Captain Hindsight Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 With Jimmy G likely to be franchised, would you sign him to an offer sheet and give up the two 1st rounders to get him? Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If you could get a franchise qb, like say Brees or Rodgers, you'd trade your next 10 first rounders for them. Seriously. Personally I think Jimmy G's star is going to fade when DC's start getting film on the guy and learn his tendencies. But I'd give up two 1st rounders for the guy, I think any team would, even Belichick if Kraft the Mullet would let him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoserE Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Maybe one of the 1st rounders...no way you give up both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: With Jimmy G likely to be franchised, would you sign him to an offer sheet and give up the two 1st rounders to get him? Discuss I would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 In a second 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfansinceday1 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would. He has the look of a budding superstar and has been observing Brady for 3 years. Absolutely a better risk than anyone going into the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 i dont think it matters if he gets the exclusive tag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Does no one remember the lesson of Rob Johnson? Beware going after a guy with a short track record. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: With Jimmy G likely to be franchised, would you sign him to an offer sheet and give up the two 1st rounders to get him? Discuss SF would want more than two at the bottom of the first round. no question. the guy is proven NFL-ready. we can't even trade our two 1st round picks to get in the top 5, so why would SF trade G for essentially a 8th or 9th round 1 pick, when all the franchise QB types will be gone. the bills screwed themsevles for the draft by getting to the playoffs. a fair trade in my view, but they did screw the franchise QB pooch by doing it. trading both no. 1s (21 and 22) only gets them maybe the 7th pick in the draft, assuming anyone wants the deal in the first place Edited January 17, 2018 by 8-8 Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would, but he will most certainly receive an exclusive Franchise Tag from the 49ers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Does no one remember the lesson of Rob Johnson? Beware going after a guy with a short track record. Totally different. Johnson had 1 start and 35 pass attempts in 3 years. Garoppolo is 7-0 and played in New England. He is much more of a known quantity than Johnson was. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes, absolutely I would. In a heart beat. But, it wouldn't matter. The 49ers would just match the offer instead of accepting the two 1st round picks. Garoppolo evelated the play of everyone - took a 1-10 team on a 5 game winning streak to finish 6-10. They have a ridiculous amount of cap space (something like $110 million), too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: SF would want more than two at the bottom of the first round. no question. the guy is proven NFL-ready. we can't even trade our two 1st round picks to get in the top 5, so why would SF trade G for essentially a 8th or 9th round 1 pick, when all the franchise QB types will be gone. the bills screwed themsevles for the draft by getting to the playoffs. a fair trade in my view, but they did screw the franchise QB pooch by doing it. trading both no. 1s (21 and 22) only gets them maybe the 7th pick in the draft, assuming anyone wants the deal in the first place I suspect they'll throw in more picks than that if they decide to move up to the 4-6 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If they can not work out a contract he most certainly wil be tagged.. But if the opportunity is there I would definitely be kicking the tires on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would give up 5 firsts if it meant getting a Franchise QB. In this case, if I was absolutely confident he was going to be great, I'd do it in a heartbeat......not just to get our Franchise guy, but to beat the living crap out of the Pats* for the next decade WITH THE GUY THEY GAVE AWAY!!!! Couldn't get much sweeter than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gugny said: Yes. Isnt there another thread on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He looks like the real deal, I would consider it. Unfortunately, you also have to pay him 25 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I would rather have given up a second round pick when I could of bought low with the risk of not knowing then pay somebody else a Kings ransom for getting it right. It just gives me a feeling like I'm savvy. So I probably wouldn't just because of that. Plus I would like to see a full season. I'm not saying he isn't good. I think he will be. Not saying he isn't worth it, probably would take more now. I just wouldn't want to buy something from you for $20 right after you payed $5. Edited January 17, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Lfod said: I would rather have given up a second round pick when I could of bought low with the risk of not knowing then pay somebody else a Kings ransom and getting it right. It just gives me a feeling like I'm savvy. So I probably wouldn't just because of that. Plus I would like to see a full season. I'm not saying he isn't good. I think he will be. Not saying he isn't worth it, probably would take more now. I just wouldn't want to buy something from you for $20 right after you payed $5. Not relevant since he was never going to be traded to the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: SF would want more than two at the bottom of the first round. no question. the guy is proven NFL-ready. we can't even trade our two 1st round picks to get in the top 5, so why would SF trade G for essentially a 8th or 9th round 1 pick, when all the franchise QB types will be gone. I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP is talking about trading for Jimmy G. He's presupposing the '49ers use the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. The non-exclusive franchise tag allows other teams to talk to him and present offers, but requires the offering team to give the 49ers 2-1st round picks in compensation if SF can't or doesn't choose to match the offer and he signs elsewhere. It's a steep price to pay - you outbid everyone else and structure your offer to bolix your cap so that the franchising team can't match, and then in addition you hand over your first round picks. Lose-lose. I don't know of any rule about where the first round picks have to be. I don't think SF gets to pick and choose on that point. I'm not even sure there's a rule about what to do if the signing team has 2 1st round picks that year, I think the presumption is you give up your 1st round picks this year and next. 1 hour ago, HoserE said: Maybe one of the 1st rounders...no way you give up both See above....you don't get a choice under the non-exclusive franchise tag. You give 2 1st round picks, thems the rules 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not relevant since he was never going to be traded to the Bills. I think he would look amazing in a Bills uniform. I'm wondering. Say 49's would entertain it. Do you think our two first rounders would get it done? Edited January 17, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Yes and try to get that monster Marquise Goodwin too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP is talking about trading for Jimmy G. He's presupposing the '49ers use the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. The non-exclusive franchise tag allows other teams to talk to him and present offers, but requires the offering team to give the 49ers 2-1st round picks in compensation if SF can't or doesn't choose to match the offer and he signs elsewhere. It's a steep price to pay - you outbid everyone else and structure your offer to bolix your cap so that the franchising team can't match, and then in addition you hand over your first round picks. Lose-lose. I don't know of any rule about where the first round picks have to be. I don't think SF gets to pick and choose on that point. I'm not even sure there's a rule about what to do if the signing team has 2 1st round picks that year, I think the presumption is you give up your 1st round picks this year and next. See above....you don't get a choice under the non-exclusive franchise tag. You give 2 1st round picks, thems the rules You answered a question I had. Appreciate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Billsfansinceday1 said: I would. He has the look of a budding superstar and has been observing Brady for 3 years. Absolutely a better risk than anyone going into the draft. Bills D has been observing Brady for 17 years. No superstars..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Lfod said: I think he would look amazing in a Bills uniform. I'm wondering. Say 49's would entertain it. Do you think our two first rounders would get it done? Why would they trade him? Franchise QBs don't grow on trees and they wouldn't even entertain the idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be wrong, but I don't think the OP is talking about trading for Jimmy G. He's presupposing the '49ers use the non-exclusive franchise tag on him. The non-exclusive franchise tag allows other teams to talk to him and present offers, but requires the offering team to give the 49ers 2-1st round picks in compensation if SF can't or doesn't choose to match the offer and he signs elsewhere. It's a steep price to pay - you outbid everyone else and structure your offer to bolix your cap so that the franchising team can't match, and then in addition you hand over your first round picks. Lose-lose. I don't know of any rule about where the first round picks have to be. I don't think SF gets to pick and choose on that point. I'm not even sure there's a rule about what to do if the signing team has 2 1st round picks that year, I think the presumption is you give up your 1st round picks this year and next. See above....you don't get a choice under the non-exclusive franchise tag. You give 2 1st round picks, thems the rules Bingo. I heard Washington might non exclusive cousins to try and force a team to fork over the picks. With the non exclusive, does the same "consecutive franchise" pay bump still apply? This would be Kirk's third year in a row, with a 44% bump to around $35mil guaranteed. That is a dangerous game of chicken to play if nobody decided to tender him an offer, you're stuck with that bill and a guy who doesn't want to play for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would they trade him? Franchise QBs don't grow on trees and they wouldn't even entertain the idea. I misunderstood the premises of the thread. Hapless Bills Fan explained that the thread wasn't based on a trade. I understand better now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Isnt there another thread on this? Why you askin' ME???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 We should of just offered a 1st when we had a chance. Bill would of accepted it even if the trade was in the division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: We should of just offered a 1st when we had a chance. Bill would of accepted it even if the trade was in the division No chance that he would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If he hits the market that should be priority number 1. 2 first rd picks and a hefty contract. Worth it imo. Not many guys like him become available. He’s never lost a start. Albeit against some below average competition. He lit up the jags. I’d do it in a heartbeat. 30+ mill a year and five up the picks 15 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: We should of just offered a 1st when we had a chance. Bill would of accepted it even if the trade was in the division I disagree. No way to orbe either way. Good organizations don’t seem to do that kind of thing very often. If it were to be for a lb or WR. Any other position....other than QB. Especially a QB he wanted to potentially give up Brady for (iirc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Does no one remember the lesson of Rob Johnson? Beware going after a guy with a short track record. Jimmy has a much bigger sample size than Robosack had when we acquired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 games starts in SF and 2 starts in NE. I wouldnt gamble on such such a small sample. Tim Tebow was a winner. No, not a comparison just a statement. Why did NE let him go if he’s really good? Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 .....Shanahan wins out over Lynch and they sign HIS boy Cousins....Jimmy G walks and IMMEDIATELY signs with Bflo looking to extract revenge versus his old boss and old mentor.....hey, an old guy can dream in his waning years, right?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Lfod said: I would rather have given up a second round pick when I could of bought low with the risk of not knowing then pay somebody else a Kings ransom for getting it right. It just gives me a feeling like I'm savvy. So I probably wouldn't just because of that. Plus I would like to see a full season. I'm not saying he isn't good. I think he will be. Not saying he isn't worth it, probably would take more now. I just wouldn't want to buy something from you for $20 right after you payed $5. It's a different price depending on the buyer. BB let him go to an NFC team - one that he'll only face once every four years - for a second-round pick. He wouldn't make that trade with a division rival, or even another AFC team in a different division. Edited January 17, 2018 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 In a heartbeat 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 5 games starts in SF and 2 starts in NE. I wouldnt gamble on such such a small sample. Tim Tebow was a winner. No, not a comparison just a statement. Why did NE let him go if he’s really good? Inquiring minds want to know. Talk about tunnel vision to try and argue your point. It takes half a second to see he's a legit QB while Tebow was a novelty act. You're just trolling now. He has SEVEN starts and wasn't going to re-sign with NE to be a backup when he can play. You think they were going to franchise a backup QB? By your logic there are no good free agents ever because why would their teams "let them go" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 In a heartbeat. I'd honestly give up more than that it it was a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not relevant since he was never going to be traded to the Bills. This. If they put him on the open market, he would have brought much more than a 2nd. The SF trade was Belicheck holding a fire sale for whatever motivations he had (ensure he goes out of the division and conference, ensure he goes to a good home, whatevs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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