Jets GM will need to save face. He. got. fleeced. Agreed - almost straight down the line. Perhaps the point I was meaning to get to ... was that Beane needed to "get out in front of this train". Whether or not the Colts facilitated it I suppose is some guesswork on my part. I just find it pretty odd the timing, right? One day Beane is in front of the NFL saying he wasn't necessarily moving up, then the next day practically the Colts are announcing the trade. If the Colts were working on that trade on Monday and Tuesday, it was put to bed by Wednesday. There are two teams he's really talking to and its Denver and the Jets; we get a call just to make sure Beane isn't going to pull a Ditka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Thanks! I appreciate the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, sven233 said: Not true True. Mainly because you don't get to interview the player, talk to their coaches and opposing coaches, etc, etc 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said: Nope. That's not gonna happen. We don't have enough to trade for number 2. I don't think we have enough to trade for Cleveland's number 4. Get used to Lamar Jackson. We'll be fine. No matter who we choose at 12, we have a better team than Colts, Browns, Giants, Jets, and Broncos. We're kickin' their asses. We have enough to get to 1 if we want. Depends how many picks now and into the future you want to give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Nitro said: Colts wanted more than the Bills would offer. Colts wanted more than what the Bills were able to offer them... a top ten ( almost top 5) pick. They couldn't offer what they don't have in their posession. This type of thing was always a possibility. A QB needy team with a higher pick than them got a deal done to move up. They have a few other options ; some pundits feel the NYG simply won't trade with the Jets. If true, it's not lost on the Bills, so trying for pick 3 made sense for Buffalo if trying to move in front of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, joesixpack said: Well that's disappointing. And looks like I'm right...YET AGAIN. Whoever the guy was that said 4QB weren't going in the top ten...own up. Uh Joe - the Jets were already picking in the top 10. Whether they trade for #3 or pick at #6, they’re still just picking 1 QB. So are the Browns. It’s possible (though from draft history unlikely) that 4 QB will be drafted in the top 10, but I’m not sure this changes the odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Uh Joe - the Jets were already picking in the top 10. Whether they trade for #3 or pick at #6, they’re still just picking 1 QB. So are the Browns. It’s possible (though from draft history unlikely) that 4 QB will be drafted in the top 10, but I’m not sure this changes the odds. Browns jets giants broncos take it to the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: True. Mainly because you don't get to interview the player, talk to their coaches and opposing coaches, etc, etc We have enough to get to 1 if we want. Depends how many picks now and into the future you want to give up No we don't. This is just your opinion, right? According to the draft picks value chart, we have zero chance to trade for number one pick. If I was Beane, I would not do it. Beane himself cannot do it anyway if he wanted. Get your Lamar Jackson jerseys ready. Beane and company have been hyping up L. Jackson anyway. http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/03/lamar_jackson_steals_show_at_nfl_combine_meets_with_buffalo_bills.html http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/03/2018-nfl-scouting-combine-buffalo-bills-lamar-jackson/ http://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/16/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-2018-nfl-draft/ Edited March 17, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Dang, that means we need to get to #2. That sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Browns jets giants broncos take it to the bank I’ll belly up for my helping of crow if needed but I don’t think the Giants are going to draft a QB at #2 and I don’t think 4 QB go in the top 10 It is possible they will trade with someone who will, but I think it is equally possible (depending upon what the Browns do) that they draft elsewhere. The Jets are pretty clearly throwing down the gauntlet to the Browns “draft a QB at #4 and you’re picking at best the 2nd QB off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Well that kinda puts a damper on my impression of the Bills going big for a QB in this draft. I'm not doom and gloom but man it felt like a punch to the face reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The Jets in no way overpaid. They spent a bunch of lottery ticket picks to get the franchise QB they need AND block their division rival from getting the franchise QB it needed... Beane has one chance to fix this. One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 For anyone dreaming about trade scenarios for number one or number two pick, I'm killin' that. It's not going to happen. Zero chance. We're staying pat at number 12 and drafting Lamar Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, akm0404 said: Wait, are you offering a wager that two or fewer quarterbacks will be selected in the top 10? I am willing to wager up to 500$ on this, pending selection of suitable escrow. If you both send your $500 to me I will act as escrow and definitely not spend it on cocaine. PM for mailing address. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: The Jets in no way overpaid. They spent a bunch of lottery ticket picks to get the franchise QB they need AND block their division rival from getting the franchise QB it needed... Beane has one chance to fix this. One. You honestly have no clue. Sorry to be so blunt but you don't. What the Jets did is got the third pick. And that does not guarantee they get the QB they want because there are two spots above them. Beane is in great position right now. He sees a guy he has to have he knows by moving up to 1 or 2 he gets him over the Jets. And he can make that move on draft day to lock out anyone else, or do it now if he wants. Or he could cut a deal between 4-10 if he has several guys he feels the same about. Or stay put. The Jets blinked, and now if a team like the Bills jump over them they an rib them if their guy. They blinked. Buffalo didn't. Beane knows what he's doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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