NickelCity Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I am generally of the opinion that bringing Alex Smith on board and drafting a QB high would be a smart move. I think Alex Smith is a good quarterback and would have us in the playoffs until a young QB is ready to go. I was talking with my buddy, and he thinks Smith will be traded for a 1st. That seems like a heck of a price to pay, but I think he might be in more demand than we think. I originally thought (probably too optimistically) that I'd give up a 3rd. I think I could talk myself into a 2nd for him if that's what it took. 1) What do you guys think he will be traded for? 2) Are you willing to make that deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Less than a 1st - hes cheap but only for 1 year. Bradford was affordable for 2 years and fetched a 1st out of desperation. Garroppollo is younger and they got a chance to try before they "buy" - and he only got a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) (1) I feel like I've heard a 3rd a lot. (2) The most I'd give up is a 4th I think. Edit: To clarify, that would be in a scenario where I want to do that. I don't Edited January 17, 2018 by JohnBonhamRocks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 A first for an aging, one year rental - not a chance unless he was the last piece needed for a SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Just another TT. No to Alex Smith Edited January 17, 2018 by BigPappy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 why? He is 1-4 in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3rd-4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, NickelCity said: 1) What do you guys think he will be traded for? 2) Are you willing to make that deal? Hopefully nothing MORE than a pound of Duff's wings (okay throw in a beer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) Under normal circumstances I'd say he's worth a 3rd. In this case, he's a 1 year, $17M rental. 4th at best unless the deal includes an extension. I might be prone to offering a 2019 conditional pick based on starts, performance, or a playoff appearance. Something like a 2019 4th, that can become a 3rd if he starts a playoff game for us, which becomes a 2nd if he starts in a conference championship game. Edited January 17, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Not sure what he will go for but I hope the most we are willing to give up would be a third or maybe a 3rd with a conditional 6-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortunesmith Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think it'd take a pipe, crack, flame and a 3rd to get Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 ....media speculation says Andy wants a 2nd......and he comes with a $17 mil tariff (one year left).....a 3rd and getting him to agree to a one year extension would be more suitable.....need two years with new 1st round QB pick and Peterman...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sorry but you guys are deluding yourself. I am 90% certain that the very least he will be traded for is a 2nd. Most likely a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 46 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Just another TT. No to Alex Smith I don't understand the comp. No way u talking bout 4000yd QB . What's Tyrod #s this yr 2600yds . That's 50% more production. Smith is twice the QB Taylor is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 i'd rather have tyrod for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It'll take at LEAST a 2nd. Hell, the Vikings traded a 1st and 4th for Bradford...and Smith is better, stays healthy, and more consistent than him. Smith isn't exactly "young," but he's still only 33, and as we've seen QB's play at a high level for quite a while longer these days. To put that in perspective, Drew Brees is 39... so imagine if we had Drew Brees from age 33-39. That's a LOT of good/great seasons from that age onward. Smith could potentially play until he's 39 as well, so there's still SOME upside, even if he isn't intended to be the long term answer. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: i'd rather have tyrod for nothing I'd rather have a competent offense to at least give some semblance of help to our very good defense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: why? He is 1-4 in the playoffs Actually he is 2-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: It'll take at LEAST a 2nd. Hell, the Vikings traded a 1st and 4th for Bradford...and Smith is better, stays healthy, and more consistent than him. Smith isn't exactly "young," but he's still only 33, and as we've seen QB's play at a high level for quite a while longer these days. To put that in perspective, Drew Brees is 39... so imagine if we had Drew Brees from age 33-39. That's a LOT of good/great seasons from that age onward. Smith could potentially play until he's 39 as well, so there's still SOME upside, even if he isn't intended to be the long term answer. I'd rather have a competent offense to at least give some semblance of help to our very good defense. this I like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Smith might do well in the Daboll offense, of course same could be said about several guys that should be available without giving away picks. A 4th is as high as I would go. Other than that I'd wait and see if he gets released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Everyone realizes that he was the highest rated QB in the NFL this year right? Higher than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, all of them. A 4th?, A 3rd? I think it's going to be more than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Everyone realizes that he was the highest rated QB in the NFL this year right? Higher than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, all of them. A 4th?, A 3rd? I think it's going to be more than that. He had the best year of his career, yes. He's also the QB that went something like 19 straight games without a TD pass to a WR. He's a 1 year rental version of Case Keenum, but older and with even more mediocrity in his past. EDIT: Looked it up, 21 straight games without a TD pass to a WR. I'd love to see this place even a quarter of the way through that streak... Edited January 17, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'd take him in a heartbeat if it's a third or less. 2nd I gotta think about it. Yeah the playoff record ain't great. My Giants fan buddy was trying to tell me it would take one first and one second this year, and a second next year. I told him he was being a real mcadoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: He had the best year of his career, yes. He's also the QB that went something like 19 straight games without a TD pass to a WR. He's a 1 year rental version of Case Keenum, but older and with even more mediocrity in his past. My opinion of him is that he would be an excellent fit here. I seem to think more of his skills than most but I believe he is vastly superior to Case Keenum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: I'd take him in a heartbeat if it's a third or less. 2nd I gotta think about it. Yeah the playoff record ain't great. My Giants fan buddy was trying to tell me it would take one first and one second this year, and a second next year. I told him he was being a real mcadoo. This is pretty much how I feel, although it's interesting...we have a tendency to think we can get players for less than we actually can. Fans of other teams give way different answers to what Smith will trade for compared to Bills fans I've talked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, NickelCity said: I am generally of the opinion that bringing Alex Smith on board and drafting a QB high would be a smart move. I think Alex Smith is a good quarterback and would have us in the playoffs until a young QB is ready to go. I was talking with my buddy, and he thinks Smith will be traded for a 1st. That seems like a heck of a price to pay, but I think he might be in more demand than we think. I originally thought (probably too optimistically) that I'd give up a 3rd. I think I could talk myself into a 2nd for him if that's what it took. 1) What do you guys think he will be traded for? 2) Are you willing to make that deal? I am on board with you that if we can pry Alex Smith out of KC (and that should be doable) that we should. I would go as high as a 2nd rounder and I think that is a good idea to have a rich offer as I think multiple teams will be after him and we need to be the winner. It is a rent-a-player deal as he only has 1 year on his contract, but all that takes is money to solve. I would have Peterman behind him to learn from him. We coan then use our draft choices on O & D lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 To get Alex Smith, realistically, I believe it would take very bad judgment and a sack of nickels. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richNjoisy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Someone, perhaps the Bills, will trade a 2nd for him. But there are a few things - like Tyrod, the Chiefs owe him a bonus if he is on the roster sometime in early March but it is"only" $2 million. So, I am sure they would like to trade him before then. Next, Bradford and either Keenum or Bridgewater will be free agents. These players are "free" (no trade needed). Same may go for Cousins. Really cheap-ish signees could be Fitzpatrick or McCown. Those two will still cost you~ $10 million however! Alex Smith will cost $17.5 million if Acquired in early March and $15.5 if acquired after March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 It would take a player giving Beane a concussion, that's what it would take. Just now, Jauronimo said: To get Alex Smith, realistically, I believe it would take very bad judgment and a sack of nickels. Beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richNjoisy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, VirginiaMike said: I am on board with you that if we can pry Alex Smith out of KC (and that should be doable) that we should. I would go as high as a 2nd rounder and I think that is a good idea to have a rich offer as I think multiple teams will be after him and we need to be the winner. It is a rent-a-player deal as he only has 1 year on his contract, but all that takes is money to solve. I would have Peterman behind him to learn from him. We coan then use our draft choices on O & D lineman. No - even if Bills acquire Smith they will draft a QB in round 1. THIS IS THE YEAR TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QB. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 perhaps a swap of picks that allows KC to save face and get a second.....with a 4th rounder coming back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: (1) I feel like I've heard a 3rd a lot. (2) The most I'd give up is a 4th I think. Edit: To clarify, that would be in a scenario where I want to do that. I don't I'm not 100% against Smith in Buffalo. I'd take him for a year or two. I have heard opinions from a few people that he is slightly better than Tyrod. I'd take that. The question is, for what? a 4th rounder or lower. Picks in rounds 1-3 I expect contributions from in year 1. a 4th..not so much..so that is what I'd give up for Smith. Anything more than a 4th....let whoever is offering that take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: I don't understand the comp. No way u talking bout 4000yd QB . What's Tyrod #s this yr 2600yds . That's 50% more production. Smith is twice the QB Taylor is. Lets see Alex smith put up those numbers for a second year and then i will agree with you. If you look at his numbers every other year but this year and they are just as pedestrian as Taylor's. While I understand the point you are trying to make, I have to respectfully disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I'm not 100% against Smith in Buffalo. I'd take him for a year or two. I have heard opinions from a few people that he is slightly better than Tyrod. I'd take that. The question is, for what? a 4th rounder or lower. Picks in rounds 1-3 I expect contributions from in year 1. a 4th..not so much..so that is what I'd give up for Smith. Anything more than a 4th....let whoever is offering that take him. I guess I fall right around where you do. If we traded our 4th for him, then I would cry neither tears of sadness nor of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: perhaps a swap of picks that allows KC to save face and get a second.....with a 4th rounder coming back? Andy owes Mcd a favor. I'm pretty sure Houston was on line #2 when we were on the board at #10 and any common man would have taken Houston pk rather then a loaded Kc teams pk for the 2018 draft. Mcd made a deal with his buddy and in turn it cost us the 4th overall pk in this draft. Andy should send us Alex for a mid rd pk. 17 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Lets see Alex smith put up those numbers for a second year and then i will agree with you. If you look at his numbers every other year but this year and they are just as pedestrian as Taylor's. While I understand the point you are trying to make, I have to respectfully disagree. Lets see Tyrod 8800yds the last 3 yrs. Alex Smith 11,000. There not the same player. A Smith has his flaws but he's a proven winner . Mof he has the 2nd or 1st most wins of any QB since 2011. Yes that hasnt translated to playoff success but his arrow is pointing up coming off a career yr at age 32 while it seems like Tyrod going bkwards. Its a very unfair comparison. Edited January 17, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, richNjoisy said: Someone, perhaps the Bills, will trade a 2nd for him. But there are a few things - like Tyrod, the Chiefs owe him a bonus if he is on the roster sometime in early March but it is"only" $2 million. So, I am sure they would like to trade him before then. Next, Bradford and either Keenum or Bridgewater will be free agents. These players are "free" (no trade needed). Same may go for Cousins. Really cheap-ish signees could be Fitzpatrick or McCown. Those two will still cost you~ $10 million however! Alex Smith will cost $17.5 million if Acquired in early March and $15.5 if acquired after March. You are forgetting one thing: free agents do not want to come to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin from last year. He chose Baltimore, a superior playoff team, over us, even though his friend Shady was here. Look at Anquan Boldin. He had enough sense to retire in the pre-season last year than play for a losing team. Alex Smith will take a 1st, maybe 2nd. The precedent has already been set: in 2002 some team was stupid enough to trade a 1st to the Patriots for an aging Drew Deadslow. AlexSmith > Drew Deadslow. Edited January 17, 2018 by mileena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Makes no sense now that Dennison is gone, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Lets see Alex smith put up those numbers for a second year and then i will agree with you. If you look at his numbers every other year but this year and they are just as pedestrian as Taylor's. While I understand the point you are trying to make, I have to respectfully disagree. The TD:INT numbers are similar but Smith throws for a lot more passing yards. Over the last 3 years he's had 3465, 3502, and 4042. Over that span Taylor had 3035, 3023, and 2799. They've also been trending in opposite directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Rob's House said: The TD:INT numbers are similar but Smith throws for a lot more passing yards. Over the last 3 years he's had 3465, 3502, and 4042. Over that span Taylor had 3035, 3023, and 2799. They've also been trending in opposite directions. Plus the completion percentage is no where near the same with Alex at around 65 percent and Tyrod 60. Ypa Tyrod, 8, 6.9 & 6.7. Alex 7.2, 7.4 & 8 . Alex is trending up while Tyrod down. In almost every category Edited January 17, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Plus the completion percentage is no where near the same with Alex at around 65 percent and Tyrod 60. It's actually 67 to 63, but your point is well taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I know some Bills fans think going from Tyrod to Smith is a lateral move but I disagree. I think Smith is quite a bit better than Tyrod and would absolutely be an upgrade. He's a very smart QB. Know his defensive coverages, can read the (full) field well, find his open receivers, check into the right plays. He's accurate, similar to Tyrod in not turning the ball over. I think hed he'd be a great veteran QB to have around to help develop a rookie, and he's more than good enough to keep that rookie off the field for a couple/few years. Id give up similar compensation to what they gave up for Benjamin - 3rd and 5th/6th. Not sure if that'll be enough though with all the QB desperate teams. Id probably even consider a 2nd if that was the Bills only option for an upgrade at the QB position. Like If it came down to either Tyrod next year or Smith for a 2nd, I'd probably pull the trigger on Smith. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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