VABills Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Net to zero was too far, but the impact is not nearly as big as those in "no income tax" states would have you believe. No at the dollar amount these guys make and with NYS taxes so high, this is 10's of thousands of dollars. May not seem like a lot but basically giving away a Mercedes every year and play in cold weather if I get two equal offerings is a big deal. Now if I have a chance to start at a position I want to start at, and a chance to make bigger money later, then we're talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 Doesn't Florida hit you in other ways in lieu of state tax? No, even the property taxes are about half & my local state tax on purchases is 6%. That's about 3-3.5% less than Erie county tax as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Maybe so but they have starting spots, a relationship, the same money and no state tax. That is all that I can come up with. Maybe a handshake is a little strong but a promise at the 1st meeting (which the Bills undercut). That's what I think it was, the promise of the first meeting. That would make sense. And make Rex's move pretty shrewd. I like our chances all things being even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Schick's Quatro would indicate that impending child support, which is a function of income (at least in most states) is a hell of a motive, and being in a stadium with thousands of witnesses is almost too convenient an alibi, but that by itself is too flimsy to responsibly make accusations. It should be interesting to see how this all unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) OK, we are already up to 20 21 pages...I have some important questions. (Went to 21 while I was typing!) What's the over/under on pages/threads for La'el Collins? Will this beat the Charles Clay episode? How soon do people start mangling his name? Lil' Colon...you know - Willie's little brother. Does anybody have a source for spare F5 keys for an HP laptop? I've always enjoyed the fresh "hope" of the offseason, but this year is off the charts. It is awfully fun to be a Bills fan. Edited May 5, 2015 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 No at the dollar amount these guys make and with NYS taxes so high, this is 10's of thousands of dollars. May not seem like a lot but basically giving away a Mercedes every year and play in cold weather if I get two equal offerings is a big deal. Now if I have a chance to start at a position I want to start at, and a chance to make bigger money later, then we're talking. This is where the Bills shine, we need major help on the line & have a great O-line coach to make their dreams come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad? Yeah if state tax is a consideration then, FL wins over NY.... But roman/Rex might look better on his resume? It's all going to be about the quickest path to getting him his millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 No at the dollar amount these guys make and with NYS taxes so high, this is 10's of thousands of dollars. May not seem like a lot but basically giving away a Mercedes every year and play in cold weather if I get two equal offerings is a big deal. Now if I have a chance to start at a position I want to start at, and a chance to make bigger money later, then we're talking. I imagine since it's not that much money that housing and food and cost of living over two years in Buffalo would make it even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'll just mentally assume he's a Dolphin until I hear otherwise. F5ing is time wasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Rex could definitely use that angle i.e. "you got bad advice from your agent and he cost you millions. Don't listen to him anymore." Exactly, plus play the card of having your money decided on the UFA deal, so why pay commission on your much lower salary to this guy when he's already cost you millions? If there was already a handshake deal in place, it makes no sense to take this meeting with Rex, especially doing it without the agents involvement. Rex got a chance to talk man to man to him, it sounds like the Dolphins meeting is going to be much more formal with the agent involved doing plenty of talking. And it sounds like Collins liked what he heard. That's not nothing. Edited May 5, 2015 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Exactly, plus play the card of having your money decided on the UFA deal, so why pay commission on your much lower salary to this guy when he's already cost you millions? If there was already a handshake deal in place, it makes no sense to take this meeting with Rex, especially doing it without the agents involvement. Rex got a chance to talk man to man to him, it sounds like the Dolphins meeting is going to be much more formal with the agent involved doing plenty of talking. That's not nothing. I think the Bills may have that meeting, too, today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'll just mentally assume he's a Dolphin until I hear otherwise. F5ing is time wasting I'll press F5 multiple times to make up for your mistaken notion. You are wrong my friend. F5 was made for the offseason. Press on. Press on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Maybe he has always dreamt of playing with incognito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The last player we lost to the Fish was Cameron Wake, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 The last player we lost to the Fish was Cameron Wake, right? I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 He is probably just connecting the Tannebaum dots. Miami is probably the favorite for that reason and they may already have some type of handshake in place. With that being said the "unsanctioned" aspect is interesting. The Bills circumvented his agents who, one would think, have a vested interest in him going to Miami. If Collins and his family like the Bills it may not matter. Regardless of what happens you just have to love the new aggressive bills...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If you are a twit, perhaps take a moment out of your day to send La'el some love https://twitter.com/70laelcollins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ummmm.... I hope you pay someone to do your taxes. No it doesn't net to zero. It is a deduction not a credit. You will get the state tax as a deduction from your income but still pay taxes on your income minus that deduction. So, if you make 100k, pay 5% state tax, your taxable basis will 95k at federal level. If let's say for tax purposes you have a flat tax of 20% on the whole amount then instead of paying 20k in fed taxes you would only pay 19k. So for that 5k in state taxes you would in effect only pay 4k. Does that make sense or do I need DC Tom you explain every nuance and make you feel bad? Thank you! I was about to post this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Regardless of what happens you just have to love the new aggressive bills......thats where I am too. He will make the best decision for himself as he should. But it will be by no fault of the Bills if he goes elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 They should bring Kyle Williams in to talk with him about coming to Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Actually, if I'm Collins, I don't care so much about the geography as much as who is going to make him look good. he can't renegotiate until 2 years, so he needs to produce a body of work if he wants big money. So he's likely looking at a place where A) He's starts, preferably at Tackle, which pays better. The Phins already have Albert and James as starters, which will be hard to crack. Maybe he beats Turner at Guard. Maybe. With the Bills, he has a crack at RT, if not is an instant starter at Guard with a chance to kick outside with Glenn's contrace coming up. B) A system that plays to his strength. He's a run blocker. Lamar Miller is not going to any Pro Bowls. The Bills have Shady f'n McCoy, Greg Roman and Kromer. Better coaches, better supporting cast, and a game plan that would showcase him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Back to the tax issue, just tell him any savings from the Dolphins will be more than balanced out by the playoff share he gets from the Bills this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 They should bring Kyle Williams in to talk with him about coming to Buffalo. Don't forget Ron Brooks, too. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Most people prefer Miami to Buffalo, and since he's from the South, I assume he does too. As for money, the taxes are higher in NYS, but housing costs are significantly less in Buffalo. The money is likely a wash. I suspect that in the end he'll go with the weather. You can bet that the Phins are telling him about having to deal with Incognito too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I just saw this on Collins' twitter feed: One play. Three pancakes. Watch #70. If you have trouble finding the number, just look for bodies flying off an LSU blocker! https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/BDA9D050571004979744179449856_1382579988633336845de7f.mp4_kCa6NZwPB32hAVFnhEoQ9ShXeL3TFKYqIdfUTnL2xYqX6hOX6uCa5FoHTESTdD2R.mp4?versionId=_XO40Pep7hMR155W57HdOKNnBFvcAnqV Man I hope we get him. Edited May 5, 2015 by dulles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Surprised the great Fish Blogger James Walker is silent on this? being the last ESPN AFCE Bills blogger before numbnuts Got the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Don't forget Ron Brooks, too. GO BILLS!!! Brooks may not like it. Kyle loves it and won't play anywhere else and is an all pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Regardless of what happens you just have to love the new aggressive bills......Absolutely!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Regardless of what happens you just have to love the new aggressive bills...... I was thinking the same thing. Thank God Marrone left, Collins would be afraid that he'd get ruined by him. Jauron wouldn't of dared being this aggressive plus Collins isn't a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Speaking of his twitter, he gives A LOT of love to Kelvin Sheppard, Jarvis Landry and Anthony Johnson. I'm sure Kelvin isn't giving him glowing reports of Buffalo. I wish I hadn't browsed that, my outlook immediately went from feeling like we've got a real chance back down to he's going to Miami for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Regardless of how good this guy is, I want the Bills to sign him just to make Rodak look like the big ass that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Back to the tax issue, just tell him any savings from the Dolphins will be more than balanced out by the playoff share he gets from the Bills this year. And doing PR work for ahem...The Sabres. {wink} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Brooks may not like it. Kyle loves it and won't play anywhere else and is an all pro. Good point. Keep Ronnie home. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Regardless of how good this guy is, I want the Bills to sign him just to make Rodak look like the big ass that he is. Don't worry, he will spin it off somehow as to why it's probably the worst place he could have ended. "LT and RT are set with all-pro's Glenn and Richardson. With the addition of Incognito in the off season he would have to dethrone both Urbik and Pears for a shot at right guard" Edited May 5, 2015 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingant Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I don't believe you pay State taxes entirely in NYS if you play for the Bills or don't have to pay any States taxes at all if you play in Florida. A lot of it is what State you are playing in that week. Some of these players are filing 8 or 9 State tax returns a year. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/09/05/tax-decisions-by-nfl-players-can-save-a-fortune/ http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/dont_mess_with_taxes/2013/09/state-taxes-take-a-toll-on-nfl-players-income.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I don't believe you pay State taxes entirely in NYS if you play for the Bills or don't have to pay any States taxes at all if you play in Florida. A lot of it is what State you are playing in that week. Some of these players are filing 8 or 9 State tax returns a year. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/09/05/tax-decisions-by-nfl-players-can-save-a-fortune/ http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/dont_mess_with_taxes/2013/09/state-taxes-take-a-toll-on-nfl-players-income.html That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'd love to see Mario, Kyle and Shady take a trip. They have star power, Shady can speak to why he came here and what it is like under the Pegulas and Rex. As long as he's cleared, this would be the final piece to this year. Whaley will ahve given us a very talented team and talented coaches. Catain obvious response to QB is a moot point as there were no good options this year. Next year if we do well we put a package together to trade up in the draft for a stud and retain our folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Speaking of his twitter, he gives A LOT of love to Kelvin Sheppard, Jarvis Landry and Anthony Johnson. I'm sure Kelvin isn't giving him glowing reports of Buffalo. I wish I hadn't browsed that, my outlook immediately went from feeling like we've got a real chance back down to he's going to Miami for sure. That was a different coach and different owner. This is a new Bills organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Shady can speak to why he came here and what it is like under the Pegulas and Rex he was traded, he wasn't happy when he 1st found out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I'd love to see Mario, Kyle and Shady take a trip. They have star power, Shady can speak to why he came here and what it is like under the Pegulas and Rex. As long as he's cleared, this would be the final piece to this year. Whaley will ahve given us a very talented team and talented coaches. Catain obvious response to QB is a moot point as there were no good options this year. Next year if we do well we put a package together to trade up in the draft for a stud and retain our folks. Why would Collins care that Chip Kelly didn't want him any more and traded him away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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