BadLandsMeanie Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Buddy confirms. But says price starts with a 2nd rounder (right now) If they get a 2nd rounder for him, it would be the swindle of the decade. I hope they do! I would give a 6th or 7th if I needed a conditional depth player. I think he may be the least nimble player on the team, which is a problem. Edited January 15, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I couldn’t see the Bills getting a 2nd rounder for him. I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask 30 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: I mean there's some untapped potential in the guy but I don't see us getting a 2nd. If we could that would be fantastic. Yeah thats just what he says the asking price is. From what i can tell by talking its like a not selling cheap thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jpsredemption said: Is this even a credible source or do we take anything at face value? They have been credible in the past. As with anything like this, no, don’t take it at “face value.” Take it fwiw. A rugby website said Sammy was on the trade block months prior to it going down. Edited January 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Other Names i am hearing with addition of shaq and taylor and glenn are miller washington and a shocking one text verbatim ”dont be suprised if you hear CCs name floated around on the block” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Other Names i am hearing with addition of shaq and taylor and glenn are miller washington and a shocking one text verbatim ”dont be suprised if you hear CCs name floated around on the block” If they are cleaning up that much then we must have a very strong feel for FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Other Names i am hearing with addition of shaq and taylor and glenn are miller washington and a shocking one text verbatim ”dont be suprised if you hear CCs name floated around on the block” Is CC Charles Clay? If yes, that isn’t shocking. Of that whole list, the most shocking is Lawson. Taylor will not fetch anything of value, Glenn might get a 3rd and Miller and Washington will be hard-pressed to return a 5th or more. Overall, I like the team’s direction, but this fire sale, if true, seems imprudent. The picks you might get for those guys are very unlikely to even match the production of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Did they trade that bum yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Is CC Charles Clay? If yes, that isn’t shocking. Of that whole list, the most shocking is Lawson. Taylor will not fetch anything of value, Glenn might get a 3rd and Miller and Washington will be hard-pressed to return a 5th or more. Overall, I like the team’s direction, but this fire sale, if true, seems imprudent. The picks you might get for those guys are very unlikely to even match the production of those guys. Yeah CC is Clay. It was shocking to me because he is very productive and the New OC works with TEs a ton. And he was very productive under new OC in MIA Edited January 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardb1952 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Ultimately, I believe the Bills look at a Lawson or a Hughes and say; Do these guys fit in the system we want to run? Would we have drafted either of them in any round? The Bills have a very clear idea the skill set they want at each position and I think these, and others, don't fit that model. Still good players, just not right for what the Bills are looking to do. I just think it is hard to replace your entire defensive line in one year, assuming Kyle retires. Fortunately for the Bills some of the DE they have (Yarbrough and Ryan) were situationally productive. DTs, not so much. I hope they have a list of -under the radar personnel- they have their eye on cause there are a lot of holes to fill. Hopefully they can do to the Defensive line and LB core what they did to the secondary last year. If they can, this defense can be special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 3:04 PM, McBean said: Good if true. Another Whaley bust. More like a Ryan bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 3:01 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I wouldn’t sell low on him. I don’t know that he will ever be a top end guy but I think that he can be an 8 sack guy that’s good against the run. There’s no reason to open another hole. I think they didn't see a large drop off after davis/yarbrough/capi played... and none of them was expensive or hard to acquire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 On 1/13/2018 at 1:09 PM, LEBills said: Hated the pick when we took him. Hated the pick more when we found out his shoulder was a bum. They can probably find find a cheaper, edge setting DE with a low draft pick (which is all we can expect back) so I get the move. Such a shame that our recent history is littered with wasted draft capital. Why open the hole and use a draft pick to fill it the exact same way? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said: Why open the hole and use a draft pick to fill it the exact same way? Shaq is an immovable force for edge setting on runs. He repeatedly pushs two blockers like 1 OL+1 RB or 1 OL+1 med TE forward and holds his own if two OL block him. Why trade him for a conditional 5th or 6th that we all know will be from a team drafting very late in those rounds like they did with KC Philly and LA dumb trades. Then draft a guy or sign a FA with similar skills to then have as much or more money tied up in cap between the two? STUPID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, dneveu said: I think they didn't see a large drop off after davis/yarbrough/capi played... and none of them was expensive or hard to acquire. As I said earlier, this is key and when you look at Davis and Yarborough they have that pass rush burst that you want out of a DE. We'll hang on to both of them for sure. Would like a blue chip player at the position now. Really love Bradly Chubb but he's going top 10-15 easily. 1 hour ago, buffalostu2 said: Why open the hole and use a draft pick to fill it the exact same way? I generally agree with this unless you can get a guy that's far superior. Since we have a QB need we most likely are not targeting a guy like Bradly Chubb who is actually the full package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Not surprised. He is a decent edge setter. if anything I would like Lawson to get a little bigger and stronger and move him inside on passing situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 We missed his run defense as the year wore on. Yarbrough routinely got his ass handed to him as he lost his corner. Lawson is a bit stiff in the hips and doesn't have a great first step, but he is adequate as a pass rusher as he isn't without athleticism and he's strong at the POA. Until we have a definite upgrade at the position, it makes little sense to get rid of him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Other Names i am hearing with addition of shaq and taylor and glenn are miller washington and a shocking one text verbatim ”dont be suprised if you hear CCs name floated around on the block” No surprise if all of Whaley’s gems are gone. Except Troy O’Leary, he is a fine back-up TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, buffalostu2 said: Why open the hole and use a draft pick to fill it the exact same way? You assume too much here. Maybe they get a draft pick in return, but don’t use it to fill it the exact same way, but rather upgrade at the position in FA or elsewhere in the draft. Maybe they use the pick on a RB and sign a pass rusher in FA who is better than Shaq. If he’s a liability in the pass rush, or there is an opportunity to upgrade, there is already a hole there whether it’s on paper or not. Edited January 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah CC is Clay. It was shocking to me because he is very productive and the New OC works with TEs a ton. And he was very productive under new OC in MIA He is, but like Glenn, they are good players with injury concerns. Some dead money comes with a trade, it appears, but I'd think they wouldn't move Clay without getting a decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Big C said: He is, but like Glenn, they are good players with injury concerns. Some dead money comes with a trade, it appears, but I'd think they wouldn't move Clay without getting a decent return. I agree... and frankly there are always players available for trade at the right price. Very few on this team are “untouchable” at this point if the rebuild. Clay’s knee situation isn’t getting any better, but he shows up on Sundays so I’m good with him staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I thought we don't save any money by getting rid of CC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I thought we don't save any money by getting rid of CC? We don’t save much cap space by cutting him. This is in reference to trading him and getting something in return - a draft pick or player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, cba fan said: Shaq is an immovable force for edge setting on runs. He repeatedly pushs two blockers like 1 OL+1 RB or 1 OL+1 med TE forward and holds his own if two OL block him. Why trade him for a conditional 5th or 6th that we all know will be from a team drafting very late in those rounds like they did with KC Philly and LA dumb trades. Then draft a guy or sign a FA with similar skills to then have as much or more money tied up in cap between the two? STUPID. Oh, I don't know. Maybe because we need someone who's actually capable of RUSHING THE PASSER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 6 hours ago, nucci said: More like a Ryan bust That's my take as well. Whaley put the draft board together but Rex made the pick, based on his affinity for Clemson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: We missed his run defense as the year wore on. Yarbrough routinely got his ass handed to him as he lost his corner. Lawson is a bit stiff in the hips and doesn't have a great first step, but he is adequate as a pass rusher as he isn't without athleticism and he's strong at the POA. Until we have a definite upgrade at the position, it makes little sense to get rid of him at this point. Lawson is a LOT stiff in the hips and has a terrible first step. Like as bad as it gets for an NFL DE. He may have the potential to get better but he wasn't an adequate pass rusher this year. Scarcely touched a QB all year. And fwiw, he got hurt in the KC game and that was the game where the opposition finally stopped rushing for 200 yards on the Bills every week. Not saying he isn't a good run defender but for being so good he wasn't very impactful in the worst three game defensive stretch in team history. The guy who is impactful in run D is Dareus. Did you see him manhandling first team All Pro David DeCastro yesterday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big C said: He is, but like Glenn, they are good players with injury concerns. Some dead money comes with a trade, it appears, but I'd think they wouldn't move Clay without getting a decent return. Not sure Clays dead money really hurts next year. Think he is just about done with the contract let me look yeah saves nothing unless it is a post june 1 trade. Then saves 4.5M what a horrible decision to restructure that contract was Edited January 15, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 I’m putting this tweet here because it was RTd by Buffalo Fanatics. I don’t know if it has anything to do with Lawson, but it’s a rumor and this is a rumor type thread so I thought I would bury it here. No idea what it’s about, or if it’s true, but feel free to wildly speculate I suppose. The account has 50k followers and is based out of Vegas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Can’t be anything involving a trade since nothing can happen until the new league year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Can’t be anything involving a trade since nothing can happen until the new league year. Maybe someone is getting extended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe someone is getting extended It's got to be Peterman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, Juice_32 said: It's got to be Peterman. Keys to the city. Why wait? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m putting this tweet here because it was RTd by Buffalo Fanatics. I don’t know if it has anything to do with Lawson, but it’s a rumor and this is a rumor type thread so I thought I would bury it here. No idea what it’s about, or if it’s true, but feel free to wildly speculate I suppose. The account has 50k followers and is based out of Vegas. My first instinct when reading this is that Glenn is going to be traded. But, then I don't recall any leaks coming out of OBD under this regime like it was under Whaley & crew. I really like Glenn. We could have two very solid to good tackles which is hard to come by in this league nowadays with the lack of development at the college level for the big guys. Glenn was reliable his first 5 seasons. Past two he's missed 15 games. So, I really am about 50/50 on how I feel about trading him. Then it is also not the new year so that can't be it. Edited January 26, 2018 by Captain Murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m putting this tweet here because it was RTd by Buffalo Fanatics. I don’t know if it has anything to do with Lawson, but it’s a rumor and this is a rumor type thread so I thought I would bury it here. No idea what it’s about, or if it’s true, but feel free to wildly speculate I suppose. The account has 50k followers and is based out of Vegas. What could it possibly be? Like CaptnCoke11 said, the trade window doesn't open until march. Player news... Kyle retiring? Something with Incognito? A contract extension for someone (Benjamin? Gaines? Kyle?)? That's about all the guesses I have off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Trades can't happen now can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 If the Bills could land a good pick (3rd rounder I would for sure do it, 4th would be the lowest you could sell for) it wouldn't be a bad move. But if you are going to sell him for a 5th round pick or lower I would rather just try and keep him for another year. It was my biggest gripe with Dareus being traded, they sold low and didn't get anything back for him. I get the argument of sell while you can get something, if he struggles another year you can't get anything for him but I would rather bet on Shaq his third year in the league two years removed from injury than a 5th round or lower prospect. Once you start getting into the 4th round that value/risk proposition becomes more even. Overall I feel like they are going to ship him out for a 6th round pick which would be a bad move. I hope that they get a higher return than that. I fear that McD and the new administration is interested in having the team be "their" guys a bit too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: What could it possibly be? Like CaptnCoke11 said, the trade window doesn't open until march. Player news... Kyle retiring? Something with Incognito? A contract extension for someone (Benjamin? Gaines? Kyle?)? That's about all the guesses I have off the top of my head. I will guess this, or a player extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: My first instinct when reading this is that Glenn is going to be traded. But, then I don't recall any leaks coming out of OBD under this regime like it was under Whaley & crew. I really like Glenn. We could have two very solid to good tackles which is hard to come by in this league nowadays with the lack of development at the college level for the big guys. Glenn was reliable his first 5 seasons. Past two he's missed 15 games. So, I really am about 50/50 on how I feel about trading him. Well, no need to worry right now. they can't trade him until after 4pm on march 14th. I agree on Glenn. He was healthy and available until this foot injury. I have no interest in trading him unless it's a really solid haul of assets. Plus, Dawkins is far from proven yet. Butnifntheyre set on him as LT then move Glenn to RT. i don't care what side they each play, I just want 2 solid tackles anchoring the line. 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I will guess this, or a player extension Ah man I hope not. It's going to be a sad day to be a Bills fan the day Kyle retires. Gonna leave quite the hole in leadership on and off the field. I really hope he sticks around at least 1 more season (and preferably 2) so he can help groom a replacement (that I assume we will draft this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) From the same source: ScoutFantasy Tune in tomorrow morning (7-9am eastern) on @SiriusXMFantasy and listen to @DrRoto and @AdamRonis for more details on the upcoming @BuffaloBills breaking player news. Guess I’ll have to tune into Sirius tomorrow AM! ? Edited January 26, 2018 by Heitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 With Kyle, if he’s going to do it I can see him doing it as soon as possible because it helps the team plan going forward. I don’t think he will drag out the decision. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 3:38 PM, MAJBobby said: Not sure Clays dead money really hurts next year. Think he is just about done with the contract let me look yeah saves nothing unless it is a post june 1 trade. Then saves 4.5M what a horrible decision to restructure that contract was Why are people trying to get rid of Clay? He is a serious weapon if he ever is used properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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