Chandler#81 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 IF ONLY we had him with 1st & Goal vs Jacksonville........ 3 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, RyanC883 said: Cadet a FA. Humm. Any chance we bring him back? I really liked him when he was here. Although I guess a rookie as RB 3 is more likely due to $$. Definitely there is a chance. As a reminder they need to bring 90 guys to camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, RyanC883 said: Cadet a FA. Humm. Any chance we bring him back? I really liked him when he was here. Although I guess a rookie as RB 3 is more likely due to $$. He's rehabbing at OBD. That is a good sign 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Injured riddled tank with a habit of dropping the football on the ground. I hope he is plan C at RB. Luckily we still have McCoy, you know, our elite 6 time pro bowler. Pretty sure he is plan A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Don't mind the signing would have preferred to wait until after the draft though to pick up a veteran. Yes I know there would be no guarantee he would still be available but to me it wouldn't have been a priority right now. The draft is like a month and a half after free agency opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Good move. We need 3 RB's like Jacksonville had. Now to draft a young one. Cadet? Are you serious? Edited March 6, 2018 by bmur66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fan in Chicago Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, eball said: Sorry, stopped reading. Try again. Only obliquely endorsing BigBuff's point, but IMHO, ALL options need to be on the table to get a top flight QB in this draft. I seriously believe nobody is untouchable if it helps us preserve draft picks and get the QB we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, HappyDays said: We're really playing the comp pick game. It makes me think we are looking to trade up and hope that our future comp picks soften the blow. Let's not get carried away here. I like picks as much as anybody but usually comps start at the end of the third round where there most definitely is no sure thing. There is something to be said for signing known quantities. Hopefully, our FO is squared away in terms of figuring it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 He's a pretty good complement to Shady. My only worry is that's a decent amount of money for an older RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 BTW: Love the Ivory signing. Grab a position of need w/ a proven player at a lower cost. Love having a hammer back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 21 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: Not a bad signing but damn, they need to get younger at the position eventually. not need to worry . they will draft one eventually and then they will be young. for next year it is a good combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 1 minute ago, MJS said: Luckily we still have McCoy, you know, our elite 6 time pro bowler. Pretty sure he is plan A. Yep. Find a way to get a mid-late round back and bring back Cadet and that will be a good group heading towards camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: The Jets? They didn't have Forte at the time, right? CJ2K? Tomlinson, Johnson, forte... The guy I'm thinking of was too long ago. Thomas was his name but can't remember his last name. He had a first name as a last name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Only obliquely endorsing BigBuff's point, but IMHO, ALL options need to be on the table to get a top flight QB in this draft. I seriously believe nobody is untouchable if it helps us preserve draft picks and get the QB we want. Except the option that removes a future HOFer still playing at an elite level for an offense devoid of playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Von Miller on the toughest guys he's ever played against (good read) - https://www.theplayerstribune.com/von-miller-the-5-toughest-guys-in-the-nfl/ He lists Chris Ivory as the toughest RB he's faced and tells a pretty cool story about facing him. Edited March 6, 2018 by BillsFan4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Oh, and I don't like this signing. This is Reggie bush level bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Love it! I really like these guys that are in the pro personnel dept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Tomlinson, Johnson, forte... The guy I'm thinking of was too long ago. Thomas was his name but can't remember his last name. He had a first name as a last name. Thomas Jones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jones_(American_football) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Oh snap Spotrac twits! Get that guy on the record for the projected Watkins deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Great, get rid of a fat old running back and replace him with a fat old running back that has ball control issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, eball said: Sorry, stopped reading. Try again. Why apologize....you stopped reading. No problem. And nope, I'm good...no need to re-try anything as I expressed an opinion. Edited March 6, 2018 by BigBuff423 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Meh. You could do worse, so I don't mind this, but I'm not excited. I was a big Chris Ivory fan when he was with the Saints, but he's 30 now and IMO in decline. Yards per carry last 4 years: 3.4, 3.8, 4.3, 4.1. I'll be surprised if he's over 4 for us next year. Pluses: He's a real NFL player who knows how to play RB Not huge money Could serve as a decent goal-line back? (I haven't seen him in that role in a while, so not sure if he's actually good at it or just seems like he would be) Doesn't count against comp pick formula Less pressure to draft a RB in 3rd round or higher, but still have the option to do so if a great prospect is there Minuses: Best days are likely behind him, not clear how much he has left in the tank Money is still way higher than that of a 4th/5th round pick, and there'll be at least 1 of those who's better than Ivory this year All in all, not bad. I'm with others who think that he likely takes most of Tolbert's carries. The question becomes, does that mean Tolbert is gone, or does the team ask him to switch to FB and cut the higher-paid DiMarco? I hope we don't intend to carry Tolbert as basically a mascot. I'm sure he's great for the locker room/culture and all that, but he makes too much money not to contribute on the field. I'm okay with him as FB if that's the route they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Oh, and I don't like this signing. This is Reggie bush level bad. Nothing is Reggie Bush bad. Well, maybe a zombie apocalypse, that's about it 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. I think he's washed up. Had no burst in Jacksonville last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Isnt that a bit much to pay an old running back with a deep RB draft? I mean I like Ivory as a back up .. but was hoping for 1 year less than 2 mill deal. We turned down Gillislee at 2 yrs 6.4 mill. I'd rather have Gillislee at 2 yrs 6.4 mill than Ivory at 2 yrs 5.5 mill and I think Gillislee himself was overpaid. Anyway let us hope McBeane know what they are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Cash said: Meh. You could do worse, so I don't mind this, but I'm not excited. I was a big Chris Ivory fan when he was with the Saints, but he's 30 now and IMO in decline. Yards per carry last 4 years: 3.4, 3.8, 4.3, 4.1. I'll be surprised if he's over 4 for us next year. Pluses: He's a real NFL player who knows how to play RB Not huge money Could serve as a decent goal-line back? (I haven't seen him in that role in a while, so not sure if he's actually good at it or just seems like he would be) Doesn't count against comp pick formula Less pressure to draft a RB in 3rd round or higher, but still have the option to do so if a great prospect is there Minuses: Best days are likely behind him, not clear how much he has left in the tank Money is still way higher than that of a 4th/5th round pick, and there'll be at least 1 of those who's better than Ivory this year All in all, not bad. I'm with others who think that he likely takes most of Tolbert's carries. The question becomes, does that mean Tolbert is gone, or does the team ask him to switch to FB and cut the higher-paid DiMarco? I hope we don't intend to carry Tolbert as basically a mascot. I'm sure he's great for the locker room/culture and all that, but he makes too much money not to contribute on the field. I'm okay with him as FB if that's the route they go. They still need to add more RBs. You can’t go into camp with 3 RBs on the roster. They will still draft one. The ideal mix is one of vets plus rookies. Edited March 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. Would rather have seen FA money spent on upgrading the O-line and the Front 7 on defense. RBs are a dime a dozen yet the Bills continue to invest in that position. Anything other than a 1 yr deal is a bad move in my opinion. Maybe we can sign another FB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Like A Mofo said: Nothing is Reggie Bush bad. Well, maybe a zombie apocalypse, that's about it Zombie Reggie bushs with a Kardashian in tow and the ghost of Caitlin Jenner's lovespear? That's a good mental image. I think it could make a good cartoon show premise actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: If a young talented RB like Kamara drops to you I think you take him. I want the Bills offense to be filled with talented players. I agree, but the problem there is that every FA dollar you spend on one position, you can't spend it somewhere else...the same to be said regarding the Draft. So, if the Bills spend their FA money on Ivory and keep their money invested in Shady, they don't have the luxury of spending a 3rd round pick on a RB when they've already invested so much. Which for me, is one reason why I think it makes more sense to trade Shady. That same 3rd round pick would need to be a DT / LB or Offensive lineman if you're keeping Shady and obviously paying Ivory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I like Ivory from 5 yrs ago. Not sure if he's the same guy at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 "analytics department" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: I think he's washed up. Had no burst in Jacksonville last year. Not worried about his "burst" as a power guy. I think he can be effective as a #2 Come on up to the Ivory Tower man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: IF ONLY we had him with 1st & Goal vs Jacksonville........ Wound is too fresh man, too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 did they give him league minimum? he's not done well the last couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, eball said: Except the option that removes a future HOFer still playing at an elite level for an offense devoid of playmakers. Fair point, eball but I am saying that you listen to every offer and see where the Bills shake out in terms of value. I am a Shady fan so dont take this to mean I want him off the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 My one concern: Douglas Marrone let him go and he loves those kind of RB's. Or was this a strict cap related move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Chris Ivory is definitely nowhere near the 21st best RB in the NFL. Probably closer to 21st best backup than 21st best overall. Granted, he'll get bumped down by some actual free agents, but I still expect him to be a little overpaid next year. Not by a huge amount, but these things add up. 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Barnwell No Likey! Regardless, he's a good 2nd option who doesn't factor into the comp pick formula for 2019. I didn't realize he had so many fumbles - yikes! Looks like 2016 was the big problem - 5 fumbles on 117 carries compared to 2 on 112 last year. But he's had at least 2 fumbles every year since 2013, and it's not like he's had a lot of carries in those years, either. I'm downgrading my rating from "not bad" to "kinda bad but not terrible". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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