DaQuan Re-Signed - 2 yrs 16M

[Bruffalo]

18 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Lot of cap space difference as well. Jones is an excellent DT and what we need right now.

He's a stabilizer on that D-Line.  The difference with him in the lineup vs. out was pretty stark. 

 

The contract is right in line with his value.  

[Big Turk]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Hmm. Guess it was a bad year to need DL help. We are bringing back the same underperforming group and hoping for the best.

 

I'm a little perplexed about Beane's strategy these past couple weeks. Cut underperforming overpaid players, then turn around and re-sign a bunch of guys in the same bucket.

 

I'm sure the real numbers aren't so bad. Hopefully he's healthy and gives us the level of play we got before his injury. I'm not upset about this individual signing. Just confused about what the plan is.

 

Jones was not underperforming at all...he was on pace to be an all-Pro before he got injured...dude was not blockable on the DL the first 4 games.

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Jones was not underperforming at all...he was on pace to be an all-Pro before he got injured...dude was not blockable on the DL the first 4 games.

But yet we only got 7 games out of him. I doubt we get 10 out of him again.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, nosejob said:

But yet we only got 7 games out of him. I doubt we get 10 out of him again.

 

Doesn't exactly look like a player who is injury prone does it?  Perhaps look at his body of work instead of one season? 

 

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Doesn't exactly look like a player who is injury prone does it?  Perhaps look at his body of work instead of one season? 

 

Nahhhhhhhhh. Facts aren't important.

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

16,000,000,000 cents

 

One too many zeros.

[nosejob]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Doesn't exactly look like a player who is injury prone does it?  Perhaps look at his body of work instead of one season? 

 

Hey I hope he's great! I just won't bet on a full season and hope we don't have to go get bodies in October.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

15 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

No argument on the cap space (as I already mentioned). Again, he’s a good player and I’m happy to have him back. But the All Pro talk is insane - as evidenced by his contract. 

 

you can solely focus on his contract, but it doesn't necessarily prove your point

he's 32 and coming off an injury, that's going to cost you some $

& unlike Floyd, he presumably chose to stay here, which also means a bit less $ wise

 

in any event, a great job by Beane - kept a very important piece for a manageable number

he and Oliver are a very good tandem

and Beane will likely add a modest FA here and draft a guy as well

if we go with a WR at 28, there still should be talented DTs in round 2

the 2 guys from Texas, Jenkins from Michigan, and the Fla State dude are all possibilities

and I think we have an extra 4th and 5th rounder, so I expect Beane to use those to move up to get someone mid 2nd round

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes, prior to injury. And now he's 32 playing one of the most physically taxing positions. Are we going to be able to count on him in January?

 

I don't mean to criticize every signing but I was really hoping the Bills would use this offseason to get younger at every position, and cheaper at less important positions. I thought after all the cuts last week that this was the plan and I was elated. But here we are signing a 32 year old nose tackle.

 

Ed oliver is only 26, paired with Jones that is a formidable duo imo. We re-signed AJ Epenesa who is 25 years old, 26 year old Conner McGovern is the new center, re-signed S Cam Lewis whos 26, OG David Edwards has been promoted to G an he's 26. It seems like Jones is the only older dude we re-signed. I think we'll definitely add a DT in the draft, maybe 2. 

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Hey I hope he's great! I just won't bet on a full season and hope we don't have to go get bodies in October.

 

Umm...OK...you can't "bet" on a full season from anyone, but if you had to, he looks like a far safer bet than others on the roster who you probably "would" bet on.

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On Epenesa vs Floyd, I agree I would take Epenesa because he is younger. I don't hate that deal. I do think it is another instance of us spending a good chunk of cap space on a backup defensive lineman, which I have been against, but the market for that position really sucks right now and we aren't likely to be able to address it in the draft. So I get it. Epenesa at least still has some upside.

 

On the other players, they are young but they aren't cheap relative to their position and spot on the roster.

 

What it really comes down to for me is we are bringing back the same group of players that continually fail to show up in the playoffs. What has Epenesa ever done in a playoff game? Or even Daquan Jones. Two years ago he was out for the divisional round with an injury. This past year he was a shell of himself in the playoffs. Now he's a year older and we're giving him a 2 year deal?

 

I was looking forward to a big shakeup on the roster this year. We can't just keep doing the same thing and expect to get over the hump. After all the cuts last week I was certain this regime was of the same mindset. I've criticized this regime for being unwilling to step outside their comfort zone. It is like after last week they felt too far out of it so they had to bring back a bunch of players they "know" even if the value wasn't there. The Chiefs wouldn't have re-signed Daquan Jones, I am positive of that. And that's our competition. I'd like us to start emulating them.

 

 

I don't mean underperforming like he was a bad player on the field. But he missed 9 games last year... He underperformed in the same way that Tre White has underperformed. It's not his fault, it's just the reality. 32 years old coming off a major injury that left him hobbled at the end of the season. I expected him to get maybe a 1 year $5M deal on the open market.

 

 

So by this scenario, Matt Milano underperformed last year and has underperformed more in his career than DaQuan because Milano has missed more games due to injury?

24 minutes ago, nosejob said:

But yet we only got 7 games out of him. I doubt we get 10 out of him again.

 

We only got 4.5 games out of Mliano.  Do you doubt we get 10 out of his next year?

[Toyo321]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The good news is we're covering holes that make WR in Round 1 more and more of a necessity. One of the two Starting Safety spots, the Starting 1T spot, and the DE3 spot/insurance to Von Miller.

 

The bad news is that if you're someone who's hoping for something substantial in FA from other teams - that's getting less and less likely. Both from a standpoint of where we're at financially and covering 3 of the major holes already in house.

It's going to go #1 WR and then #2 Safety.   Or this might flip 180 deg.  Depending who is available and if anyone is willing to take a bunch 5 or 6 round picks to move up in the first round.  Which is unlikely but possible.

[vanislebills44]

an offseason 2 recover and i bet jones is back or close to the level pre-london, and for 10.5 guaranteed over 2 years up 2 16 with incentives, i would think most rational thinkers would take that...wilkins getting 25plus mil, is he 4times better??, jones 5 times??...

i personally feel alot better about the interior dline now, as im sure every1 else does or should 2

[finn]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Hmm. Guess it was a bad year to need DL help. We are bringing back the same underperforming group and hoping for the best.

 

I'm a little perplexed about Beane's strategy these past couple weeks. Cut underperforming overpaid players, then turn around and re-sign a bunch of guys in the same bucket.

 

I'm sure the real numbers aren't so bad. Hopefully he's healthy and gives us the level of play we got before his injury. I'm not upset about this individual signing. Just confused about what the plan is.

Well, continuity, depth, and familiarity with schemes are all pluses, along with rewarding hard work and performance. I do think Dawkins, Jones and Epenesa performed well. Dawkins had a great season. According to the Athletic (take it or leave it), Epenesa is the only natural fit on the roster rushing from the right side. Jones has been terrific, even after his injury. Lewis is good depth. Are you objecting to Rapp? Trubinsky? I didn't love these signings myself, but, again, I see the upsides. 

[Bruffalo]

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Doesn't exactly look like a player who is injury prone does it?  Perhaps look at his body of work instead of one season? 

 

Not to mention he had a torn pectoral.  It's one of the easiest injuries rehab-wise to come back from in football.  Much different from an ACL tear or ligament damage. 

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, HankBulloughMellencamp said:

 

you can solely focus on his contract, but it doesn't necessarily prove your point

he's 32 and coming off an injury, that's going to cost you some $

& unlike Floyd, he presumably chose to stay here, which also means a bit less $ wise

 

in any event, a great job by Beane - kept a very important piece for a manageable number

he and Oliver are a very good tandem

and Beane will likely add a modest FA here and draft a guy as well

if we go with a WR at 28, there still should be talented DTs in round 2

the 2 guys from Texas, Jenkins from Michigan, and the Fla State dude are all possibilities

and I think we have an extra 4th and 5th rounder, so I expect Beane to use those to move up to get someone mid 2nd round

Except I didn't just focus on his contract. I also mentioned that all of the All Pro talk is based on 4 games against poor competition and centered around his high pressure rate, which is something he's never accomplished before. Then there is the incredibly high standard for All Pro players, which is also something he's never sniffed. I'm not sure why fans here have to take a good situation and try to turn it into something amazing. That's not living in reality.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

We have a starting 4 + Von.  We probably need 4-5 more.

 

I wouldn't say were done with the defensive line, but the needs along the line are a bit less than they were a day ago.  I think its still a priority draft spot, and the phillips and lawsons of the world will be available to fill in any gaps.  

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So by this scenario, Matt Milano underperformed last year and has underperformed more in his career than DaQuan because Milano has missed more games due to injury?

 

Last year he did but I have a lot more confidence in Milano returning to form than I do Jones, and Milano is flat out a better player. With Jones it is two years in a row he has been ineffective in the playoffs, and I'm just not a fan of signing yet another 30+ year old defensive lineman. This strategy has yet to produce anything meaningful for us late in the season.

 

But I've said my piece. I know I'm in the minority about this signing, and I get it. At his best DQ has been a very good player for us. It's weird to say this about a 32 year old player but there is upside to this signing. Just not the direction I would have personally gone in.

[BruceVilanch]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So by this scenario, Matt Milano underperformed last year and has underperformed more in his career than DaQuan because Milano has missed more games due to injury?

 

We only got 4.5 games out of Mliano.  Do you doubt we get 10 out of his next year?

Stop with the facts, you're messing up the mental narrative that's he's already decided on.

[MrEpsYtown]

43 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On Epenesa vs Floyd, I agree I would take Epenesa because he is younger. I don't hate that deal. I do think it is another instance of us spending a good chunk of cap space on a backup defensive lineman, which I have been against, but the market for that position really sucks right now and we aren't likely to be able to address it in the draft. So I get it. Epenesa at least still has some upside.

 

On the other players, they are young but they aren't cheap relative to their position and spot on the roster.

 

What it really comes down to for me is we are bringing back the same group of players that continually fail to show up in the playoffs. What has Epenesa ever done in a playoff game? Or even Daquan Jones. Two years ago he was out for the divisional round with an injury. This past year he was a shell of himself in the playoffs. Now he's a year older and we're giving him a 2 year deal?

 

I was looking forward to a big shakeup on the roster this year. We can't just keep doing the same thing and expect to get over the hump. After all the cuts last week I was certain this regime was of the same mindset. I've criticized this regime for being unwilling to step outside their comfort zone. It is like after last week they felt too far out of it so they had to bring back a bunch of players they "know" even if the value wasn't there. The Chiefs wouldn't have re-signed Daquan Jones, I am positive of that. And that's our competition. I'd like us to start emulating them.

 

 

I don't mean underperforming like he was a bad player on the field. But he missed 9 games last year... He underperformed in the same way that Tre White has underperformed. It's not his fault, it's just the reality. 32 years old coming off a major injury that left him hobbled at the end of the season. I expected him to get maybe a 1 year $5M deal on the open market.

 

 

I am curious to see what the real money is for Jones, but I am not sure I love many of the alternatives on the market. They have been trying to find a guy like this for a long time and I am okay with them bringing him back at that price. The injury is a concern, but aside from this injury and an injury in his rookie year, he has been pretty remarkably healthy. 

 

I hear you on your concerns. I don't think this team can win a Super Bowl with their HC, so I am definitely against the idea of running it back, and it does appear that is what we are doing. I think we will still add a veteran safety. I think the WR room will look different, but those changes will come via the draft.

 

I get the Chiefs stuff, but they are going to pay an overrated corner the franchise tag, and IMO the contract they gave to Drue Tranquill is way worse than the one given to Taylor Rapp. Chris Jones is worth the money he got, but Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith will be free agents next year and they still don't have a left tackle. 

 

The brain trust has tried it all ways and failed. Draft young guys, and let them learn on the fly. That didn't work. Add high-end free agents like Von Miller and Star Lotulelei. That didn't work. Add mid-level free agents to complement the roster like Tim Settle and Trent Murphy...that didn't work. 

 

So it appears they are trying the "bring back our own guys and hope they develop approach." This and they will complement the roster with a bunch of rookies through the draft and hope it works. With their cap situation, this appears to be their only choice this offseason. 

 

The reality is that this team has Josh Allen and needs to catch lightning in a bottle in the draft to win a Super Bowl. That is their only choice at this point. 

 

Their fatal flaw, like a lot of other NFL teams is that they are going to live and die by their guys. They will never step out of their comfort zone. They kind of did with Von Miller and it has been a pretty massive failure. They are never going to draft red flag guys (except Araiza who they gave up on). To me the question isn't really what are they doing? It is why are they still here? But that is where we are at. There will be significant turnover and youth on this roster and it is only happening because it has to with the cap situation. And you just have to hope one of these rookie receivers becomes the next Justin Jefferson.  

[nosejob]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Last year he did but I have a lot more confidence in Milano returning to form than I do Jones, and Milano is flat out a better player. With Jones it is two years in a row he has been ineffective in the playoffs, and I'm just not a fan of signing yet another 30+ year old defensive lineman. This strategy has yet to produce anything meaningful for us late in the season.

 

But I've said my piece. I know I'm in the minority about this signing, and I get it. At his best DQ has been a very good player for us. It's weird to say this about a 32 year old player but there is upside to this signing. Just not the direction I would have personally gone in.

I agree and I like J.P. a lot as well. It's just the same scenario with him. I'm fine with those two and hopefully we can find 2 good ones in the draft.

[Matt_In_NH]

43 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

One too many zeros.

The extra one is common

[Kwai San]

7 hours ago, Whkfc said:

I guess if you don't change anything you can continue to lose in the second round.

 

Did you like just wake up for a 5 month nap to write this post??????

[MikePJ76]

Glad he is back and him and AJ getting Re-signed makes perfect sense.

 

at the same time I don't really feel like the team is any better.  McDermott and his defense just cant beat KC.  I don't know how they expect anything to change this year.  Seems they have to outscore them and to do that they are going to have to make sure they add playmakers to the offense and so far they have started the offseason by weakening and disrupting the offensive line.  

 

I am glad jones and aj are back though, they seem to play well when healthy in the regular season.

[NI Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Glad he is back and him and AJ getting Re-signed makes perfect sense.

 

at the same time I don't really feel like the team is any better.  McDermott and his defense just cant beat KC.  I don't know how they expect anything to change this year.  Seems they have to outscore them and to do that they are going to have to make sure they add playmakers to the offense and so far they have started the offseason by weakening and disrupting the offensive line.  

 

I am glad jones and aj are back though, they seem to play well when healthy in the regular season.

Hopefully we'll get the chance to see what a D with a fully fit DQ, along with Milano, Bernard, Benford a fit Douglas, a better Von and 1 or 2 new younger guys at the safety position can do against KC in the playoffs.  I don't normally like pointing to injuries as an excuse but the D against KC in the divisional round was absolutely ravaged.

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Hmm. Guess it was a bad year to need DL help. We are bringing back the same underperforming group and hoping for the best.

 

I'm a little perplexed about Beane's strategy these past couple weeks. Cut underperforming overpaid players, then turn around and re-sign a bunch of guys in the same bucket.

 

I'm sure the real numbers aren't so bad. Hopefully he's healthy and gives us the level of play we got before his injury. I'm not upset about this individual signing. Just confused about what the plan is.

Well, being it’s not yours, mine or anyone else here’s plan, and none of us will ever know the actual plan it is understandable that there may be confusion on the part of us fans, I guess we will just have to sit back and watch things unfold. 👍

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, NI Bills Fan said:

Hopefully we'll get the chance to see what a D with a fully fit DQ, along with Milano, Bernard, Benford a fit Douglas, a better Von and 1 or 2 new younger guys at the safety position can do against KC in the playoffs.  I don't normally like pointing to injuries as an excuse but the D against KC in the divisional round was absolutely ravaged.

it was and it was the second year in a row they had injuries.  Jones is a good player but it seems he always has something physically bothering him.  

 

They have made sure they have a defensive line they can play games with.  They need 3 more players still but right now is better than 48 hours ago.  

 

Still having said that these same guys who played vs KC were manhandled in the game and KC's offense is only going to get better this offseason when they add good wr's.  

 

The bills need to nail the draft and find some playmakers.  

[DCofNC]

Like it, if he’s healthy.. that’s always the issue.   Wasn’t sure if I wanted him back or not, but my opinion doesn’t really matter lol.

[34-78-83]

To think that when DQ came back to play last season in the playoffs that his pectoral and upper body strength was at full 100 go status would be pretty short sighted. This season, we'll be getting fully recovered DQ. Plus DT's like him can play a bit into their 30's. And the price? 10 mil guaranteed for 2 years is quite palatable indeed. Not sure why anyone thinks that is much in the way of a starter's salary. 

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes, prior to injury. And now he's 32 playing one of the most physically taxing positions. Are we going to be able to count on him in January?

 

I don't mean to criticize every signing but I was really hoping the Bills would use this offseason to get younger at every position, and cheaper at less important positions. I thought after all the cuts last week that this was the plan and I was elated. But here we are signing a 32 year old nose tackle.

There is no way to know who may be injured at any point of the season, so that is a bit of a weak argument, just look at Aaron Rodgers in the first game of last season, Milano’s broken leg, etc etc, sh-t happens, there’s damn little one can do about it. 
 

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Last year he did but I have a lot more confidence in Milano returning to form than I do Jones, and Milano is flat out a better player. With Jones it is two years in a row he has been ineffective in the playoffs, and I'm just not a fan of signing yet another 30+ year old defensive lineman. This strategy has yet to produce anything meaningful for us late in the season.

 

But I've said my piece. I know I'm in the minority about this signing, and I get it. At his best DQ has been a very good player for us. It's weird to say this about a 32 year old player but there is upside to this signing. Just not the direction I would have personally gone in.

 

Did Jones even play in 2022 playoffs?  

 

We can't have all DL in their 20's.  Most of them are in their 20's with Von and DaQuan above 30.  

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

17 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Except I didn't just focus on his contract. I also mentioned that all of the All Pro talk is based on 4 games against poor competition and centered around his high pressure rate, which is something he's never accomplished before. Then there is the incredibly high standard for All Pro players, which is also something he's never sniffed. I'm not sure why fans here have to take a good situation and try to turn it into something amazing. That's not living in reality.

 

ok, what is that incredibly high standard, sacks, right?

{unless you watch that all-22 film, or you are perhaps a D-line coach, or even O-line?}

I'm glad he didn't rack up a ton of sacks, because he'd cost more!

 

why did Madubuike get all that loot? (hint, 26 yr old DT with 13 sacks!)

we know he's not Chris Jones, or Aaron Donald, who also rack up the sacks & pressures

not sure where Frank Clark comes in, as he is a DE/LB who can sack the QB

 

all this doesn't mean DaQuon cannot regularly do his job in the middle of our defense (against poor or good competition)

why would you discount his pressure rate, stat guy?

but you are correct, he is not All-Pro status for whatever that point is worth...

 

I would argue he could sniff it if a few more of those pressures became sacks

amazing signing by Beane, Go Bills! 🙌

[Locomark]

27 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Glad he is back and him and AJ getting Re-signed makes perfect sense.

 

at the same time I don't really feel like the team is any better.  McDermott and his defense just cant beat KC.  I don't know how they expect anything to change this year.  Seems they have to outscore them and to do that they are going to have to make sure they add playmakers to the offense and so far they have started the offseason by weakening and disrupting the offensive line.  

 

I am glad jones and aj are back though, they seem to play well when healthy in the regular season.

Well they haven’t drafted yet. Say they add mini Kyle Williams in Fiske from Florida. You know they will trade-up and grab their top end receiver. Say they actually draft or pick a FA S who isn’t playing with 4 injuries every year (like Poyer always was because he weighed 185.) 

Last but not least they won’t be paying $17MM to a guy who played 8 of the last 40 games in Tre.(which meant he was being paid twice as much as Josh to not play)

Next year they have cap space and can likely dump Von. They are transforming! I also expect the Knox redo was also meant to set him up for trade next year or possibly even during the draft. 

Edited March 12 by Locomark

[Westside]

55 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So by this scenario, Matt Milano underperformed last year and has underperformed more in his career than DaQuan because Milano has missed more games due to injury?

 

We only got 4.5 games out of Mliano.  Do you doubt we get 10 out of his next year?

So your saying Milano is injury prone?

[TheFunPolice]

I like the signing, but hopefully it doesn't preclude us from drafting a 340+ pound DT

[Hsker4life]

Easily the free agent I most wanted back. It’s a decent deal also. 

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, Westside said:

I would not be surprised. The failure rate of rookie WR’s is almost as bad as Qb’s. We cargo into the season with Diggs and Shakir as our two main receivers. Even if we draft one in the first, will they be able to contribute right away?

 I’m worried about our depth at receiver.

I think you are forgetting about a certain tight end that our OC needs to learn how to incorporate better. Tge rookie just needs to take some pressure off Diggs…

[Logic]

People can feel however they want about this, but...

My only bone to pick is with those who say he's "oft injured" or "injury prone" or whatever. Prior to his pec injury last year, he hadn't missed a game in eight seasons. I realize he's 32 years old, but the DT position is one at which 1T and NT types have historically continued to excel well into their 30s. And simply being 32 is not a guarantee of continued injury troubles.

The Bills were significantly better on defense with Jones on the field that without him. His deal does not break the bank. For those reasons, I view this re-signing as a positive. If anyone views it as a negative, again, thats fine and thats their prerogative, but using "injuries" as the reason is odd to me.

[Westside]

Just now, Meatloaf63 said:

I think you are forgetting about a certain tight end that our OC needs to learn how to incorporate better. Tge rookie just needs to take some pressure off Diggs…

I didn’t forget Kincaid, I expect him to have a great year. I’m worried about if one of the receivers go down for any amount of time our receivers will be in big trouble come playoff time. 

1 minute ago, Logic said:

People can feel however they want about this, but...

My only bone to pick is with those who say he's "oft injured" or "injury prone" or whatever. Prior to his pec injury last year, he hadn't missed a game in eight seasons. I realize he's 32 years old, but the DT position is one at which 1T and NT types have historically continued to excel well into their 30s. And simply being 32 is not a guarantee of continued injury troubles.

The Bills were significantly better on defense with Jones on the field that without him. His deal does not break the bank. For those reasons, I view this re-signing as a positive. If anyone views it as a negative, again, thats fine and thats their prerogative, but using "injuries" as the reason is odd to me.

I agree for the most part. But you have to remember he’s 32 years old. Injuries occur more often when you get older. Especially at DT position.

We have no depth, depending on a mid round rookie or a vet cast off to plug in sounds like trouble to me.

[HankBulloughMellencamp]

5 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Well they haven’t drafted yet. Say they add mini Kyle Williams in Fiske from Florida. You know they will trade-up and grab their top end receiver. Say they actually draft or pick a FA S who isn’t playing with 4 injuries every year (like Poyer always was because he weighed 185.) 

Last but not least they won’t be paying $17MM to a guy who played 8 of the last 40 games in Tre.(which meant he was being paid twice as much as Josh to not play)

Next year they have cap space and can likely dump Von. They are transforming! I also expect the Knox redo was also meant to set him up for trade next year or possibly even during the draft. 

 

and I really think Terrell Bernard is a big key to stopping the Chiefs, matchup wise

having him and Milano back will be huge

(as compared to playing them in the playoffs with AJ Klein wearing a green dot helmet!)