OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Did you see TT hit Zay in the hands multiple times and he couldn't hang on? TT knows he's out there. ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... Edited October 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Watch Zay catch 9 for 140 and 2 TDs now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? ...perhaps his husband?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... He's still gonna get targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Joe Webb can be the fifth receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 He's still gonna get targets. ...sure as hell will....the TBD pundits have downgraded the kid because of "lack of competition" which yielded 160 receptions....my analogy was how much competition did Jerry Rice have at Mississippi Valley State (NOT comparing the two PERIOD).....and someone perfectly posted about the number of drops Jerry had in his rookie year....of course the TBD (and posthumously BBMB ) crowd promulgate the "One and Done" scenario, asinine as it is.....the kid will come around...too much talent and passion for the game to deny him IMO....stay tuned......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Watch Zay catch 9 for 140 and 2 TDs now I don't think anyone around here would complain about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTO Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Paves way for Joe Web as a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 ...let's look at this logically.....a collegiate kid coming off a 160 reception season transitioning to the NFL, WHICH is a whole different ball game....he was not known for drops, so a few drops at the NFL level is a brand new world of hurt for the kid and a premature confidence breaker......he has to get over it and stop pressing because 160 receptions at this level ain't happening....at the same time, TT needs to look for other WR's as well including Zay who needs to build his confidence..."spread the wealth".... I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? Mabey, just mabey..... (see what I did there....) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. So, you are saying he is a possession receiver? Because that's all I knew about him coming out of college. WTH happened to this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. ....so in his FOURTH game at this level, cut his azz, right?.....certainly agree that minis, OTA's, pre-season and FOUR NFL starts should be PLENTY of time to show if he is the next Jerry Rice or a bust.....um got it......... Edited October 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I mean he's been targeted 17 times, 3rd most on the roster. The only people who have been targeted more are Charles Clay with 25 (which he's caught 18 - 72%) & LeSean McCoy with 23 (which he's caught 21 - 91%). Jones however has caught 4 of 17 - 23%... Jordan Matthews has only been targeted 13 times & has caught 10 of those - 77%. In fact, Jones has the WORST reception percentage of anyone on our roster who has been targeted period. The next lowest reception percentage is Kaelin Clay, who has been targeted 4 times & only caught 1 pass - 25%. Pro NFL players, especially WRs, should catch around 70% of their passes (which about everyone else on the roster has). WR is one of the more difficult positions for rookies to adjust to, but he's not just performing below average, he's doing epically bad. We can't afford to throw countless passes to him each game to help him "warm up" or build confidence. He has to make the plays himself! We are already 2nd in the league in going 3 & out, with 48% of our drives ending that way. We cannot risk throwing to Zay all those drives just to hope he'll eventually start catching some. We already don't throw the ball well, as we're ranked 31st in the league in passing. When Zay is targeted (which he frequently is), he has to make the most of those opportunities himself. Responsibility is on him. I agree with your post except the bolded. That stat is probably the most bogus stat I have ever seen. Its only 48% if you include drives that we scored points on and drives we were clearly burning clock. The reality is our 3 and out percentage is 30.5. We throw the ball pretty well actually. We just don't throw it often. On a per attempt basis we are, without looking, probably top 3rd in the league. Edit just looked: 9th average per attempt 13th Completion % 7th Rating 16th 20+ yards 10th 40+ yards 8th 1st% 4th Ints 13th third down efficiency (as an offense not just passing) 7th in third down conversions per game Edited October 7, 2017 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Is Greg Mabin related to Aaron Mabin? Of course they are even tho Aaron spelled his last name Maybin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Watch Zay catch 9 for 140 and 2 TDs now There isn't really anyone else in the WR corps to throw to but if "Drop Zone" Jones catches 9 passes tomorrow when they typically complete less than half that amount to the entire WR corps.........that would be a shock. And 140 yards........that would mean at least a couple huge plays. How many targets we talkin' bout' here? 25? 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Play Thomas at WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I think they make Nathan Peterman inactive, Joe Webb 2nd QB for this game and active an extra body - maybe Joe Banyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 There isn't really anyone else in the WR corps to throw to but if "Drop Zone" Jones catches 9 passes tomorrow when they typically complete less than half that amount to the entire WR corps.........that would be a shock. And 140 yards........that would mean at least a couple huge plays. How many targets we talkin' bout' here? 25? 30? Well if he follows his current pace of catches per target, he would need about 50 targets to catch 9 balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I think they make Nathan Peterman inactive, Joe Webb 2nd QB for this game and active an extra body - maybe Joe Banyard. That is what I'd do. Think we will need a 3rd running back here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 That is what I'd do. Think we will need a 3rd running back here. If there is a need for Peterson, even inactive, there is an old trick they can do - get a player thrown out of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Of course they are even tho Aaron spelled his last name Maybin He's probably trying to distance himself from Aaron. Clever trick. They look like brothers or cousins perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 That is what I'd do. Think we will need a 3rd running back here. It would be nice to see someone other than a FB give Shady a spell. I think not having a north/south runner with any quickness or speed is hurting the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 It would be nice to see someone other than a FB give Shady a spell. I think not having a north/south runner with any quickness or speed is hurting the run game. So essentially what you're saying is you've seen enough of fat, slow and old RB that drops passes and fumbles? You may be on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Aren't Bengals banged up in CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 It would be nice to see someone other than a FB give Shady a spell. I think not having a north/south runner with any quickness or speed is hurting the run game. Yep. They kept Banyard so let's see what he's got. McBeane signs and releases players every 8 hours it seems to improve the team, so why not try a simple move like dressing Banyard to see if we can jump start the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Yep. They kept Banyard so let's see what he's got. McBeane signs and releases players every 8 hours it seems to improve the team, so why not try a simple move like dressing Banyard to see if we can jump start the run game. ...why not a change of pace substitution to keep the defense adjusting?......Kenneth Davis in for Thurmal was an ideal situation......productive and forced defense to adjust while at the same time giving Thurmal a breather....don't remember egregious offense suffering.......... Edited October 7, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 ...why not a change of pace substitution to keep the defense adjusting?......Kenneth Davis in for Thurmal was an ideal situation......productive and forced defense to adjust while at the same time giving Thurmal a breather....don't remember egregious offense suffering.......... Yep. And both Karlos and Gilislee were both excellent change of pace backups to Shady. With Tonka Toy the only change of pace is fast to slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Three TE sets and pass out of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 Three TE sets and pass out of them Andy Benoit: How the Bills are playing to Tyrod Taylor's strengths (1:42) More of this with the depleted WR group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Philly Klopfenstein ? The thread should have ended right here. Bravo. http://media2.giphy.com/media/b9aScKLxdv0Y0/giphy.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Aren't Bengals banged up in CB? No, they just suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 No, they just suck The Bengals are more than capable at CB and have some depth. Not that it will matter against the Bills air raid attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 No, they just suck Sadly, One of the Bills weaknesses is playing up to one of the Bengals strengths in that matchup. Kirkpatrick, Jones and Dennard are not slouches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Some Clay, some Mccoy, mixed in with a little Zay, O'Leary, Holmes, Keep in and DiMarco. It's going to be tough sledding but I see the Bills trying to get the ball in a bunch of different people's hands. The type of game where like 8 different people catch a pass. Can we do that? Not sure, but absent a monstrous game from McCoy I think that will be the formula to sneak out a win on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I have long since stopped being concerned about our WR corps. It's a lost cause that will undoubtedly be addressed in the offseason. Brandon Tate vs Philly Brown starting in the slot is basically meaningless. Missing Gaines will be huge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 This seriously has to be the worst receiving core in the league. Hopefully Zay uses some stickem this week.Worse than Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Mike RodakVerified account @mikerodak 18m18 minutes ago More With Jordan Matthews out and Philly Brown gone, Bills will have 4 healthy receivers: Zay Jones, Andre Holmes, Kaelin Clay, Brandon Tate. WOW Cincy's defense will be up all night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Bradley GelberVerified account @BradleyGelber 5m5 minutes ago More Have to imagine that means we'll see Joe Webb get some time at WR & some heavy TE sets... #Bills Yeah, we seem to forget Webb is supposed to also be a WR. Career 8 receptions for 61 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) I envision lots of 2 TE 2 Wr and 3 TE and 1 wr formations Man, if McD and staff figure out a way to get a win out of this injury situation on the road against a good team, you really gotta start "Billievin". I see dark clouds around this game for sure due to the injuries..... Edited October 8, 2017 by 8-8 Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaSnow Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Man, if McD and staff figure out a way to get a win out of this injury situation on the road against a good team, you really gotta start "Billievin". I see dark clouds around this game for sure due to the injuries..... "Dark clouds" when thunderstorms are expected? I see what you did there. Pun game level = expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Man, Philly Brown must really be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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