HOUSE Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Zach Brown has left the building — without a contract. According to ESPN's Adam Caplan, a potential deal between the Oakland Raiders and this particular free-agent linebacker "looks like a no-go right now." Brown and the Raiders may have been far apart in talks. Perhaps so far apart that Brown was offended. That's the conclusion some are drawing from a pair of tweets sent out from his account after the visit had concluded. Caplan noted in his report that things could change between Brown and the Raiders in time, but Brown's tweets make it seem unlikely that he will be back in the Bay Area. Brown, 27, is a former second-round pick of the Tennessee Titans. He spent his first four seasons with the Titans, then enjoyed a breakout season with the Buffalo Bills in 2016. The 6-foot-1, 248-pound middle linebacker posted the second most tackles in the NFL (149), as well as four sacks, two forced fumbles and an interception. Inside linebacker was one of Oakland's biggest weaknesses last season, and the unit is even weaker now that both of last year's starters are no longer on the roster. Brown is the exact type of linebacker they need, it's not great for them that he left without a contract. https://justblogbaby.com/2017/03/17/oakland-raiders-zach-brown-leaves-without-a-contract/ Edited March 18, 2017 by THE SLAMMER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Maybe the offer Doug threw out there at the beginning of FA, which is probably what he did, ends up being the best he can get and he returns? Wouldn't be mad to have Brown back in the fold, especially if the deal turns out to be yeam friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Maybe the offer Doug threw out there at the beginning of FA, which is probably what he did, ends up being the best he can get and he returns? Wouldn't be mad to have Brown back in the fold, especially if the deal turns out to be yeam friendly. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I hope he overturned a table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 He seems to have a very unrealistic idea about his worth. Burning bridges as he goes with his attitude via twitter. Maybe the Bills want him back at this point and maybe they don't. I doubt his "pride" will let him come back for their initial low ball at this point either. He already made his outta here post on twitter regarding the Bills. He might not be worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Brown is a really good fit in this defense. The Bills have the $ and cleary he has relationships here. I'd take another swing at him now that he sees what others think of his value. Let him play WLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 He seems to have a very unrealistic idea about his worth. Burning bridges as he goes with his attitude via twitter. Maybe the Bills want him back at this point and maybe they don't. I doubt his "pride" will let him come back for their initial low ball at this point either. He already made his outta here post on twitter regarding the Bills. He might not be worth the trouble. The big FA money is gone. There are dozens of players that were expecting a big payday, but didn't get it. Now they have to come to terms with the lesser offers that are still out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 The big FA money is gone. There are dozens of players that were expecting a big payday, but didn't get it. Now they have to come to terms with the lesser offers that are still out there.This is where guys start signing the short term deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Looks like he wants to be paid like a franchise player instead of a 1 year pro bowler. The Raiders offer couldn't have been that far off from Buffalo's, and he left angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I hope he overturned a table ....Jim "Crissy" Everett versus Jim Rome was the best 'roid rage ever......and to think Everett had 'em on the ropes........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bg17 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On his show Monday, John Murphy said he got no sense that Brown would be back. The way he stated it made it sound somewhat certain. Take it for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Reggie is the Sam Preston the Mike & Lorax the Will, do we really need to use big money to re-sign Zack or go draft a TRUE weak side 43 LB? I'd like to use that $$ on a SS or WR. I bet we use Lorax more at DE than LB but he's listed as OLB on the official depth chart. Edited March 18, 2017 by r00tabaga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 ...so if he comes limping back to Buffalo, do you sign 'em?.....OR...is he sour grapes just playing for a lesser paycheck than he thought he was worth?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottdoomed Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 did we make him a offer ? i mean rags and lawson have to be better than practice squad peeps here i mean do we know what mcds take on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Would love to have him back, 3 years for $17M, $7M guaranteed, and let him play the Kuechly role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 There has to be something about him and his locker room behavior/attitude, etc that is rubbing teams wrong...Bills don't want him back after he played very well, Oakland doesn't want him and seemingly nobody else does either....something has to be up that hasn't got anything to do with his football ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 This is where guys start signing the short term deals. perhaps we get him on another 1 year deal. There has to be something about him and his locker room behavior/attitude, etc that is rubbing teams wrong...Bills don't want him back after he played very well, Oakland doesn't want him and seemingly nobody else does either....something has to be up that hasn't got anything to do with his football ability. That seems possible, but with all the leaks coming out of OBD prior to McDermitt I think we would have found out prior to now. Although, anything is possible. My guess: he is just way overvaluing his market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Maybe he's one of the ones who was sleeping in meetings (as Lorax mentioned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Maybe he's one of the ones who was sleeping in meetings (as Lorax mentioned) That would explain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 i agree, there must be something we dont know. and considering everything that nfl teams put up with, it must be bad he was clearly their best all around lb, definitely had the most speed of the starters, pretty much the only guy who could reliably be asked to cover. you would think the bills would be thrilled to have him still available and would be trying to get him at their price, but with the comments here about murph talking like theres no chance that doesnt seem like theres even interest from this end Maybe he's one of the ones who was sleeping in meetings (as Lorax mentioned) that would certainly do it maybe if hes still available after a few more weeks (tail btwn his legs) the bills might be able to get him at their price and under their conditions (no more sleeping in mtgs) sure would be nice not having that one more big hole to fill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Maybe they asked him about the Pittsburgh game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 With the Dre Holmes signing, if we could sign Zach and maybe a good RT and a CB, we'd be solid heading into the draft. 1-10. Davis 2nd. Best CB or safety 3rd. Best CB or safety or maybe a Few 5th. Kelly 5th. Lb 6th. Whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Good, come back to the team that raised you from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 He is talented but he is not a gamer. That has to rub coaches and team mates the wrong way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 There has to be something about him and his locker room behavior/attitude, etc that is rubbing teams wrong...Bills don't want him back after he played very well, Oakland doesn't want him and seemingly nobody else does either....something has to be up that hasn't got anything to do with his football ability. He was one of the guys yukking it up after the second Miami loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Reggie is the Sam Preston the Mike & Lorax the Will, do we really need to use big money to re-sign Zack or go draft a TRUE weak side 43 LB? I'd like to use that $$ on a SS or WR. I bet we use Lorax more at DE than LB but he's listed as OLB on the official depth chart. That leaves Preston Brown in the as a nickel backer. No thanks. We need a Lb with some speed. Currently too slow imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Zach Brown's biggest payday was his rookie season when he made $1.6M in cash his second highest was last season with the Bills where he made $1.25M. Zach's okay, but inconsistent. He had some really good games and some pretty bad ones, esp. late in the season. Toward the end of the season he was taking some really bad angles vs. the run and was a liability. I'd be okay having him back at a bargain deal....something in the neighborhood of a $2.5-$3M per year on a 1 or 2 year deal, but anything more than that I'd let him walk. He's great depth, and an okay starter so he does provide value, but I just don't think he's worth more than that and I suspect he and his agent are probably looking for $4-$5M per. At this stage in FA, he'll be lucky if anyone is offering much more than a 1 yr. $3M deal, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 That leaves Preston Brown in the as a nickel backer. No thanks. We need a Lb with some speed. Currently too slow imo No question they need a LB for the role Zach Brown's biggest payday was his rookie season when he made $1.6M in cash his second highest was last season with the Bills where he made $1.25M. Zach's okay, but inconsistent. He had some really good games and some pretty bad ones, esp. late in the season. Toward the end of the season he was taking some really bad angles vs. the run and was a liability. I'd be okay having him back at a bargain deal....something in the neighborhood of a $2.5-$3M per year on a 1 or 2 year deal, but anything more than that I'd let him walk. He's great depth, and an okay starter so he does provide value, but I just don't think he's worth more than that and I suspect he and his agent are probably looking for $4-$5M per. At this stage in FA, he'll be lucky if anyone is offering much more than a 1 yr. $3M deal, IMO. Seems his head is bit swelled if needful Oakland let him keep on walking. If he can humble himself and get ready to work. i would like to get him back in Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Every day that he's out there his price tag drops and this Oakland trip isn't going to help. As long as there isn't some major issue with him that we aren't privy to, get him back on a 1 year. We could do much worse this late in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Zach Brown's biggest payday was his rookie season when he made $1.6M in cash his second highest was last season with the Bills where he made $1.25M. Zach's okay, but inconsistent. He had some really good games and some pretty bad ones, esp. late in the season. Toward the end of the season he was taking some really bad angles vs. the run and was a liability. I'd be okay having him back at a bargain deal....something in the neighborhood of a $2.5-$3M per year on a 1 or 2 year deal, but anything more than that I'd let him walk. He's great depth, and an okay starter so he does provide value, but I just don't think he's worth more than that and I suspect he and his agent are probably looking for $4-$5M per. At this stage in FA, he'll be lucky if anyone is offering much more than a 1 yr. $3M deal, IMO. Yeah the inconsistency is maddening and just reflects a lack of commitment to his craft. I'm torn between wanting his exceptional talent back and not wanting him back because I couldn't really envision him on a Seattle-type D......100mph.....defend "every blade of grass" all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I hope he overturned a table or lit the table on fire and jumped off of the top of a van Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Yeah the inconsistency is maddening and just reflects a lack of commitment to his craft. I'm torn between wanting his exceptional talent back and not wanting him back because I couldn't really envision him on a Seattle-type D......100mph.....defend "every blade of grass" all the time. On the cheap it's worth a shot though. It seems like McD is running a totally different ship than Rex did. If you're slacking on this team this year, you are going to get called out. Stick that Marine D line coach on his ass and let's go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGBillsFan Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 On the cheap it's worth a shot though. It seems like McD is running a totally different ship than Rex did. If you're slacking on this team this year, you are going to get called out. Stick that Marine D line coach on his ass and let's go. Agree that McD appears to be running a different ship but if Zach has some character concerns, those are hard, if not impossible to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Agree that McD appears to be running a different ship but if Zach has some character concerns, those are hard, if not impossible to change. I'm with you. I just think at the right number it makes sense. He's embarrassed and will be held accountable moving forward. If there was ever a chance for him to turn it around, it's that combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 come home Zach. Then the team can take BPA in the draft at #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 ...so do you still want him if his $$$ ego is wounded?............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 94 solo tackles 49 assists , I'm surprised no takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 94 solo tackles 49 assists , I'm surprised no takers. Tape don't lie. Like badol said above, he shows a lack of commitment and it's glaring on tape; jumps right out at you in fact. And as estro pointed out, his inconsistency, even when he wasn't slacking, was also evident. That's a bad combination. Why do I get the impression that lack of commitment is the LAST thing McDermott would tolerate in a player and why do I think inconsistency isn't too far behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Interesting. Curious what he ends up signing for. Lb and safety is my biggest concern right now so would still love to have him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I think McD doesn't want a slacker and wants guys who don't take plays off. You can't change the stripes on the player. Time to say goodbuy. Notice how all the FA's so far are clean cut, dress nice and speek well. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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