GASabresIUFan Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 This maybe the busiest day in Buffalo sports history. Kevyn Adams pulls off a blockbuster hockey trade and kind of gets over shadowed by at least 10 moves by the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 56 minutes ago, HappyDays said: When the offseason first started, my dream was cutting White, Morse, Poyer, and Harty, and convincing Von to take a paycut. Consider me satisfied! Once we restructure Allen's contract we can be real players in free agency. Any idea where that will have us in terms of cap space? I’m too lazy to look it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Wasn't sure where to put this. Here's what I got so far this offseason (mostly today😀): Tre White post June 1 cut Mitch Morse released Jordan Poyer released Deonte Harty released Siran Neal released Nyheim Hines released Rasul Douglas restructured Von Miller restructured Mitch Trubisky signed David Edwards re-signed Taylor Rapp re-signed Matt Haack signed Ryan Bates traded for a 2024 5th round draft pick Coaches: Washington, Shula, Butler - out Ronald Curry, Jahmile Addae, Christian Taylor - in 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Spotrac has us at 7mil over the cap currently (I am not sure if all of the moves are reflected) but obviously before any Allen deal. Going off this number; and 11 mil for rooks, it looks like they’ll have 10 or so mil at minimum to play with in free agency if they get the Allen money converted. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ So couldn't the Bills wait till June 1st to sign all the rookies and that would allow them to use the $10mil saving from White to pay them with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Any idea where that will have us in terms of cap space? I’m too lazy to look it up. Over the Cap and Spotrac are showing different outcomes, it will probably take a couple days before we know for sure. But I am pretty sure that once Hines's release is official we will already be below the cap, and that's before the inevitable restructures of Allen's and Oliver's contracts. Even with Rapp and Edwards re-signing I suspect we will have enough to work with to make one above average signing and then a few signings to fill holes. Most importantly we will be in excellent cap shape heading into 2025. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Over the Cap and Spotrac are showing different outcomes, it will probably take a couple days before we know for sure. But I am pretty sure that once Hines's release is official we will already be below the cap, and that's before the inevitable restructures of Allen's and Oliver's contracts. Even with Rapp and Edwards re-signing I suspect we will have enough to work with to make one above average signing and then a few signings to fill holes. Most importantly we will be in excellent cap shape heading into 2025. You are are correct Happy next off season the 2025 version of the Bills will have around 50-60 million dollars in cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Quite the opposite. Putting younger less injury prone players on the field and freeing up cap space puts us MORE in contention this year. No doubt in my mind we will be a better team than last year. Absolutely. This is exactly what the Bills needed to do. We are taking a page right out of the Chiefs' playbook...moving on from expensive, older veterans, stockpiling draft picks, getting younger and cheaper, especially on defense, no sacred cows, other than the QB and a few key pieces. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I wish Beane would do something 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Any update on our current salary cap numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Any update on our current salary cap numbers We're better tonight than we were this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Any update on our current salary cap numbers looks like we are about $4 mill over not counting the Rapp, Mitch, and Haack signings. Josh will be restructured, maybe Ed too which should get us below the cap with some space. A cut or extension of Taron, or an extension of Dawkins may be on the table as the major moves left if we want to do more spending 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) Im ok with this. A restructure of Allen and Dawkins is about 29 mill freed up. 20 mill going into FA is perfect,more than enough to get business done. Tre whites cap frees up on 6/1 to nearly cover all our draft picks. I'm hoping for some sort of trade, as well as a couple trade ups in the draft. I'm not thrilled with this year's FA crop esp. at WR. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space Edited March 7 by SoonerBillsFan 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Get to 40 mil in space and take a big swing. Chris Jones Christian Wilkins (camp fights with Josh) DJ Reader Leonard Williams + Re-sign DQ. Derrick Henry if he doesn’t sign with Ravens CB Jaylon Johnson? only 24 We tried to acquire him at the trade deadline. That would be super intriguing. Benford or Rasul could move to Safety *Edit Franchise Tagged 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 7 Author Share Posted March 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, LEBills said: looks like we are about $4 mill over not counting the Rapp, Mitch, and Haack signings. Josh will be restructured, maybe Ed too which should get us below the cap with some space. A cut or extension of Taron, or an extension of Dawkins may be on the table as the major moves left if we want to do more spending Not exactly. Because we cut players like White, Morse, Neal, and Harty you have to add back the contract of a players that replaced them on the Rule 51 roster. The current deficit is just over $7 million without Rapp's and Trubisky's contracts, and without the full benefit of White 6/1 release. Edited March 7 by GASabresIUFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffaloboyinATL Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 hours ago, Old Coot said: Rasul listed as a "salary conversion." What does that mean? Convert salary to bonus to spread the cap hit maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 The Josh Allen restructure alone will get us under the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 After this happens, do we do what we can to try and resign DaQuan Jones? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 hours ago, Old Coot said: Rasul listed as a "salary conversion." What does that mean? It means they added 3 void years to his contract, then converted a bunch of his 2024 salary to signing bonus that can be prorated over those 4 years. Thus making our 2024 cap charge smaller by charging the rest of it to next year's cap when the void years kick in. It's not really an extension as Douglas still winds up with the same amount of money this year and his contract ends after this year. It's just a different way of saying restructure, I guess. Note: Nothing says in the future they can't still come to an agreement on an extension and simply change some or all of the void years to regular years. Either way it saves us cap space this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I just love the concept of void years. Haven't we all had a few years of our lives that we wished we could void? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Is this a hope? Or did I miss that we franchise tagged Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Get to 40 mil in space and take a big swing. Chris Jones Christian Wilkins (camp fights with Josh) DJ Reader Leonard Williams + Re-sign DQ. Derrick Henry if he doesn’t sign with Ravens CB Jaylon Johnson? only 24 We tried to acquire him at the trade deadline. That would be super intriguing. Benford or Rasul could move to Safety *Edit Franchise Tagged Why do you think we are where we are at today and cutting so many players at once? Yes, the Josh Allen restructure would totally put us back in the blue Restructures of Dawkins Johnson, and reworking Dalton contract will allow us to make some free agency moves. I do not expect them to be big ones. It doesn’t make any sense to spend big money in a poor free agency pool 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Get to 40 mil in space and take a big swing. Chris Jones Christian Wilkins (camp fights with Josh) DJ Reader Leonard Williams + Re-sign DQ. Derrick Henry if he doesn’t sign with Ravens CB Jaylon Johnson? only 24 We tried to acquire him at the trade deadline. That would be super intriguing. Benford or Rasul could move to Safety *Edit Franchise Tagged So may laugh at you, but any of those DTs would make a huge impact. If it could be done, I'm with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: So may laugh at you, but any of those DTs would make a huge impact. If it could be done, I'm with it. Wait till you see the contracts that these guys get Yes, we will have some money we will not have enough money to make those kinds of splashes. We’re trying to get our salary cap situation straightened out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Josh Allen’s junk would NEVER approve of a Wilkins signing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Wait till you see the contracts that these guys get Yes, we will have some money we will not have enough money to make those kinds of splashes. We’re trying to get our salary cap situation straightened out. Exactly. As if we did not learn our lesson from Von. If there has been one takeaway I've gotten from the offseason is that the Bills aren't in position for a teardown, but we can take our medicine. Yesterday...yesterday was rough. Poyer and Tre were big parts of the culture change at the start of McDermott's tenure and Morse was a big part of the push into Allen's growth into what he is now. I'm not saying the Bills are going to give up all hope of a championship, but now is the time to rebuild a young core and you don't do that chasing top tier free agents. I think the Bills can still scrounge up extensions, cuts and an Allen restructure to get over the cap and make a few day 2-3 pickups to round out weaknesses before the draft, but that's where we are going to build for long term success. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Exactly. As if we did not learn our lesson from Von. If there has been one takeaway I've gotten from the offseason is that the Bills aren't in position for a teardown, but we can take our medicine. Yesterday...yesterday was rough. Poyer and Tre were big parts of the culture change at the start of McDermott's tenure and Morse was a big part of the push into Allen's growth into what he is now. I'm not saying the Bills are going to give up all hope of a championship, but now is the time to rebuild a young core and you don't do that chasing top tier free agents. I think the Bills can still scrounge up extensions, cuts and an Allen restructure to get over the cap and make a few day 2-3 pickups to round out weaknesses before the draft, but that's where we are going to build for long term success. Trying to use free agency to build your team hardly ever works out. I think Brandon is doing it right Get some baseline guys in free agency to fill holes players that have been in the system as starters hit on your draft picks He keeps us cap compliant and allows us to have a little bit of money every year to continue to replenish baseline guys Edited March 7 by John from Riverside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Get to 40 mil in space and take a big swing. Chris Jones Christian Wilkins (camp fights with Josh) DJ Reader Leonard Williams + Re-sign DQ. Derrick Henry if he doesn’t sign with Ravens CB Jaylon Johnson? only 24 We tried to acquire him at the trade deadline. That would be super intriguing. Benford or Rasul could move to Safety *Edit Franchise Tagged I am not resigning DQ unless it's for cheap, Bills got themselves into trouble by extending or resigning older players for more then they were worth. He is 32 year old and maybe has 1-2 seasons left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: Josh Allen’s junk would NEVER approve of a Wilkins signing. Maybe JA enjoyed it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, John from Riverside said: Trying to use free agency to build your team hardly ever works out. I think Brandon is doing it right Get some baseline guys in free agency to fill holes players that have been in the system as starters on your draft picks He keeps us compliant and allows us to have a little bit of money every year to continue to replenish baseline guys To be fair, he's had some luck at getting above average play out of journeymen, but the team has been juggling that for a while trying to keep a Super Bowl window open. I'll never rule out the Bills having a shot so long as they have Josh Allen but this is the most picks we've had going into a draft in...a while. 11, at the moment I think. I expect Beane to trade up a bit, but that should give us more then we've been used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: To be fair, he's had some luck at getting above average play out of journeymen, but the team has been juggling that for a while trying to keep a Super Bowl window open. I'll never rule out the Bills having a shot so long as they have Josh Allen but this is the most picks we've had going into a draft in...a while. 11, at the moment I think. I expect Beane to trade up a bit, but that should give us more then we've been used to. They’re not gonna draft 11 players he’s going to use some of those pics to trade up into higher rounds Even with the players that we lost yesterday we wouldn’t be able to give a jersey to 11 new guys in the draft. There is too much talent on this team still 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Get to 40 mil in space and take a big swing. Chris Jones Christian Wilkins (camp fights with Josh) DJ Reader Leonard Williams + Re-sign DQ. Derrick Henry if he doesn’t sign with Ravens CB Jaylon Johnson? only 24 We tried to acquire him at the trade deadline. That would be super intriguing. Benford or Rasul could move to Safety *Edit Franchise Tagged I know it's totally unrealistic and probably a bad idea in the long run, but man I'd like to see them take a run at Chris Jones. He is the straw that stirs that drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: They’re not gonna draft 11 players he’s going to use some of those pics to trade up into higher rounds Even with the players that we lost yesterday we wouldn’t be able to give a jersey to 11 new guys in the draft. There is too much talent on this team still Completely agree. I should have phrased it better: with 11 picks, I fully expect to have at least 5 in the first four rounds or to dramatically move up from the back to the top of a few of them. Rookies will have a far better chance of cracking the roster than in previous years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 20 minutes ago, njbuff said: Josh Allen’s junk would NEVER approve of a Wilkins signing. I heard his pants split in Paris, when he saw that Miami had released Wilkins 😱 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) With adding Rapp, Trubisky etal. We are still 9 mill over the cap. I think , we can see more moves made, but I feel in the form of contract changes. But who knows, Beanes Katana now has the taste for blood... Edited March 7 by SoonerBillsFan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Are you losing patience again? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: With adding Rapp, Trubisky etal. We are still 9 mill over the cap. I think ,b we can see more moves made, but I feel in the form of contract changes. But who knows, Beanes Katana now has the taste for blood... Today Beane will cut Josh that should solve it and make you happy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: With adding Rapp, Trubisky etal. We are still 9 mill over the cap. I think ,b we can see more moves made, but I feel in the form of contract changes. But who knows, Beanes Katana now has the taste for blood... I think the cutting of players has ended for now we need to start looking at restructures Brandon should put his katana away 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: With adding Rapp, Trubisky etal. We are still 9 mill over the cap. I think ,b we can see more moves made, but I feel in the form of contract changes. But who knows, Beanes Katana now has the taste for blood... It was quite the ride yesterday, we will all be following today’s actions, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, DJB said: Today Beane will cut Josh that should solve it and make you happy Happy? While I appreciate the effort and time of the players that got cut yesterday, the moves were needed. IMHO the moves were done a year late. Too old, slowing down, injuries and big bloated contracts. It had to be done. And if you read my post, I think most moves to have cap room will be contract moves not cuts, but a cut or 2 won't surprise me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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