Success Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 People get injured a lot until they don’t. Remember when Watkins was glass and couldn’t stay on the field? I would love to see us go after Bradford. He has more potential than Smith or Cousins. I hope I don’t lose posting privileges for this renegade opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Did you really even ask "why not Sam Bradford?" There's one OBVIOUS reason, and nobody has to explain it to you at all. Injuries. That's it. Without discussing a single other aspect of his career, INJURIES are the #1 answer to "why not?" - 2011: INJURED Missed 6 games - 2013: INJURED Missed 9 games - 2015: INJURED Missed 2 games - 2017: INJURED Missed 14 games He's only played a full season twice in 7 years. Not a good track record. Hey but this year will be an even year so he should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 There have been 28 "Bradford" threads started since....2008!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: The hurt part may be true but the fact that you say he isn't good when healthy just isn't true.... He has 101 TD passes to 57 INT, a career completion % of 62.5, when completely healthy hasn't thrown for under 3,700 yards. I've never heard any rumors how he won't help rookies, in fact there is an article saying how he helped Wentz before being traded to Minny. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/before-heading-to-minnesota-bradford-helped-wentz-in-philly-102016, I think he'd be a good mentor to the rookie we select in round 1 and I don't think he'll break the bank imo. He averaged under 7 ypa which is terrible in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Four. You missed 2014, where he was out for 100% of the season. Four seasons of 10 games or less, out of 8 in the NFL. good catch I totally missed the chronological missed year as it didn't show up in the stats I was researching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Injuries. He is a pretty good Qb he just cant stay healthy. This is what happened when they drafted Ej. They took a Qb who wasnt polished and signed Keven Kolb. kolb got eaten by the mat monster and all was left was for Ej to rush into starting. That could happen with Bradford. Worst thing to happen would be for a Qb to lose a Qb battle than for you to go back to him. "Like a mat over troubled water......." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: As a bridge definitely, hope he can stay healthy while our rookie learns. https://media.giphy.com/media/12XeJ5RvCTo9b2/giphy.gedit: darn, I can't embed it. Edited January 17, 2018 by Woodman19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Didn't he play pretty well, and play the entire season last year? Q: Why is a dollar bill better than Sam Bradford? A: You can get four quarters from a dollar bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SWATeam said: It's not like there is a plethora of great options. No one is advocating giving the guy a big contract or anything. I think the potential upside is worth the risk. The point is, you only have so many spots on the roster. The backup has to be someone you can count on to be durable enough to play in preseason, on the scout team, and a couple games while the starter is out. What is there in Sam Bradford's injury history that leads you to believe he fits that description? 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He's as durable as Marquise Goodwin (pre SF!) and makes Trent Edwards looks like Brett Farve. hes fine but you could never be happy with him as your starter. Also, it's never great when Case Keenum is an upgrade. He's less durable than Marquise Goodwin pre-SF and he's a pretty good QB when healthy - a better QB than Trent Edwards But the fundamental point is sound. Edited January 17, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Because we need a QB that will be able to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Wouldn't be opposed, I think injury prone is an unfair label sometimes. It's true to an extent but think About regression to the mean, Bradford's had knee tears for 5 careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I wouldn't hate it - but i would be irritated if/when he got hurt. He destroyed the saints week 1 in his only real action last year. 27/32 for 346 and 3 TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Disagree. "WHEN" Bradford is healthy he is an above average QB with very good accuracy. Unfortunately the best ability is availability and Sam is about as fragile as peanut brittle. Wouldn't mind it but got to have a competent back up and a promising draft pick in the wings. He also will check the ball down on 3rd and 8 for 4 yards constantly rather than attempting to get the first down. Go ask Viking fans how much they liked him. All he did there was throw checkdowns..probably to attempt to avoid another injury by holding onto the ball. Its not always about stats. If you dont know the context of the stat its meaningless. If he throws 2 yard passes every time he throws the ball he'd set the completion percentage record. But so what? That isn't going to actually help you win games. Edited January 17, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He averaged under 7 ypa which is terrible in the NFL. Under 7 ypa is a target missed this year by a number of starting QB who are well-thought of, including Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton etc. Be that as it may, Bradford has thrown >= 7 AY/A since moving to Philly and has improved as a QB in other ways. Unfortunately durability, which is important, is not one of those ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I find it very strange that the OP's phone would autocorrect 'would the Bills ever consider' to 'not' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: All the Bills would be asking for is to get a quality free agent QB who can hold the fort down for 4-5 weeks till the 1st round rookie QB pick would be comfortable in taking over. Because in general, 1st round QBs just don't sit their whole rookie season. This is why Bradford on a one year contract would probably be one of the best options for the Bills. Well he made it through 1 week last year. So I guess theyd need to sign him and then another back up. 45 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Didn't he play pretty well, and play the entire season last year? If by 1 game you mean the entire season then yes. Edited January 17, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Under 7 ypa is a target missed this year by a number of starting QB who are well-thought of, including Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton etc. Be that as it may, Bradford has thrown >= 7 AY/A since moving to Philly and has improved as a QB in other ways. Unfortunately durability, which is important, is not one of those ways. I mean the shoulder injury from college doesn't seem to be an issue. it's just the knee. He tore it in 2013, then again in 2014 - and missed 15 games this year with issues on the same knee. Not sure if it was torn again or what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Under 7 ypa is a target missed this year by a number of starting QB who are well-thought of, including Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton etc. Be that as it may, Bradford has thrown >= 7 AY/A since moving to Philly and has improved as a QB in other ways. Unfortunately durability, which is important, is not one of those ways. Viking fans hated him because he'd make the safe throw on 3rd down which led to a punt more times than attempt to get a first down. Guess its pretty easy to have good stats when the defense is giving you a free 5 yards on 3rd and 8 and you take it frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: If by 1 game you mean the entire season then yes. Aren't we still in the current league year? By last year, I mean the previous league year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: Aren't we still in the current league year? By last year, I mean the previous league year. If by playing pretty well you mean completing a lot of passes because you constanty check down on 3rd and long for an easy 5 yards and then punt, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: If by playing pretty well you mean completing a lot of passes because you constanty check down on 3rd and long for an easy 5 yards and then punt, then yes. I watched a lot of the Vikings that year. They may have fielded the worst offensive line I have ever seen. Seriously. Sam took a beating, I was impressed with his season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would be ok with Bradford on a two year deal with the Bills drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd round. Bradford has had injury issues but it doesnt mean it will keep happening......doesnt mean it wont either. Bradford is miles ahead of Taylor as far as being a passer. In a QB friendly system with protection, Bradford can light it up. He set the NFL record for completion percentage with just over 71% for the season in 2016. 9 games that season he threw for over 250 yards. One game almost 400 yards. I would rather have a QB that is comfortable moving around in the pocket and that can throw accurately rather than an elite athlete that will run instead of throwing the ball away. Alex Smith would also be a good choice for two years but he isnt a free agent. I would be ok with the Bills signing Cousins long term but I wouldnt love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Did you really even ask "why not Sam Bradford?" There's one OBVIOUS reason, and nobody has to explain it to you at all. Injuries. That's it. Without discussing a single other aspect of his career, INJURIES are the #1 answer to "why not?" - 2011: INJURED Missed 6 games - 2013: INJURED Missed 9 games - 2015: INJURED Missed 2 games - 2017: INJURED Missed 14 games He's only played a full season twice in 7 years. Not a good track record. Looks like he's good in even years. 2018...? Seriously, though, I'd rather not go with Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. His history with Injuries not good at all. Great QB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PromoTheRobot Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. Depends how much he costs you. I certainly wouldn't give him a long term deal. Talk about a guy who can't stay on the field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I watched a lot of the Vikings that year. They may have fielded the worst offensive line I have ever seen. Seriously. Sam took a beating, I was impressed with his season. Must not have watched many Seahawk games last year then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 brilliant idea..lets go get a QB who's been injured his ENTIRE career. Is this dumb post day and I didn't get the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I read here that some people want a FA QB and keep our picks. I'm of the opposite opinion. I'd trade picks (within reason of course) and draft a quality QB. The money saved on a FA QB, could be used to bring in quality FAs across the board. $20-25 mill for Cousins, think how many quality FAs we could bring in with that money. And these would be known, NFL quality players, not untested rookies. I'd rather be set at the QB position for 10-15 years. That means drafting our guy. And yes, I know, drafting QBs is inherently risky. But we're set up pretty well to do it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. Yuck! You want a QB who literally can't stay on the field because he's an injury away from just retiring? Talent wise, sure. But Bradford can't stay on the field. Get a guy who's durable, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In 2016, he played very well for the Vikes. In fact, he had a career year - in his 2nd full season since 2012. Then he went out for good after injuring his knee after 2 games in 2017 - the same injury that cost him half a season in 2013, then reinjured in preseason and out for all of 2014. It's not like it was a fluke and unlikely to happen again. One time is an occurrence, twice is a concern, and three times is a pattern spelling out "can't count on this guy at QB" Bingo. No matter how much POTENTIAL he has, the risk is too high. If they could sign him to compete while also having a real contingency plan in case of injury, sure. But paying big money and signing him as the unquestionable starter is an absolute NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I'm not even sold with him when he's healthy. His best years were in 2016 and 2017, and even then he hasn't matched 2016 Ryan Fitzpatrick. Let that sink in a moment. Fitz 2016: 3905 yards, 31 TD 15 INT Bradford 2017: 3877 yards, 20 TD 5 INT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Seeing he is delicate as an expensive champagne glass that gets broken to pieces when it is looked at wrong, no way... This guy will get injured quicker than Kevin Kolb walking throw a car wash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Please stop. Please, please stop. Mods, can the next person who proposes we go after Bradford lose posting privileges until they can correctly recite Bradford's injury history? The man's been injured 4 out of his 7 NFL seasons. He's been injured on, like, the first dropback in a preseason game. He doesn't have a knee left. Yes, he can play QB in the NFL successfully. Yes, when he's healthy he's a better QB than Taylor. Than many. But that's a huge conditional. No, you can't count on him for 2 games, much less 4 or 5. That disqualifies him as a backup. Cousins can play QB at least as well as Bradford and he's durable. Please stop. He also had a serious knee injury in college. That said (and I'm dreaming), if we can pull something off and draft one of the stud rookie quarterbacks and Bradford would come cheap. welcome to the show and bring the kid along. If Bradford can stay healthy for awhile and mentor the kid, why not? Again, one can dream can't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I would rather re-sign Merriman and that washed up TE we tried to rehab 3 times whose name I forget. Moeaki?? At least those guys will sit on IR for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 If we can get him cheap, I say yes. But I do not think he will come cheap. Reasonably good QBs are hard to find and someone will take a gamble on his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. Right. I have 2 problems with Sam. His knees. Both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 hours ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 He sat out 6 games with a bone bruise. I say get Trevor Simieon and hope Peterman beats him out and sit a second round QB from this draft. If they both stink, that second round pick has a year under his belt and we have hop in 2019. Then rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, mileena said: Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. Mario Williams TO Charles Clay Tyrod Taylor Kyle Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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