Jauronimo Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Right. I have 2 problems with Sam. His knees. Both of them. I have another big problem with him and its that hes just not very good even if he is healthy, which is rarely. 6 minutes ago, mileena said: Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. That's a pretty terrible example considering one of those guys DID sign with Buffalo and went on to have an excellent year in social activism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Mario Williams TO Charles Clay Tyrod Taylor Kyle Orton Yeah but Buffalo always has to overpay. :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, mileena said: Yeah but Buffalo always has to overpay. :-( BBFICS Buffalo Bills Fan Inferiority Complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Herb62 said: He sat out 6 games with a bone bruise. I say get Trevor Simieon and hope Peterman beats him out and sit a second round QB from this draft. If they both stink, that second round pick has a year under his belt and we have hop in 2019. Then rinse and repeat. .....poor Sam is a no....like the kid, but he's damaged goods.....Smith may or may not be in the mix.....he has one year left at $17 mil and rumors are Andy wants a 2nd......do you rent him for a 2nd or offer a 3rd contingent upon him agreeing to a one year extension?....you'd need two years forr him to mentor the 1st round QB pick and Peterman.....Stanton may not be a bad vet option as a UFA coming off 2 years, $6.5 mil ($4.5 mil was guaranteed) with 'Zona...may not want to stay with Bruce gone....Lions took him in the 2nd out of MSU....he's 33 and has more game day experience than Siemian or McCarron.... Edited January 17, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, mileena said: Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. Jeremy Power, Micah Hyde... yeah I see where you're going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. he does get hurt but when he plays he is good. check out his 2016 season. After watching Tyrod play for three years Bradford will seem like Johnny u 1 hour ago, mileena said: Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. they came even at the Ralph era when the organization was a bit of a mess. With the new deep pocket owners who and committed to doing things the right way players will come. You don't want elite free agents anyway they usually are not worth the money. The mid range guys with upside is the way to go , Hyde and Poyer come to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 As I said in the other ongoing Sam Bradford thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: He also had a serious knee injury in college. That said (and I'm dreaming), if we can pull something off and draft one of the stud rookie quarterbacks and Bradford would come cheap. welcome to the show and bring the kid along. If Bradford can stay healthy for awhile and mentor the kid, why not? Again, one can dream can't they? No, no, that was a serious shoulder injury The problem with the "mentor the kid" is the "if he can stay healthy" conditional. 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: Smith may or may not be in the mix.....he has one year left at $17 mil and rumors are Andy wants a 2nd......do you rent him for a 2nd or offer a 3rd contingent upon him agreeing to a one year extension?....you'd need two years forr him to mentor the 1st round QB pick and Peterman (I had an involuntary shudder when I read "Peterman". It's not that I take an extreme view that he's trash or something, it's just that unless he somehow takes a miracle leap, I don't want to read anything implying he's in the mix as a long term starter) Smith is an interesting question. KC has to somehow shed $8M in cap before the start of the league year, because they're $8M in the red right now. Trading Smith puts them instantly $8M in the black. So does cutting him. Both cost $3.6M in dead cap. Their other top salaried players would leave big holes to fill, are already signed through 2020 or 2021, and carry significant dead cap hits. Whereas with Smith, you have the rookie QB you stalked for years waiting to take Smith's place. So the obvious move is trade him, and if you can't trade him cut him. The game of "chicken" for teams who might be interested is, do you want to trade a bit more to KC so you don't have to negotiate with a FA Smith? Or do you want to wait and see if KC cuts him loose and perhaps be able to sign him for less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think the better question is: why Sam Bradford over someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No, no, that was a serious shoulder injury The problem with the "mentor the kid" is the "if he can stay healthy" conditional. (I had an involuntary shudder when I read "Peterman". It's not that I take an extreme view that he's trash or something, it's just that unless he somehow takes a miracle leap, I don't want to read anything implying he's in the mix as a long term starter) Smith is an interesting question. KC has to somehow shed $8M in cap before the start of the league year, because they're $8M in the red right now. Trading Smith puts them instantly $8M in the black. So does cutting him. Both cost $3.6M in dead cap. Their other top salaried players would leave big holes to fill, are already signed through 2020 or 2021, and carry significant dead cap hits. Whereas with Smith, you have the rookie QB you stalked for years waiting to take Smith's place. So the obvious move is trade him, and if you can't trade him cut him. The game of "chicken" for teams who might be interested is, do you want to trade a bit more to KC so you don't have to negotiate with a FA Smith? Or do you want to wait and see if KC cuts him loose and perhaps be able to sign him for less? .....the conundrum of the $64,000 dollar question.......or $17 mil in the case of Alex.....anything more than a 2nd is too much IMO...so if no one year extension can be negotiated (probably most would have to be guaranteed), do you rent him and hope about 2019?......keep in mind with crazy money out there, trying to logically come to some type of conclusion or amenable solution is probably out the window.....maybe a Stanton type, 'Zona UFA coming off 2 year, $6.5 mil deal becomes a more plausible option as at least a vet presence if Alex generates a bidding war......just a thought for alternative openers........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, mileena said: Because no free agent in their right mind comes to Buffalo. Look at Jeremy Maclin, Anquan Boldin, etc. Thats right and look where Maclin was come playoff time OOPS Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, bills6969 said: Much rather go after Bradford than cousins. I feel Vikes are going to stick with Keenum for the long run. He couldn't stand up to a half a season of flag football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Because he’s not reliable. Finishing more that a quarter season is a desirable trait in your starting QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, ddaryl said: No he played 2 games for the Vikings before hurting his knee and being placed on IR two games in 2017 with a very high qb rating and had an outstanding 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: two games in 2017 with a very high qb rating and had an outstanding 2016 Bradford had an outstanding 2017 as well. Every time Keenum looked over at the sidelines he saw Bradford out, standing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: two games in 2017 with a very high qb rating and had an outstanding 2016 This is exactly why I refer to Bradford as "QB Fool's Gold". When he's healthy, he is sometimes a thing of beauty. But it doesn't last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Spolier alert Sam is in the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) I'd be careful with Bradford and Keenum as working with Shurmur seems to bring out the best in them. Nick Foles threw 27 TD's and 2 INT's under Chip Kelly and Shurmur. Bradford's best years came with Shurmur on the sideline. Edited January 18, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Herb62 said: He sat out 6 games with a bone bruise. I say get Trevor Simieon and hope Peterman beats him out and sit a second round QB from this draft. If they both stink, that second round pick has a year under his belt and we have hop in 2019. Then rinse and repeat. Do you like losing or something? Did you see those 2 play this year? Coach McDermott wants to win AND rebuild. I cant see him signing onto something like this . we're the defending 6th seed in 2018. The woe is Me we need a 3 year rebuilding plan days are over. I know it's a tough transition for some of us. Edited January 18, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I am fine with it as long as they still go for a top prospect in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) I might agree with signing Bradford if we had an o line good enough for pass protection. As it stands, there's no way we could keep Bradford upright and he'd probably last all of 2 weeks in to the season Edited January 18, 2018 by buffalo2218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: I am fine with it as long as they still go for a top prospect in this draft. Like who for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Mario Williams TO Charles Clay Tyrod Taylor Kyle Orton You realize those are all terrible examples to your point. Mario Williams was the highest defensive played ever at that point when he signed that contract. TO was old, and overpaid. Charles Clay was a restricted free agent, Bills built that contract so Miami couldn't match and no one else wanted to. He took the most money. Tyrod wanted a chance to start. Other teams wanted him to wait behind a guy. Here he was immediately in a qb competition unlike anywhere else. Kyle orton... no one wanted !@#$ing Kyle Orton. 11 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I have another big problem with him and its that hes just not very good even if he is healthy, which is rarely. That's a pretty terrible example considering one of those guys DID sign with Buffalo and went on to have an excellent year in social activism. Did He? In social activism... I'm not hating on him for doing it, I'm just questioning what he has done since he retired and floated the idea of coming back. Understand, to make what you are saying true, these accomplishments have to have taken place from August on. I'll give you all of August because I'm pretty sure you're just making this up. 9 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Thats right and look where Maclin was come playoff time OOPS Jeremy I'm sure he really would have made a difference in that 10-3 game. Really regretting not getting all those targets. He probably would have been traded for a !@#$ing 7th round pick before the season began. Why would any wr sign with this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Orton three for 3000 yards in 12 games that one season. Somehow he was hated by many but he could sling a ball. I didn’t hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Sam Bradhurt is horrible. My hope is that Teddy Bridgewater becomes available, rather take a risk on him and draft a QB to groom in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: I might agree with signing Bradford if we had an o line good enough for pass protection. As it stands, there's no way we could keep Bradford upright and he'd probably last all of 2 weeks in to the season Has a good O-line in Minnesota and still couldn't last 2 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smuvtalker Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 18 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Not so much of a bridge, more like a rickety old plank across the water, that may or may not snap in half as you make your way across. COULD get you safely to the other side or could drown your season half way through... Effing priceless!!! ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: two games in 2017 with a very high qb rating and had an outstanding 2016 he is definitely an option and he is a very accurate QB when healthy. If we go SB then we need 2 top OL IMO.. He needs a clean pocket and time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I like Bradford a lot but his injury history takes him out of the conversation for me. If he's the best we can do and we draft our heir apparent in the draft so be it. Just don't count on, what over under 6 games? Availability is a key to Sunday's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 while i would like mayfield, i wouldn't want to pay what it's going to take to go up that high. i would be happy if rudolph fell to us. however, i feel there is going to be quite a boost to this roster this off season....plus we get a couple of guys back healthy. this defense will better and our oline will improve. i also think they have a very good draft. that being said, i think peterman can get us to 10 + wins. i understand the train of thought concerning the need for a vet presence, but instead of over paying or giving up picks, i think we could be fine with nate in his second year. unless we do sign a big name, he will be our starter. after another camp and preseason, i really think he will impress. flame away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 20 hours ago, matter2003 said: Because he is always hurt and he isn't that good when he isn't hurt. other than this, he'd be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Like who for example? Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield,Rudolph 1st 2 will cost a bunch to move up that much. The other two will cost A bunch to move up but not as much as the first 2. Do not want Allen or Jackson or a later round QB. I am fine with them spending on a move up to get one of these top 4. Edited January 18, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: You realize those are all terrible examples to your point. Mario Williams was the highest defensive played ever at that point when he signed that contract. TO was old, and overpaid. Charles Clay was a restricted free agent, Bills built that contract so Miami couldn't match and no one else wanted to. He took the most money. Tyrod wanted a chance to start. Other teams wanted him to wait behind a guy. Here he was immediately in a qb competition unlike anywhere else. Kyle orton... no one wanted !@#$ing Kyle Orton. I was responding to a post that said FAs NEVER come to Buffalo. Kyle helped us get our first winning season in 10 years. While TO was here, he set the record for longest TD pass in Bills franchise history. You wand the best (Mario), you gotta pay him. How much would he have taken else where since you know we over paid him? 12 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Orton three for 3000 yards in 12 games that one season. Somehow he was hated by many but he could sling a ball. I didn’t hate him. Me neither. I wish he and Coach Moron had stayed another year. 8 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield,Rudolph 1st 2 will cost a bunch to move up that much. The other two will cost A bunch to move up but not as much as the first 2. Do not want Allen or Jackson or a later round QB. I am fine with them spending on a move up to get one of these top 4. We agree! I don't want Allen either. We have enough QBs with accuracy issues on the roster already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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