Nihilarian Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Relax guys, Mel Kiper has Allen going #1 overall to the Browns. Todd McShay has the top 4 QBs going in the top six in this draft and states he think the top four will all be good NFL starters. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen. So, unless the Bills can move up into the top four, #3 Colts, #4 Browns they will miss out on one of those top four guys because if they don't trade up the QB needy Broncos are sitting at #5 and the NY Jets at #6. EDIT, Oh BTW Arizona is also looking to draft a QB at the #15 spot so perhaps the Bills FO thinks one of those top four will fall past The Browns, The Giants, The Broncos, The Jets, and Buffalo moves up to beat out The Cardinals. Get ready for Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and if those are the choices at 21,22 I'd say wait until round two and draft luke Faulk or later for Mike White. Edited February 18, 2018 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, McBean said: I know all this Allen talk is just speculation, however, whoever drafts him will waste a pick. He’s awful. awful ? he is a huge arm. He may have accuracy issues but he is not awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffAlone said: Wow, im surprised they didn't even scout White. Not sure why they wouldn't have.... I think they're methodical. The first question for them to answer is: do you like any of the "Big Dogs" enough to really strategize how you might to move up for them? This is the question to address first, because it's going to take some groundwork. In addition, while Beane is presumably going to want to see the potential 1st and 2nd round picks for himself, at some point in the later rounds he has to trust the evaluations of his scouting staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: People still believe everything they read before the draft? ??♂️ Isn't the truth? It cracks me up when Kiper, McShay, etc. post another mock draft when there's no reason why it should've changed from the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: awful ? he is a huge arm. He may have accuracy issues but he is not awful Can anyone help me name a college QB who never hit 60% accuracy during college, not even 1 year, but was successful in the pros? Preferably without going back more than 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Isn't the truth? It cracks me up when Kiper, McShay, etc. post another mock draft when there's no reason why it should've changed from the last one. And people get violently abusive on here over mock drafts. It’s truly pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: awful ? he is a huge arm. He may have accuracy issues but he is not awful Who cares that he has a big arm? JaMarcus Russell and EJ Manuel had big arms too. O, and they both put up great numbers in the SEC and ACC. Allen couldn’t even cut it at Wyoming playing against weak competition. Just say no to Josh Allen. He will be out of the league in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 This is hilarious. Nothing really going on in the league right now so smoke screens are getting thrown around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 All this stuff is just white noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CritMark Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Move on everybody. Nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 It's "throw crap at the wall and see what sticks" time of year. This Allbright dude gets quoted a lot but I've yet to see any of his "scoops" turn out to be true or even in the same ballpark as true. And I'm pretty sure the Bills have scouted just about every draft eligible QB for this year, Allen included. They were in on him earlier than most teams just like they were the first pro team to send scouts to go see Wentz while he was still at ND State. All sorts of things are gonna be thrown around between now and the draft. I still maintain that in order for them to make a massive leap up the board it's gonna have to be a ridiculously good deal. They aren't gonna sell out all of their draft capital and pull a Ditka. And they aren't gonna go ham in free agency and sign a ton of top tier free agents, they don't have the cap space. I just feel like it's going to be pretty tough for them to pull off a major trade to get their guy. It could happen, I mean, they have been stockpiling picks but if the cost of moving up equals both first round picks, one the twos, something from next year, when you factor in the players they traded to acquire said picks, the deal could potentially look like four or five picks, some which were gained via trading Watkins, Darby and Dareus, and while they got Gaines and Matthews in return, let's say those dudes don't re-sign here, so if you string it out like that it could look like, "Bills give up two first round picks, two second round picks and a sixth (players lost to gain picks equal Watkins, Darby, Dareus, Gaines and Matthews) for unknown QB commodity who might be good...someday." Kind of an oddball way to look at it but if they do make a trade, someone will figure it all out and find out just exactly what was lost versus what's being gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Eeeeeee.... Josh Allen reminds me SO MUCH of Ryan Leaf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Relax guys, Mel Kiper has Allen going #1 overall to the Browns. Todd McShay has the top 4 QBs going in the top six in this draft and states he think the top four will all be good NFL starters. Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen. So, unless the Bills can move up into the top four, #3 Colts, #4 Browns they will miss out on one of those top four guys because if they don't trade up the QB needy Broncos are sitting at #5 and the NY Jets at #6. EDIT, Oh BTW Arizona is also looking to draft a QB at the #15 spot so perhaps the Bills FO thinks one of those top four will fall past The Browns, The Giants, The Broncos, The Jets, and Buffalo moves up to beat out The Cardinals. Get ready for Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson and if those are the choices at 21,22 I'd say wait until round two and draft luke Faulk or later for Mike White. I wouldn't trust anything Todd Mcshay says about QBs. Does the name Jevan Snead ring a bell? McBoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Is there some sort of reward system or something I'm missing for starting threads? I never used to care but as of late I feel like I read this exact same link in one of the other 10 threads it's being discussed yesterday. Today, it has it's own thread with the same arguments that in the end no one will know anyway. I mean I guess whatever floats your boat.. but holy cow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 hours ago, PIZ said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760136-2018-nfl-draft-trade-rumors-bills-targeting-top-10-pick-they-like-josh-allen Sure Why Not. Draft Em All. 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: ? they scouted 0.0 of his games this season http://billsmafia.com/2018/01/27/bills-scouting-scouts-winter-edition/ So we are going after Allen , White and Lauletta 4 hours ago, Buftex said: If they cant get Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold, I really hope they stay put in the first round. Or trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Rico said: Agreed. I also hope that if it's apparent that the chosen one isn't going to make it after 2+ years, the usual suspects aren't crying that he just needs more time. From the guy who hates everyone! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, Buftex said: From the guy who hates everyone! It’s not hate, it’s tough love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 No matter who they choose we will not see the results for a year or two so why are some of you getting your pants in a wad this early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: ? they scouted 0.0 of his games this season http://billsmafia.com/2018/01/27/bills-scouting-scouts-winter-edition/ I don't understand this spreadsheet since there are no column headings. What does 48 over 4 mean? What are the last 2 columns? Why is Tyrod's height and weight shown? What is the color coding? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 hours ago, #34fan said: Eeeeeee.... Josh Allen reminds me SO MUCH of Ryan Leaf... Except Allen doesn't seem to be a headcase like Leaf. Allen has a heck of a ceiling, and looks like the most physically gifted guy in the draft. He also needs a ton of work. Will the fan-base be okay with drafting a guy who needs 1-2 years on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: Except Allen doesn't seem to be a headcase like Leaf. Allen has a heck of a ceiling, and looks like the most physically gifted guy in the draft. He also needs a ton of work. Will the fan-base be okay with drafting a guy who needs 1-2 years on the bench? 1 year maybe, 2 years absolutely not. With rare exceptions in this day and age, those type of projects are best served no earlier than day 3 of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 All are smokescreens anyway, but I hope we can somehow, someway get Baker Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Oh man..I like Allen the LEAST of all of these QBs...accuracy issues are the hardest things to fix in QBs, and he has major accuracy issues... hopefully not another case of scouts and GMs falling in love with their arms and abilitiy to make "all the throws" while completely downplaying their deficiencies which are much harder to fix... 16 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Except Allen doesn't seem to be a headcase like Leaf. Allen has a heck of a ceiling, and looks like the most physically gifted guy in the draft. He also needs a ton of work. Will the fan-base be okay with drafting a guy who needs 1-2 years on the bench? He reminds me of Paxton Lynch. 'Nuff said. I see some people comparing him physically and athletically to Carson Wentz---except his completion percentage was over 8% lower, but I mean that's not important is it?? I don't want a great physical speciman who has "all the physical tools" but can't play QB very well...didn't we already draft 2 of those guys in the first round Losman and Manuel over the past 15 years? Where do Gms and scouts come up with this fantasy that these guys will suddenly just"get it" and magically transform into Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden?? I mean who are they looking at that has done this coming out of college at 56% completion rate that has done this? Nobody would be my guess Edited February 19, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Domdab99 said: If they trade up to pick Allen, I’m out. If it happens and Allen is good. Stay away. I love when people who think they know football make these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Just now, BillsFan2313 said: If it happens and Allen is good. Stay away. I love when people who think they know football make these comments. You mean like the people who knew football that drafted Losman and Manuel that were here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, matter2003 said: You mean like the people who knew football that drafted Losman and Manuel that were here? When did I mention that they knew football? I missed that part. Edited February 19, 2018 by BillsFan2313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 hours ago, holmz56 said: Todays paper said Rosen tomorrow's will say Darnold. Until the combine is over it's all moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: If it happens and Allen is good. Stay away. I love when people who think they know football make these comments. What are you, Allen’s Daddy? I hurt your feelings? If I stay away, it’ll be because of oh-so-serious posters like yourself. Lighten up, Francis. It’s called hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 38 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Oh man..I like Allen the LEAST of all of these QBs...accuracy issues are the hardest things to fix in QBs, and he has major accuracy issues... hopefully not another case of scouts and GMs falling in love with their arms and ability to make "all the throws" while completely downplaying their deficiencies which are much harder to fix... He reminds me of Paxton Lynch. 'Nuff said. I see some people comparing him physically and athletically to Carson Wentz---except his completion percentage was over 8% lower, but I mean that's not important is it?? I don't want a great physical specimen who has "all the physical tools" but can't play QB very well...didn't we already draft 2 of those guys in the first round Losman and Manuel over the past 15 years? Where do Gms and scouts come up with this fantasy that these guys will suddenly just"get it" and magically transform into Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden?? I mean who are they looking at that has done this coming out of college at 56% completion rate that has done this? Nobody would be my guess 1 I have no idea where you guys get these bizarre QB comparisons from? As we get close to the combine and pro days we will see more factual scouting on all these QB's and we will all get a better understanding of their rankings. Right now I see Allen as a top-four pick and perhaps even going #1 overall to Cleveland just from his play in the senior bowl as that play disproved a lot of the negative reports on him. Watch it! . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 hours ago, PIZ said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760136-2018-nfl-draft-trade-rumors-bills-targeting-top-10-pick-they-like-josh-allen Opinions are like poopers, everyone has one, and some are cancerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: I don't understand this spreadsheet since there are no column headings. What does 48 over 4 mean? What are the last 2 columns? Why is Tyrod's height and weight shown? What is the color coding? 48 starts over 4 years TT measurables shown as comparison to prospects’ If Astro sees this (he is a poster here) he can explain the color coding Edited February 19, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: What are you, Allen’s Daddy? I hurt your feelings? If I stay away, it’ll be because of oh-so-serious posters like yourself. Lighten up, Francis. It’s called hyperbole. Not at all, you need to relax. Overreaction much? Hold on, hold on. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I have no idea where you guys get these bizarre QB comparisons from? As we get close to the combine and pro days we will see more factual scouting on all these QB's and we will all get a better understanding of their rankings. Right now I see Allen as a top-four pick and perhaps even going #1 overall to Cleveland just from his play in the senior bowl as that play disproved a lot of the negative reports on him. Watch it! . If you are basing your evaluation on the senior bowl instead of his actual play you are basically asking for a bust. Who was the last great QB with a completion percentage under 57% in college? Has there ever even been one? You cannot simply look at what he "can do" and ignore fundamental flaws such as accuracy and completion percentage that will be even more exposed in the NFL than they were in college. Edited February 19, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 They should like Josh Allen, big arm, decent feet, NFL frame, better mechanics and will probably need time behind a veteran for at least a season but you'll hear the Bills linked to every top QB. It is interesting though on that chart that the Bills scouted everyone but Josh Allen, maybe they've been doing a bunch of homework on him to not tip their hand? We shall see in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 13 hours ago, PIZ said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760136-2018-nfl-draft-trade-rumors-bills-targeting-top-10-pick-they-like-josh-allen There's going to be speculation right up to the draft. These writers don't know what the Bills are thinking or planning to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: If you are basing your evaluation on the senior bowl instead of his actual play you are basically asking for a bust. Who was the last great QB with a completion percentage under 57% in college? Has there ever even been one? You cannot simply look at what he "can do" and ignore fundamental flaws such as accuracy and completion percentage that will be even more exposed in the NFL than they were in college. What that senior bowl showed was his performance with quality players around him that actually blocked on the line and caught balls. What a lot of the scouting reports don't say is how bad his offensive line was last year and they struggled to make a block. What they also don't say is when the QB would hit the receivers in the hands and they would drop the balls again and again. You know, like Zay Jones did this year. When you have a QB who plays on a really bad team it's very difficult to properly evaluate his overall talent. The QB learns to not trust your receivers or the blocking. The simple fact was he was running for his life most of last year. Think back to 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick's was literally running for his life the first five games and they lost the first eight games while finishing the season 4-12 Partway through that season Bills GM Buddy Nix pulled Erik Pears, Kraig Urbik off the waiver wire and they came in and improved that O line a great deal. That was the year that Nix signed Cornell green to a three year, 9 mill dollar contract in the offseason to play RT and he lasted a who six games in 2010 before cutting him outright. At least Nix was able to fix the line during the season. Then Fitz had WR Stevie Johnson who caught about 58.2% of the balls thrown to him that year. That's 141 targets, 82 receptions! Just saying, we Bills fans have a first-hand knowledge of what it's like to see a QB play on a really bad team. Before Bills fans declare him a bust because of a low completion percentage let's see how he does at the combine and his pro day. I didn't like him at first either, then I started watching his games and realized just how bad that team was he played on in 2017. Edited February 19, 2018 by Nihilarian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Buddo said: Okay. So we have now had 2 of the 4 or 5 top QB prospects linked to us. At the rate of about one every week, we should have 4 covered by FA. IMHO, they "like" him isn't linking us. 12 hours ago, #34fan said: Eeeeeee.... Josh Allen reminds me SO MUCH of Ryan Leaf... The main problem with Leaf was an unwillingness to work. Leaf missed his interview with the Colts. He was wildly arrogant and had substance abuse problems, serious ones. These two are not twins from different mothers. Not even close. I'm not a big Allen fan at all, but Ryan Leaf? Nah. Edited February 19, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: People still believe everything they read before the draft? ??♂️ Nope. People don't believe everything they read. They believe the stuff that they already thought when it's confirmed. The people who don't like the idea shout "smokescreen," which translated means, "I don't like him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: ? they scouted 0.0 of his games this season http://billsmafia.com/2018/01/27/bills-scouting-scouts-winter-edition/ McBeane sent scouts to go watch Allen play against Utah State Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Guessing Josh Allen is the smokescreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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