Kirby Jackson Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Cutting Clay would be a ridiculous mistake. Zero savings. Whoops, you’re right. That would be really stupid. He’s a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) I didn't like Dennison's play calling, but I wonder what made the Bills decide to fire him. Like I truly wonder what their thought process was in this situation. Even though I think the Bills need to do better at QB, I felt all season like they set Taylor up to fail. They dumped his receivers and for the most part replaced them with grocery baggers. The oline stunk. The offensive style did not match his skill set and because of blocking scheme the run game took a huge hit. Even if he is the worst QB on the planet they should have done something to make him as successful as he could be. Seems like they did everything they could do to make him fail as hard as possible. On the flipside.. the same could be said for Dennison. He had mediocre for a QB, no receivers for the most part, and a terrible offensive line that couldn't block in the run game. Also they gave him Tolbert. Again, I think Dennison was a pretty bad coordinator, but I wonder why THEY think he was a bad coordinator. Edited January 13, 2018 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 This needed to be done. I think we all could tell that there was times they weren’t on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 The guy I trust is saying it will be Mike Shula. Let's see if he's right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Doc said: The guy I trust is saying it will be Mike Shula. Let's see if he's right. So not Mike McCoy? Your know so “someone” can say that they had Mike right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Doc said: The guy I trust is saying it will be Mike Shula. Let's see if he's right. God, please no, nooooooooooooooooooooooo! His offensive averaged 3 ypg than ours with Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I am going to suggest this pick over McCoy. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Please no Shula, no McCoy! Just sign Chud and things will get better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I didn't like Dennison's play calling, but I wonder what made the Bills decide to fire him. Like I truly wonder what their thought process was in this situation. Even though I think the Bills need to do better at QB, I felt all season like they set Taylor up to fail. They dumped his receivers and for the most part replaced them with grocery baggers. The oline stunk. The offensive style did not match his skill set and because of blocking scheme the run game took a huge hit. Even if he is the worst QB on the planet they should have done something to make him as successful as he could be. Seems like they did everything they could do to make him fail as hard as possible. On the flipside.. the same could be said for Dennison. He had mediocre for a QB, no receivers for the most part, and a terrible offensive line that couldn't block in the run game. Also they gave him Tolbert. Again, I think Dennison was a pretty bad coordinator, but I wonder why THEY think he was a bad coordinator. I think before the season, the Bills may have honestly believed they broke even or upgraded at WR. They had a healthy Sammy. They traded up to draft Zay Jones high in the 2nd. Didn't someone say he was "all that and a bag of chips" in college? I also think they genuinely liked Jordan Matthews and considered him the stable, hard working vet who would anchor the room be an upgrade to Woods. It's not an unreasonable theory - similar draft position to Woods and, in his 3 years in the league, his numbers were better than Woods 4 years. Andre Holmes was supposed to take Goodwin's place as the "burner", but be sturdier and more versatile. When he was targeted more in 2014, he did OK as a WR. I think they thought they had a reasonable group. Only then they traded Sammy, Zay's hands turned out to be stone, Matthews got injured several times, and the attempt to upgrade (Benjamin) got injured. So there they were, bagging groceries. I also don't think they thought the OL was going to stink. It supported the best run game in the league last year so how bad could the current group be? and they added Dawkins in the 2nd round and Ducasse (I don't know why Castillo has mad Vlad love, but he does) to improve it. But then Glenn got injured in a way he couldn't shake, Henderson was slow to come back from suspension, and the blocking scheme proved less suited to the personnel than they thought (or something) The whole thing with Taylor is very puzzling. Once they decided to keep him, it does seem puzzling that they wouldn't do what they could to make him successful. In trading Watkins for a 2nd, they took away his most comfortable target - and we can't say they did it to stockpile picks, because they wound up trading a 2nd for Benjamin who's owed $8M next year. If they didn't want to use Taylor to his best advantage, why not be bringing in Case Keenum or whoever themselves? As for Dennison, well, players get injured and coaches have to adjust - just as they should adjust for the players they have on the roster. Dennison did, eventually, but too little too late. But in truth, if it's true he insisted on starting Peterman, I think the honest "cause of firing" would be "made boss look like a fool on a national stage". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I know that the Panthers fans hated Shula. I don’t want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafioso Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Mike McCoy is a good OC. Don’t let the one half season stint in Denver fool you. Even Denver media said the offensive problems weren’t on him. IN FACT, he’s probably the most connected OC available and could grab a killer staff/assistants. id rather have Chudzinksi or Edgar Bennett/Alex Van Pelt...but just saying don’t underestimate McCoy, he’s a hot commodity and we’ll be lucky to get him. Remember, there are more stacked rosters looking for OCs Edited January 13, 2018 by BillsMafioso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, Doc said: The guy I trust is saying it will be Mike Shula. Let's see if he's right. That’s what I expect too. We are pretty much Panthers north. If the new panthers owner gets silly and wants their own new identity, I could see the Bills trying to trade for Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In trading Watkins for a 2nd, they took away his most comfortable target - and we can't say they did it to stockpile picks, because they wound up trading a 2nd for Benjamin who's owed $8M next year. They traded a 3rd for Benjamin. And the Bills fleeced the Rams with that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I do wonder if Chud is getting to much credit for those first 2 cam seasons. Shula was the QB coach during that time. Also Shula had a great 2015. Shula is actually more accomplished than Chud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugashane69 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Darrell Bevel from Seattle. To me he seems like a great fit..... experience with a mobile qb and maybe I'm wrong but don't think they have had the best receivers in Seattle either. We now have Benjamin Jones a healthy Mathews clay..... and best of all we have Shady! Assuming all are back of course. His only knock would be the play call at goal line vs patriots. I don't know a ton about him. Chudzinski would be my 2nd choice.... seems to have done fairly well with little weapons on his offense! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsMafioso said: Mike McCoy is a good OC. Don’t let the one half season stint in Denver fool you. Even Denver media said the offensive problems weren’t on him. IN FACT, he’s probably the most connected OC available and could grab a killer staff/assistants. id rather have Chudzinksi or Edgar Bennett/Alex Van Pelt...but just saying don’t underestimate McCoy, he’s a hot commodity and we’ll be lucky to get him. Remember, there are more stacked rosters looking for OCs McCoy was also dumped by the Chargers. Two teams in one division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: I do wonder if Chud is getting to much credit for those first 2 cam seasons. Shula was the QB coach during that time. Also Shula had a great 2015. Shula is actually more accomplished than Chud. Shula definitely has a ton of experience, and has been around for a really long time (likely because who his father is). But he has been hated by the Panthers fans for a very long time. My biggest issue with him is not knowing how to use McCaffrey properly. The one thing I will add for Chudzinski is that in the 2013 year with the Browns he had something going until Brian Hoyer got hurt. That was the year they beat us Bills on Thursday night. The game where Kiko jumps over the line to make a tackle and EJ got hurt heading out of bounds. The Browns started 0-2 that year and Brandon Weeden got hurt. Chudzinski decided to go with Brian Hoyer over Jason Campbell because "it gave them the best chance to win." Literally said the same stuff McDermott says to the media. This was his exact quote: "I feel like based on our current situation -- where we're at offensively as well as getting into the game planning for Minnesota -- that Brian's strengths are the best fit for this week and that he gives us our best chance to win," Chudzinski said. "The things that he does well fit what we need. For me, it's about who gives us the best chance to win." Sound familiar? These guys speak the same language. Anyway, the Browns go on a 3 game winning streak, Hoyer gets hurt and they finish 4-12. For a couple of weeks there Hoyer was big news. "The Browns are back" is what people were saying. Josh Gordon had 87 catches for 1646 yards and 9 TDs, with Hoyer, Weeden, and Campbell throwing to him. Chudzinski knows how to coach offense. He also made Derek Anderson a competent QB and is responsible for the development of Antonio Gates in San Diego. He also developed peak Kellen Winslow Jr. I'm really excited about the possibility of Chudzinski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Magox said: They traded a 3rd for Benjamin. And the Bills fleeced the Rams with that trade. I sit corrected. So we swapped WR and a 2nd for a 3rd. I think it remains to be seen for each trade. Benjamin had roughly the same per-game production as Watkins this year, can't claim we gained there. Certainly if the Bills cut Benjamin after trading a 3rd for him, or pay him $8M because he won't reno into an unknown QB situation, he'll need to produce well next year. If the Rams wind up franchising Watkins for $15.6M or letting him go after trading a 2nd for him, won't look smart of them will it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I know that the Panthers fans hated Shula. I don’t want him. To be fair, all fans usually hate all coaches save for a few examples. It's never favourite players who are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: To be fair, all fans usually hate all coaches save for a few examples. It's never favourite players who are at fault. That’s a fair point. They all seemed to like Dorsey though. I think most fans are harder on their coaches than an outsider will be but they generally like good coaches and dislike bad coaches. This is an extreme example but in New Orleans when Ryan and Allen were on the defensive staff most fans wanted Dennis Allen to take the reigns. They were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: That’s a fair point. They all seemed to like Dorsey though. I think most fans are harder on their coaches than an outsider will be but they generally like good coaches and dislike bad coaches. This is an extreme example but in New Orleans when Ryan and Allen were on the defensive staff most fans wanted Dennis Allen to take the reigns. They were right. The good and bad coaching in fans eyes are in the on field performance. That's why good coaches suddenly get bad when they lose talent just like when Norman left the Panthers and McDermott was suddenly a "bad coach" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But in truth, if it's true he insisted on starting Peterman, I think the honest "cause of firing" would be "made boss look like a fool on a national stage". This as well as squandering nearly all opportunities the defense gave Dennison's offense to score points and win games that they ended up losing. I suspect this may be the biggest factor in his firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I sit corrected. So we swapped WR and a 2nd for a 3rd. And E.J. Gaines. Sammy and a 3rd for Benjamin, Gaines, and a 2nd. If you're going to look at it that way. Pretty solid value. Yes Gaines is a UFA. But we got a solid year's work out of him already and probably have an inside track to signing him long term. I don't think he'll break the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, folz said: And E.J. Gaines. Sammy and a 3rd for Benjamin, Gaines, and a 2nd. If you're going to look at it that way. Pretty solid value. Yes Gaines is a UFA. But we got a solid year's work out of him already and probably have an inside track to signing him long term. I don't think he'll break the bank. Fair point. Gaines gave good value as a 1 year rental, and I'd like to have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Doc said: The guy I trust is saying it will be Mike Shula. Let's see if he's right. Ask your guy about Chud or Defillipo. Those are the 2 I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I'm gonna go with an unknown OC as the pick for the Bills. This is all just a guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) If McD hires Shula, McD will be out of a job by 2020. He won’t survive to hire a third OC. Edited January 13, 2018 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: If McD hires Shula, McD will be out of a job by 2020. He won’t survive to hire a third OC. When you put it that way, it does bring to mind how big of a decision this is for McDermott. He likely won't survive a 3rd one unless the team makes the playoffs again and he fired the new guy next year. Gotta get it right. Like the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: If McD hires Shula, McD will be out of a job by 2020. He won’t survive to hire a third OC. That’s an interesting thought and probably true. I think that firing Rico should be considered a feather in his cap. He was able to admit the mistake and pull the plug without worrying about “how does this look for me?” He will have to get it right with the next one but I am thrilled to see that he had the confidence to do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s an interesting thought and probably true. I think that firing Rico should be considered a feather in his cap. He was able to admit the mistake and pull the plug without worrying about “how does this look for me?” He will have to get it right with the next one but I am thrilled to see that he had the confidence to do it. I give him credit for holding his coaches accountable but McD and Beane completely bungled the offense last offseason, from personnel to coaching. The Pegulas give their management folks two chances - as they should. Third prize is you’re fired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s an interesting thought and probably true. I think that firing Rico should be considered a feather in his cap. He was able to admit the mistake and pull the plug without worrying about “how does this look for me?” He will have to get it right with the next one but I am thrilled to see that he had the confidence to do it. Well put. I know a lot of fans like continuity, but if something sucks real bad, what is the point of continuity? I'm glad McDermott was willing to pull the plug. I hope he is willing to do the same with one of his cronies in Castillo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I'm not gonna miss those stupid glasses on the sideline on Sundays. Good riddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Well put. I know a lot of fans like continuity, but if something sucks real bad, what is the point of continuity? I'm glad McDermott was willing to pull the plug. I hope he is willing to do the same with one of his cronies in Castillo. Maybe Castillo will be the new Danny Crossman.....UNTOUCHABLE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I sit corrected. So we swapped WR and a 2nd for a 3rd. I think it remains to be seen for each trade. Benjamin had roughly the same per-game production as Watkins this year, can't claim we gained there. Certainly if the Bills cut Benjamin after trading a 3rd for him, or pay him $8M because he won't reno into an unknown QB situation, he'll need to produce well next year. If the Rams wind up franchising Watkins for $15.6M or letting him go after trading a 2nd for him, won't look smart of them will it? Benjamin played with a torn miniscus, he wasn't healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 How can any fan of a certain age want a !@#$ing Shula on the team? Jesus… 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Woodman19 said: To be fair, all fans usually hate all coaches save for a few examples. It's never favourite players who are at fault. This is 100% true. Fans always blame coaching because they want it to be possible to change 1 guy and the whole thing to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: This is 100% true. Fans always blame coaching because they want it to be possible to change 1 guy and the whole thing to get better. Bring back to power run blocking scheme full time. That would be a 1 guy decision that would help tremendously. Edit- Meaning that Castillo goes too!!! Edited January 13, 2018 by Spiderweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) I just read in the Syracuse article that in the last 7 games we only scored ONE OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWN in the second half and that was By Kyle Williams !!! 16 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: so does Dunkirk Don get credit for this? lol Edited January 13, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Shotgunner said: He will claim credit if they hire McCoy. If they hire someone else he will say "things change in the nfl" Didn't he say Ricky was staying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Spiderweb said: Bring back to power run blocking scheme full time. That would be a 1 guy decision that would help tremendously. Edit- Meaning that Castillo goes too!!! Which power run blocking scheme? The one Doug Marrone used? Because Roman's scheme was a complete hybrid. We ran plenty of zone blocking under Greg Roman. His scheme had power run concepts in it but it had a lone of zone blocking in it too. A lot of our big play runs in 2016 were inside zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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