TorontoBillsFan99 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Any quarterback in the Christmas wish-list this year? I'm thinking - realistically here - that maybe Kirk Cousins or Blake Bortles might be the answer for the Bills and they'd probably fit in good with out system we're building. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) I think Bortles has proven an inability to lead an offense... lots of mental errors that lead to turnovers. Cousins will be extremely expensive. Not sure they’re interested in paying for a QB yet. I’d rather see them put in all their chips for Darnold or Rosen. I get a funny feeling they might. If they can get to 7-8 wins with their current roster, without an elite quarterback, imagine what they could do with a potentially elite qb Edited December 1, 2017 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Cousins is 1-6 vs Dallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Rumor has it he will be the highest paid qb in the league when he signs his contract. Even pseudo-franchise qbs getting to free agency will break the bank. And i don't think he's worth that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, jr1 said: Cousins is 1-6 vs Dallas That will be a problem every four years we play them. The question is do you want to pay a known commodity in Cousins who is an above average NFL starter elite QB money? We could get four to five solid players in next years draft if we sign him to give him some help. The other option is obviously moving up and drafting a 1st round quarterback and praying you made the right choice. I'm rather torn in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I'd pass on Bortles. I think most would pick Tyrod over him. I want Cousins though and built the O-line up through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, jr1 said: Cousins is 1-6 vs Dallas I know Cousins has stated he wants to stay with the Skins but I find it hard to believe with the way they've treated him, especially now saying they're going to evaluate him in the last 5 games, after he's been the starter for the last 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Yeah as really think the way Redskins are treating him is like dirt. Due to an owner who must not know anything about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 46 minutes ago, dma0034 said: I'd pass on Bortles. I think most would pick Tyrod over him. I want Cousins though and built the O-line up through the draft. This is exactly what im hoping for. Cousins and young OL help. Sounds like a recipe for success to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 4 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: I know Cousins has stated he wants to stay with the Skins but I find it hard to believe with the way they've treated him, especially now saying they're going to evaluate him in the last 5 games, after he's been the starter for the last 3 seasons. The problem is the Bills are re-building and don't have $25M per year committed to the QB position for the next three years. They are paying TT about $10M....That is their budget. Look for a QB drafted next year and TT being a gap QB for 2019 (He is signed through 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Tyrods better then Bortles. Cousins...and mark my wors now.....all of you.... Cousins will never play qb for buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 What's all the love for Cousins? He's sitting at 5-7 this morning and out of the playoffs already...again. Is he really a huge upgrade over TT? I'm not so sure. Draft a QB and an Offensive Lineman or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Marty McFly said: Tyrods better then Bortles. Cousins...and mark my wors now.....all of you.... Cousins will never play qb for buffalo. Cousins will play for whomever backs up the biggest truck. But I agree ... it won't be the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Bortles blows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 the one thing I dislike about the nfl is that the draft is after free agency opens. we don't know if we can get a qb at the draft so if we miss out on cousins who do we have? do we get gut punched and keep tyrod on the roster until after the draft or just sign a guy? cousins is gonna get big money. i project about 43 mil in space with tyrod and lorax cut but keeping glenn for now. that's with only 32 players on the roster and big holes at DT and cb. dare i say keep tyrod and groom the next qb under him and use the 40 mil to keep some talent and bring in free agents for holes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: the one thing I dislike about the nfl is that the draft is after free agency opens. we don't know if we can get a qb at the draft so if we miss out on cousins who do we have? do we get gut punched and keep tyrod on the roster until after the draft or just sign a guy? cousins is gonna get big money. i project about 43 mil in space with tyrod and lorax cut but keeping glenn for now. that's with only 32 players on the roster and big holes at DT and cb. dare i say keep tyrod and groom the next qb under him and use the 40 mil to keep some talent and bring in free agents for holes? Keeping either Tyrod or Gaines will leave us at ~$33M in space (~$28M after draft picks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Keeping either Tyrod or Gaines will leave us at ~$33M in space (~$28M after draft picks) 15 mil on roster to keep, saves 9 mil to cut tyrod but do you risk getting worse at the position? or do you risk going after sam bradford and he gets hurt like usual? or do we make a move for eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Blake Bortles lol....that’s embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: 15 mil on roster to keep, saves 9 mil to cut tyrod but do you risk getting worse at the position? or do you risk going after sam bradford and he gets hurt like usual? or do we make a move for eli? I risk getting worse before I go with either Sam or Eli. Ultimately the best path would've been keeping Tyrod through '18, but the more I things develop the more that bridge looks to be burning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What's all the love for Cousins? He's sitting at 5-7 this morning and out of the playoffs already...again. Is he really a huge upgrade over TT? I'm not so sure. Draft a QB and an Offensive Lineman or two. I don't understand the love either as a Redskin season ticket holder we look at Cousins as a QB who is very poor when in the red zone or toward the end of games. He will lose 2-3 games a year on stupidity yet he will make some good throws now and then. It's funny to see the Bills fans foaming at the mouth for a chance to sign Kirk. If you saw the Dallas game last night you saw typical Kirk...I'll pass on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 43 minutes ago, Marty McFly said: Cousins...and mark my wors now.....all of you.... Cousins will never play qb for buffalo. Agree, no way we pay elite money for a slightly above average QB. If I had to take a guess where Cousins winds up, I'd say he stays in Washington; they don't have anyone else waiting in the wings and he's a known quantity. Funny thing is, Scott McGloughn (ex GM who got fired last spring) wanted to extend Cousins two years ago; Danny and Bruce Allen were waffling over the decision, so it never got done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 If the brass thinks Cousins is the guy - pay him. If they do not, package whatever draft picks it takes and go get your guy. That is exactly why they acquired the draft capital. Don't be foolish and wait for your guy to drop to you or settle for a second tier. GO GET YOUR GUY. It's a qb league - without one you have no shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 All the pending FA QB's have knocks and baggage on them -- throw in Alex Smith, Eli if he's available (37 in January!), anybody on Denver's roster. Whoever plays QB in 2018, the Bills are not winning the Super Bowl next year. Other than Cousins, none of these guys project out beyond one or two more years. I would rather take my chances in the draft. I salivate for Josh Rosen but I don't think we'll get the chance to take him. Since the whole draft is a guessing game, and the Bills have a lot of holes, I don't want to trade 4 or 5 picks (= opportunities to guess right on a warm body 4 or 5 times) for one guy who may be hit or miss. Maybe Mayfield . . . ? And having said that, I agree it's a QB-driven league and there's no substitute for the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 8 hours ago, jr1 said: Cousins is 1-6 vs Dallas The Redskins are 1-6 vs. Dallas in Cousins’ starts. QB winz. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 44 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Agree, no way we pay elite money for a slightly above average QB. If I had to take a guess where Cousins winds up, I'd say he stays in Washington; they don't have anyone else waiting in the wings and he's a known quantity. Funny thing is, Scott McGloughn (ex GM who got fired last spring) wanted to extend Cousins two years ago; Danny and Bruce Allen were waffling over the decision, so it never got done. I didnt know that was the story. He plays well when he has weapons at wr and te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Marty McFly said: I didnt know that was the story. He plays well when he has weapons at wr and te. Yeah, I've heard this from several sources over the past year or so. Granted, they're second hand, but they all seemed to come to the same conclusion. I live in the area, so by default I hear about Redskin news from both the media, as well as fans who follow the team closely. Most around here seem to think Cousins is 'ok' and can do a lot worse. But they also want to see him come up big in important situations; such as week 17 last season where he threw a pick to the Giants DB in the end zone as the Redskins were driving to score and win the game to make the playoffs. Result of the game was no playoffs for the 'Skins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I think that the current administration may believe that Peterman is their guy. I know, I know, 5 picks. Goff couldn't even complete a pass his first year and now look at him. Some guys just need a bit of development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 10 hours ago, TorontoBillsFan99 said: Any quarterback in the Christmas wish-list this year? I'm thinking - realistically here - that maybe Kirk Cousins or Blake Bortles might be the answer for the Bills and they'd probably fit in good with out system we're building. Thoughts? Blake Bortles? wow..........and I mean Cousins? Nah I'm not sold on either guy. I'm still not sure about Cousins either, I mean he's always had A LOT of talent around him and great offensive minded coaches. Still comes up short when it matters. I don't think it would be too smart to spend $30mil/yr for a guy who's inconsistent. Unless we're just paying for a guy who can pass for 300yds a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 hours ago, davspo said: If the brass thinks Cousins is the guy - pay him. If they do not, package whatever draft picks it takes and go get your guy. That is exactly why they acquired the draft capital. Don't be foolish and wait for your guy to drop to you or settle for a second tier. GO GET YOUR GUY. It's a qb league - without one you have no shot. No. If the Bills brass think Cousins is the guy - fire them. For incompetence, stupidity and malfeasance. Cousins rep is one of the greatest con jobs in history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Yet another QB post speculating over a garbage QB (Bortles - don't be fooled by the jags success and thinking he's an NFL qb, he's not) and a guy who we will overpay for what he's worth (Cousins, haven't exactly seen anything spectacular from the Washington offense since he's been there overall, been to the postseason once since he's been on the team? Wasn't due to his play - overpriced average QB). Just sit tight, let the season play out, get through the draft and see this team start to come together. Edited December 1, 2017 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Ryan Finley QB N.C. State will start flying up the boards. I expect him him to be a late 1st Early to mid 2nd. I could see the Bills trading back there 2nd first to early second, picking up an additional maybe late 2nd. Edited December 1, 2017 by 1ZAYDAY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 25 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Ryan Finley QB N.C. State will start flying up the boards. I expect him him to be a late 1st Early to mid 2nd. I could see the Bills trading back there 2nd first to early second, picking up an additional maybe late 2nd. Finley is this year's Peterman. imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 How come so many people here don't like Cousins? I think the guy is a legit franchise QB material with upside to be elite-level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Our QB is not currently in the NFL. He will be drafted. Why pay big money for a guy that isn't a sure fire top 5 QB in the NFL? The answer is, you don't. No matter what reports or armchair QBs say, there is talent in this year's QB draft. You can pick apart every single guy and say there are flaws in every guy. But there is a lot that goes into evaluating a QB including the talent around them and the coaching staff in place. Also, sometimes the disparity in opponents in college is a lot more than in the NFL. So yeah....the top guys in the Draft that were all praised last season going into this year might not be getting the same praise, but make no mistake about it......there is a lot of QB talent in this Draft. The key is weeding through all the flaws (which may be a result of something not in their control) and finding the right guy with the right makeup and the natural talent and ability to take steps forward in the NFL. So you can go shopping for the NFL retreads all you want, but I'm looking at the Draft and finding my guy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, TorontoBillsFan99 said: Any quarterback in the Christmas wish-list this year? I'm thinking - realistically here - that maybe Kirk Cousins or Blake Bortles might be the answer for the Bills and they'd probably fit in good with out system we're building. Thoughts? Just say NO to hand me down QB's. There is a reason they are available. I want Mason Rudolph. Edited December 1, 2017 by Tatonka68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Rudolph Darnold Cousins Mayfield Rosen In that order.... Santa Baby, make it so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 6 hours ago, aristocrat said: the one thing I dislike about the nfl is that the draft is after free agency opens. we don't know if we can get a qb at the draft so if we miss out on cousins who do we have? do we get gut punched and keep tyrod on the roster until after the draft or just sign a guy? cousins is gonna get big money. i project about 43 mil in space with tyrod and lorax cut but keeping glenn for now. that's with only 32 players on the roster and big holes at DT and cb. dare i say keep tyrod and groom the next qb under him and use the 40 mil to keep some talent and bring in free agents for holes? Good point. I heard discussion about this recently where they compared it to the NBA, who have their draft right after the Finals and then free agency begins in early July. The NFL having their draft in the middle of the free agency period makes little sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: I risk getting worse before I go with either Sam or Eli. Ultimately the best path would've been keeping Tyrod through '18, but the more I things develop the more that bridge looks to be burning. the ideal option is cousins. i'd offer 8 years 200 mil all guaranteed at him. boom. then those first 5 picks all d line and lb. and the remaining 15 mil in efficient free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: the ideal option is cousins. i'd offer 8 years 200 mil all guaranteed at him. boom. then those first 5 picks all d line and lb. and the remaining 15 mil in efficient free agents. I think if we go outside the draft for QB the first 5 picks are WR, DL, LB, OL, & QB, not necessarily in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 9 hours ago, Gugny said: Cousins will play for whomever backs up the biggest truck. But I agree ... it won't be the Bills. Yeah i dont see this FO backing up the truck for anyone really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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