Jets just traded with Colts for #3 pick in first round

[Doc Brown]

Live shot of Brandon Beane......

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

If you watch college ball you would see it. Big deal Jackson was told not to run as much this last season just so some can say see he doesn',t run all the time, he is still the same QB as before, you watch he will do the same as Tyrod, run first evwtrytime. Those skrony legs will never survive in the NFL.

There is a reason why TT was a 5th round pick....there is a reason why LJ is considered a high pick

 

Take a look at their passing TD's......They are NOT the same player......Lamar actually throws the ball and does it from the pocket....he was told not to run as much?  Stop making excuses for your weak take

[Green Lightning]

Well I read all 35 pages and at the end of the day, I can't say I feel good about this. After all these moves and all this work I hope we don't get boxed out again with leftovers.

[Success]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Live shot of Brandon Beane......

 

Well, the Jets ARE cockroaches.

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

Wentz, ever hear of Wentz, he is the QB that made the team, Foles was lucky enough to ride out the finish. I give Foles a bunch of credit but he is not the guy that made that team, he is not a franchise QB just a backup that had that once in a lifetime miracle happen at the right time. 

 

It still happened though. A backup QB went in to the spotlight in one of sports most watched events and lit it up.

 

Once in a lifetime or not, he showed up and delivered. My question is, why and how you would think ONE person (you said Rosen with Jets) can lead them to the top of the AFC East? Does he not have 10 other players on the field with him? Is he not a rookie learning a new system? Do they have a HOF coach at the helm? I mean seriously man. Even if Rosen turned out to be a HOFer, you think he can do it on his own?

 

The Jets basically have no solid picks this year except for their 1st. They are NOT just a QB away from beating the Pats in the division. Let's get real.

[YoloinOhio]

i have a feeling that the NYG are willing to trade the second person pick. Just not to the Jets.

 

bills should try to package 22 and 65 to get up to 13 or 14. Trade both top 15 picks and either a 2nd this year or 1st next year.

[Wily Dog]

WE are still in charge of our own destiny . the Jets be damned.

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

i have a feeling that the NYG are willing to trade the second person pick. Just not to the Jets.

 

bills should try to package 22 and 65 to get up to 13 or 14. Trade both top 15 picks and either a 2nd this year or 1st next year.

Smart man....

[Doc Brown]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

i have a feeling that the NYG are willing to trade the second person pick. Just not to the Jets.

 

bills should try to package 22 and 65 to get up to 13 or 14. Trade both top 15 picks and either a 2nd this year or 1st next year.

Giants have all the leverage now and the Bills will have to massively overpay to move up to that spot.  We'll definitely have to give up our two firsts this year and our first next year.  Probably a 2nd and a 3rd in this draft as well.  Maybe both 2nd's and a 3rd.

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

i have a feeling that the NYG are willing to trade the second person pick. Just not to the Jets.

 

bills should try to package 22 and 65 to get up to 13 or 14. Trade both top 15 picks and either a 2nd this year or 1st next year.

 

I dont think 22 and 65 would be good enough to move to 13 or 14. It would take more imo.

[xRUSHx]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

There is a reason why TT was a 5th round pick....there is a reason why LJ is considered a high pick

 

Take a look at their passing TD's......They are NOT the same player......Lamar actually throws the ball and does it from the pocket....he was told not to run as much?  Stop making excuses for your weak take

Maybe you need to research a little more, in 2016 he ran and ran alot. He was told they need him to tone back the running and push to throw more. He did alright but he was not as lighting as he was when he ran more. His little lower half of his body is going to get crushed in the NFL IMO. You ever see his toothpick legs?

Tyrod tride to throw more but ended up running more just like Jackson will fall back to when the throws are not happening in the NFL. Jackson is a wow type runner but we just had a wow runner at QB, I thought we were getting a pocket QB.

Edited March 17, 2018 by xRUSHx

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Wily Dog said:

WE are still in charge of our own destiny . the Jets be damned.

 

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Giants have all the leverage now and the Bills will have to massively overpay to move up to that spot.  We'll definitely have to give up our two firsts this year and our first next year.  Probably a 2nd and a 3rd in this draft as well.  Maybe both 2nd's and a 3rd.

This was always going to be the price....huge.....I had already braced myself for it.

1 minute ago, xRUSHx said:

Maybe you need to research a little more, in 2016 he ran and ran alot. He was told they need him to tone back the running and push to throw more. He did alright but he was not as lighting as he was when he ran more. His little lower half of his body is going to get crushed in the NFL IMO. You ever see his toothpick legs?

Tyrod thried to throw more but ended up running more just like Jackson will fall back to when the throws are not happening in the NFL. Jackson is a wow type runner but we just had a wow runner at QB, I thought we were getting a pocket QB.

You keep repeating the same things over and over like that actually means something......look at his passing tds and stfu

[HuSeYiN_NYC]

It's gonna be one helluva draft I know that much.

[xRUSHx]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

 

This was always going to be the price....huge.....I had already braced myself for it.

You keep repeating the same things over and over like that actually means something......look at his passing tds and stfu

Whatever man, you want the same QB we just had for 3 years that couldn't be a pocket passer just to draft another that will fail at being one I guess we have different opinions on it.

[Just Joshin']

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Giants have all the leverage now and the Bills will have to massively overpay to move up to that spot.  We'll definitely have to give up our two firsts this year and our first next year.  Probably a 2nd and a 3rd in this draft as well.  Maybe both 2nd's and a 3rd.

It may work out if you can ride it to the end while the Giants are on the clock.  If they wait too long they lose some leverage.

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, jumpgo692003 said:

lol.  doubt they can afford the #1.  both 1sts, 2nd, both 3rds and a 1st next year.  I don't see the bills doing that.  silly season

I don't even know if that's enough to get to #2 at this point when you look at what the Jets gave up to move from #6 to #3... 

 

That definitely wouldn't be enough to get to #1 though. 

 

 The Jets gave up 2800 points on the draft value chart to get to the #3 pick which is valued at 2200 points. They gave up almost 2600 points in picks just this year, plus the 2nd next year.

 

To equal that, It would take both 1sts, both 2nds, our highest 3rd this year plus a 2nd next year to get to #2.

[Real McClappy]

9 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Maybe you need to research a little more, in 2016 he ran and ran alot. He was told they need him to tone back the running and push to throw more. He did alright but he was not as lighting as he was when he ran more. His little lower half of his body is going to get crushed in the NFL IMO. You ever see his toothpick legs?

Tyrod tride to throw more but ended up running more just like Jackson will fall back to when the throws are not happening in the NFL. Jackson is a wow type runner but we just had a wow runner at QB, I thought we were getting a pocket QB.

Jackson is much better than Tyrod. 

 

Tyrod in 4 years of college had 67tds, Jackson in 3 years had 119tds. I would not be devastated if we took him, I have him just above Rudolph by a hair. 

 

Either way, I want Rosen or Mayfield still. I have no desire for the next tier. Beane and scouts might see something though.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Real McCoy

[Fan in Chicago]

52 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Compounding the issue for the Bills is McD wanting to pass on QB last year..........and the perception that he made a trade with a connection in KC rather than the team with lesser prospects for the coming season and ended up with the 22nd pick instead of the 4th pick.      They are lucky they got a good player in Tre White otherwise they'd be getting crucified Browns-style for it. 

Which is why you grab one even if he doesnt fit the 'perfect' mould. A franchise QB is a broad enough term that it neednt always be equated with greats like Rodgers or Brady or BenR. A above average QB with a strong team around him can also win, as Foles did.  Ofcourse we want the Bills to trade up this year when the crop is good and we have the ammo. BUT ..... Lets say worst case Bills are unable to trade up to get the QB they want this year, I would seriously consider setting ourselves up for a trade-up next year by trading DOWN and acquiring first round picks for next year. I really hope this doesnt come to pass but have to think longer term and not grab a QB just for show. 

[xRUSHx]

3 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Jackson is much better than Tyrod. 

 

Tyrod in 4 years of college had 67tds, Jackson in 3 years had 119tds. I would not be devastated if we took him, I have him just above Rudolph by a hair. 

 

Either way, I want Rosen or Mayfield still. I have no desire for the next tier. Beane and scouts might see something though.

Should have just kept Tyrod then IMO

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, xRUSHx said:

Should have just kept Tyrod then IMO

Hell no man. I don't think I could have watched this season.

 

All we can do is pray that another teams back-up is our savior. Hopefully Beane can still make a move and get Mayfield.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Should have just kept Tyrod then IMO

OMFG...you keep repeating the same lame posts over and over again......STOP

[xRUSHx]

Just now, Real McCoy said:

Hell no man. I don't think I could have watched this season.

 

All we can do is pray that another teams back-up is our savior. Hopefully Beane can still make a move and get Mayfield.

Denver will be taking Mayfield, this class is going to be all gone by 12. All those moves, could have just stayed with what we had. I think we draft a DT or LB at 12, was the plan all along I bet.

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

OMFG...you keep repeating the same lame posts over and over again......STOP

Blaaaaaaaaa, stop it..blaaaaaaa

[Green Lightning]

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Giants have all the leverage now and the Bills will have to massively overpay to move up to that spot.  We'll definitely have to give up our two firsts this year and our first next year.  Probably a 2nd and a 3rd in this draft as well.  Maybe both 2nd's and a 3rd.

I would say so. It's going to cost us a fortune now. But to come out of this process with Mason Rudolph is just untenable.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Hell no man. I don't think I could have watched this season.

 

All we can do is pray that another teams back-up is our savior. Hopefully Beane can still make a move and get Mayfield.

I personally dont think we are done trying to trade up......I would also rather have one of the top 3 qbs.....

 

But people had to know that this was going to happen....we are at 21...and needed move into the top 3...this was going to require 2 trade ups and things were gonna have to fall right as far as what other teams do....

 

What might be saving us here is that the jets and giants dont trade with each other.....so there is a window for us.....but that qb better be franchise type

[Real McClappy]

1 minute ago, xRUSHx said:

Denver will be taking Mayfield, this class is going to be all gone by 12. All those moves, could have just stayed with what we had. I think we draft a DT or LB at 12, was the plan all along I bet.

If that is the plan and AJ strikes out this FO is not gonna stick around long. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

If that is the plan and AJ strikes out this FO is not gonna stick around long. 

I dont think that was the plan....it was going to require 2 trade ups to get where we needed to be

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

 

I can understand that some bills fans want to go back to '04 that might create some kind of panic or thoughts of disaster but last I checked it's 2018 and this is not the same regime.  who I may add has been quite aggressive before the draft has even taken place and I see no reason they fall flat and not remain aggressive, IMO.

Edited March 17, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[xRUSHx]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

I can understand that some bills fans want to go back to '04 that might create some kind of panic or thoughts of disaster but last I checked it's 2018 and this is not the same regime.  who I may add has been quite aggressive before the draft has even taken place and I see no reason they fall flat or not remain aggressive, IMO.

Wow man, does that mean history could repeat itself and we end up with Allen, JP2.0

I want to believe in them but man the cards are falling fast with this Jests trade. IMO.

Edited March 17, 2018 by xRUSHx

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

Wow man, does that mean history could repeat itself and we end up with Allen, JP2.0

 

 

yeah, that's it.

 

 

smh

[xRUSHx]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

yeah, that's it.

 

 

smh

Lol, yeah I know stop being a Nancy but man this really sux.

[Tyrod's friend]

55 minutes ago, jumpgo692003 said:

if you believe that then you should be vocal about standing pat or trading down because Jackson will likely be available.

LOL. Yeah, I've been pretty vocal about standing pat. More than just a little bit.

But there is no doubt in my mind that Jackson won't last past 12 - he might not be there at 12. In a dozen days, Lamar will run and likely post up a time somewhere around a 4.35 or 4.4 40 ... and all of sudden, this fan board is going to light up like a Christmas tree about how wise our GM was to position himself where he did. 

That's okay. Let the moaners and chicken littles have their day. The moment I feel that the NY Jets front office got the better of ours, will be that time that I re-think the curvature of the earth.

[Wily Dog]

49 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Assuming the Giants covet Barkley:

Then we trade up to Browns for #4. Then we flip #4 to Giants. That way we get our QB and the Giants get Barkley because it is obvious the top 3 will pick QBs. 

If the Giants just want to swap up to 12 then give them our 12,22 and 4th and next years 1. We don’t need next year’s picks as much as this year’s because we have 100 million to spend and won’t have a sunk QB cost. I would be all for dumping more picks next year than this year if possible. 

 

This has a lot of validity , in that we would not need the draft picks as much next year and the Giants , with three  number one draft picks and whatever we give them beyond , are in a position for cap problems if we didn't spread it over two years. I will still trust Beane though.

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You are literally saying he's #2 QB.

That means you have zero credibility.

Which nobody in the NFL seems to think.

 

 

What did they think about Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo, and even Tyrod Taylor? 25% of the league is made up of starting QBs that no team ever thought would be any good. He is statistically superior to all of them outside of Mayfield, has every tangible you look for in a QB and played well in the big games. I'm sure he's nothing but a scrub.

Too bad callout threads aren't allowed, because your hot take is ripe for one 5 years from now.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Locomark said:

Assuming the Giants covet Barkley:

Then we trade up to Browns for #4. Then we flip #4 to Giants. That way we get our QB and the Giants get Barkley because it is obvious the top 3 will pick QBs. 

If the Giants just want to swap up to 12 then give them our 12,22 and 4th and next years 1. We don’t need next year’s picks as much as this year’s because we have 100 million to spend and won’t have a sunk QB cost. I would be all for dumping more picks next year than this year if possible. 

 

This makes a ton of sense. Good work. 

[Big Blitz]

I don't not like Lamar Jackson.  

[Nitro]

Colts wanted more than the Bills would offer.  

[SoTier]

12 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

 

I can understand that some bills fans want to go back to '04 that might create some kind of panic or thoughts of disaster but last I checked it's 2018 and this is not the same regime.  who I may add has been quite aggressive before the draft has even taken place and I see no reason they fall flat and not remain aggressive, IMO.

 

The problem is that in 2004, the Bills couldn't find a dance partner among the teams in the top 10 not named San Diego or NYG.  Maybe they miscalculated the Steelers' interest in Roethlisberger (I rather doubt that) or maybe none of the other teams wanted to trade down or maybe they just didn't offer enough.  Not being privy to what went on behind the scenes, I don't know why they didn't move up higher in the first round.

 

I hope you realize that if they'd passed on Losman totally, they would have been infinitely better off.  They could have taken Aaron Rodgers the next year or Jay Cutler in 2006 or even Joe Flacco in 2008.  The lesson from 2004 isn't that a team shouldn't be afraid to trade up but that a team shouldn't be afraid to pass on a lesser QB prospect if they can't get the one they really want, which is 2004 was Roethlisberger.

[Ittakestime]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I don't not like Lamar Jackson.  

 

I don't like Jackson now, but honestly, he could be deadly with a year of working on strictly throwing mechanics.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

The lesson from 2004 isn't that a team shouldn't be afraid to trade up but that a team shouldn't be afraid to pass on a lesser QB prospect if they can't get the one they really want, which is 2004 was Roethlisberger.

 

Yay us.

 

[Chuck Wagon]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I don't not like Lamar Jackson.  

 

I think Jackson's ceiling is higher than Mayfield's.