Chiefs-Bills trade that landed Kansas City Patrick Mahomes

[FireChans]

56 minutes ago, Peter said:

As I have said before, if we did not have the good fortune to draft Josh and Josh developing the way he did, McD would forever be know as the idiot that traded the opportunity to pick Mahomes who not only is a generational QB but also a thorn in our side every year.

 

Also, without Josh, McD would have been fired long ago as well as being remembered for making this trade.

 

McD and we should thank our lucky stars that we have Josh.

They targeted Josh and developed him.

[Success]

Just now, beebe said:

 

Buffalo's defensive ranks since 2018...

 

Points allowed: 

2018 - 18th

2019 - 2nd

2020 - 16th

2021: 1st

2022: 2nd

2023: 4th

 

Defensive DVOA: 

2018 - 2nd

2019 - 6th

2020 - 11th

2021 - 1st

2022 - 2nd

2023 - 12th

 

In points, McDermott's D has outperformed the offense four times, tied once, and was worse once (2020). 

 

In DVOA, McDermott's D has outperformed the offense three times, tied once, and was worse twice (2020, 2023). 

 

Overall, if you take the six seasons cumulatively over the entire league, no defense in the NFL has finished better than the Bills in defensive DVOA. Obviously, McDermott's playoff failures vs the Chiefs are well documented, but he would have for sure held his own with a league-average QB. 

 

 

Nah. 

 

Except for the Ravens playoff game, the D has underachieved in the playoffs.

 

You present a lot of stats out of context.

 

[beebe]

12 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Nah. 

 

Except for the Ravens playoff game, the D has underachieved in the playoffs.

 

You present a lot of stats out of context.

 

 

What stats are out of context? 

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I 100% believe Allen would be as successful as Mahomes if he was playing for KC.  If not more..

 

What now?

 

You can claim whatever you want to believe. That’s the beauty of what if scenarios. The difference is, my opinions on Mahomes are mirrored by practically every analyst and pundit.  
 

You probably also believe that Allen would have more SBs than Brady if he had played in NE, since he has the bigger arm and all. 

Edited February 24 by SaulGoodman

[Success]

25 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

You can claim whatever you want to believe. That’s the beauty of what if scenarios. The difference is, my opinions on Mahomes are mirrored by practically every analyst and pundit.  
 

You probably also believe that Allen would have more SBs than Brady if he had played in NE, since he has the bigger arm and all. 

 

Mirrored by every analyst & pundit?  In the age of hot-take sports media?  The fun thing on that is, we can all experience the joy of watching those narratives turn on a dime over the next decade+.

 

I'm not sure if Allen would have gotten 6 for the Pats, but who knows.  He might have gotten 7 or 8.

 

And thank you, btw. It's awesome that I can have my own opinion about Josh Allen & the Bills - on a Bills board.

 

 

 

Edited February 24 by Success

[beebe]

Because I was curious. Here's another McDermott stat to add additional context...

 

Since 2018, Buffalo's takeaways:

 

2023: 30 (3rd)

2022: 27 (5th)

2021: 30 (3rd)

2020: 26 (3rd)

2019: 23 (10th)

2018: 27 (8th)

 

In the six year span, the Bills are cumulatively the #1 defense in the league at takeaways. 

 

The offense, meanwhile, has been better than league average (barely) at giveaways only twice in six years, and has finished 21st, 25th, 30th and 31st. If you would like me to provide additional context, we can try to figure out how many times McDermott's defenses have had to start possessions in their own territory following Buffalo's 150 giveaways—an average of 25 per season—which is among the worst in the league in that span. 

Edited February 24 by beebe

[Success]

2 minutes ago, beebe said:

Because I was curious. Here's another McDermott stat to add additional context...

 

Since 2018, Buffalo's takeaways:

 

2023: 30 (3rd)

2022: 27 (5th)

2021: 30 (3rd)

2020: 26 (3rd)

2019: 23 (10th)

2018: 27 (8th)

 

In the six year span, the Bills are cumulatively the #1 defense in the league at takeaways. 

 

The offense, meanwhile, has been better than league average (barely) at giveaways only twice in six years, and has finished 21st, 25th, 30th and 31st. If you would like me to provide additional context, we can try to figure out how many times McDermott's defenses have had to start possessions in their own territory following Buffalo's 150 giveaways—an average of 25 per season—which is among the worst in the league in that span. 

 

So why does the world-class McDermott defense disappear in the playoffs, against more teams than the one led by the immortal Mahomes?

 

It's a head-scratcher.

 

[Peter]

44 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

Buffalo's defensive ranks since 2018...

 

Points allowed: 

2018 - 18th

2019 - 2nd

2020 - 16th

2021: 1st

2022: 2nd

2023: 4th

 

Defensive DVOA: 

2018 - 2nd

2019 - 6th

2020 - 11th

2021 - 1st

2022 - 2nd

2023 - 12th

 

In points, McDermott's D has outperformed the offense four times, tied once, and was worse once (2020). 

 

In DVOA, McDermott's D has outperformed the offense three times, tied once, and was worse twice (2020, 2023). 

 

Overall, if you take the six seasons cumulatively over the entire league, no defense in the NFL has finished better than the Bills in defensive DVOA. Obviously, McDermott's playoff failures vs the Chiefs are well documented, but he would have for sure held his own with a league-average QB. 

 

How many wins would we have had over the past few years without Josh????

43 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They targeted Josh and developed him.

We were very lucky that he was available and very lucky that he developed. 

 

I stand by what I said: if we did not have Josh, McD would be remembered as the guy who traded the opportunity to pick a generational QB (against the owner’s wishes) and would have been long gone by now.

[beebe]

57 minutes ago, Success said:

 

So why does the world-class McDermott defense disappear in the playoffs, against more teams than the one led by the immortal Mahomes?

 

It's a head-scratcher.

 

 

Have already gone through this in another thread. 

 

Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play. 

 

Buffalo has faced some very non-scary offenses in the playoffs, but on the whole, every offense they've faced has at least been average to above average. Their overall degree of difficulty in terms of playoff offenses faced has almost certainly been harder than what they typically face in a regular season.

 

#17 Texans offense (2019)

#10 Colts offense (2020) 

#11 Ravens offense (2020)

#2 Chiefs offense (2020)

#10 Patriots offense (2021)

#3 Chiefs offense (2021)

#6 Dolphins* offense (2022)

#4 Bengals offense (2022)

#15 Steelers offense (2023)

#8 Chiefs offense (2023)

 

*Miami started Skylar Thompson at QB and had just 3.3 yards per play, but Buffalo turned it over three times and allowed a defensive TD. It rates out as a good defensive performance, but came against what was likely a slightly below league avg offense given the QB switch rather than the 6th-rated offense. 

 

Overall, Buffalo's defense played well enough for them to beat the Ravens, Patriots, Dolphins and Steelers. They were above average vs the Texans and lost and they were below average vs the Colts and won. In the end, they won five playoff games against these six teams. 

 

Buffalo's real defensive struggles have come against probably the four best offenses they've faced: KC, KC, Cincinnati, KC. 

 

Similar to this year (lost Milano, Bernard for playoffs), the worst of Buffalo's injuries in past years have also been on defense. They played last year without Von Miller and Micah Hyde vs the Bengals. They were without Tre White the year before in the loss to the Chiefs. 

Edited February 24 by beebe

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Incorrect.

 

They got Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds for the only notable draft pick value that they acquired for the Patrick Mahomes pick trade.    

 

People have been mis-stating for years that the Bills were able to move up for Allen with draft pick capital acquired in the Mahomes pick trade...........surprised you are one of them.

      

 

No, you are right... 2nd first turned into Tremaine now I think more specfically. It was our 1st, our 2nd, the Watkins 2nd and Cordy Glenn to get up for Josh. Their 1st and our 3rd (or possibly the Tyrod 3rd, don't recall) for Tremaine. 

 

I suppose I tend to think everything they did in terms of collecting assets for that draft was about getting their Quarterback, slightly regardless of how the exact pic exchanges worked out but you are right in factual terms Josh wasn't from the Mahomes pick.

[SaulGoodman]

3 hours ago, Success said:

 

Mirrored by every analyst & pundit?  In the age of hot-take sports media?  The fun thing on that is, we can all experience the joy of watching those narratives turn on a dime over the next decade+.

 

I'm not sure if Allen would have gotten 6 for the Pats, but who knows.  He might have gotten 7 or 8.

 

And thank you, btw. It's awesome that I can have my own opinion about Josh Allen & the Bills - on a Bills board.

 

 

 

So….the player who’s been much more mistake-prone (137 INTs/fumbles vs 99 in fewer games) with a defense that has provided far more takeaways (163 to 138) would have accomplished more than Mahomes in KC? By upgrading his offensive talent for a few seasons while downgrading defensively every year but one?

 

Seems doubtful. Especially considering Allen was very inaccurate his first two years (at that point Mahomes had already notched a historic MVP season and a SB victory). 
 

KC had better offensive skill players during Mahomes’ first few years but hasn’t the last few. They’ve also had a weak running game most years, weak tackle play in half of Mahomes’ seasons, receivers that led the league in drops by a mile this year, the worst run blocking in the league for a few years, and weak defense every year but one. They’ve also been among the most penalized teams annually while their opponents are among the least.
 

Somehow this adds up to a situation so much better than Allen’s that he’d have 6x as many AFC title game appearances as he has now, 3 or more SB rings and at least two MVPs?
 

Also, is the difference in coaching as drastic as you make it out to be if one of Reid’s most lauded plays was stolen from the “uncreative” Bills?

And was it the defense’s fault that Allen led his offense to 10 points vs Cincinnati last year? A hobbled Mahomes scored more than twice as many points vs the same team the next week, while throwing to a depleted WR corps consisting of MVS, Skyy Moore and Marcus Kemp from the practice squad. 
 

I don’t think the facts support your assertion. 

Edited February 24 by SaulGoodman

[pennstate10]

9 hours ago, julian said:

Yeah… what a complete donkey show at OBD, people need to be fired. WHY ????? WHY ????? , it should be us, not them. This sucks

OK, let’s think this through. 
Bradshaw, Brady, Mahomes, and Montana. 
 

These are the best QBs of the superbowl era. 
 

Anyone disagree?

 

Whats the common theme in their draft positions?
 

Nothing !! Not a f,,,ing thing!

 

Drafting QBs is a crapshoot. For every example like this, there is an example of trading three 1s and a 2 for Robert Griffin. Or Sam Darnold. 
 

KC gambled and won.  Good for them.  Put it to rest. 

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, Success said:

 

So why does the world-class McDermott defense disappear in the playoffs, against more teams than the one led by the immortal Mahomes?

 

It's a head-scratcher.

 

Not to me... one word...injuries! The Bills played the Chiefs with a guy two weeks off the street at 3rd string linebacker who was also injured in that KC playoff game and had to leave for a while. He went back in because there was nobody behind him. Half the Buffalo defense was on crutches for that game.

 

What other team could lose their two best players on defense and still finish the 4th in points allowed and 9th in yards for the season? Von Miller wasn't the same guy on the mend from his season-ender in 2022. 

 

Injuries on the defense the last two seasons.

 

The Bills lost that KC playoff game by a missed FG.

 

The only other NFL team with more wins over the last five seasons is the Chiefs.

 

 

On another note, If Andy Reid retires and or Travis Kelce retires or has a severe injury we will see how great Mahomes is...Andy Reid is the best HC in the NFL and Kelce is the best TE.

[Shortchaz]

4 hours ago, beebe said:

 

Have already gone through this in another thread. 

 

Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play. 

 

Buffalo has faced some very non-scary offenses in the playoffs, but on the whole, every offense they've faced has at least been average to above average. Their overall degree of difficulty in terms of playoff offenses faced has almost certainly been harder than what they typically face in a regular season.

 

#17 Texans offense (2019)

#10 Colts offense (2020) 

#11 Ravens offense (2020)

#2 Chiefs offense (2020)

#10 Patriots offense (2021)

#3 Chiefs offense (2021)

#6 Dolphins* offense (2022)

#4 Bengals offense (2022)

#15 Steelers offense (2023)

#8 Chiefs offense (2023)

 

*Miami started Skylar Thompson at QB and had just 3.3 yards per play, but Buffalo turned it over three times and allowed a defensive TD. It rates out as a good defensive performance, but came against what was likely a slightly below league avg offense given the QB switch rather than the 6th-rated offense. 

 

Overall, Buffalo's defense played well enough for them to beat the Ravens, Patriots, Dolphins and Steelers. They were above average vs the Texans and lost and they were below average vs the Colts and won. In the end, they won five playoff games against these six teams. 

 

Buffalo's real defensive struggles have come against probably the four best offenses they've faced: KC, KC, Cincinnati, KC. 

 

Similar to this year (lost Milano, Bernard for playoffs), the worst of Buffalo's injuries in past years have also been on defense. They played last year without Von Miller and Micah Hyde vs the Bengals. They were without Tre White the year before in the loss to the Chiefs. 

You are correct, the bills’ defense does fall apart in the playoffs. 

[Zerovoltz]

It's amazing that this topic comes up over and over again.

 

The Bills did not trade Mahomes to the Chiefs.  The Bills traded the 10th overall pick in the 2017 Draft to KC.  KC had been talking to the McDermott pretty much since the day he got hired, about moving up IF the board fell in ways that both teams were compelled to move up for KC, and down for Buffalo.  KC was trying to move up to pick 5 once the festivities started.  

 

When pick 10 arrived, KC wanted to come up because Mahomes was still on the board.  

 

I can't stress enough, the McDermott had only been at the job 1 month.  He is a D minded coach and did not consider himself qualified to be making a choice about a QB.  Watson and Mahomes both were on the board when pick 10 came up.  He decided it would be best to gather AMMO for next year, when they'd have a GM in place and they could evaluate and be on the same page about a QB in what was billed as a GREAT QB draft year in 2018.  (2017 was not considered a good QB year)  

 

McDermott having traded away pick 10, (NOT MAHOMES) did about as well in 2018 as you possibly could!  Josh Allen.  

 

For all McD knew, KC had moved up for Watson.  He didn't know who they'd take at 10 out of Watson or Mahomes.

 

It's quite likely the biggest Win/Win trades in NFL history how it's turned out and yet so many here think it's the Bills/McD fault KC got Mahomes.  

 

Is it the 49ers fault the Bears Got Trubisky?  Afterall, the Bears traded up to two and made that choice.  No one in Chicago blames San Francisco for "giving" Trubisky to the Bears.

[Gigs]

Chiefs got the best thrower since Brady. Multiple SBs

 

Bills got the best Athlete since Jim Thorpe. Will win at least 1 SB, worst case scenario. He's way too good in the playoffs to not finally get one, let's be real. I've seen so many QBs who "coulda/shoulda" but they couldn't hold Allen's jock. 

 

Win-Win. They get Jimmy Page, we got Eddie Van Halen. Mahomes will be remembered, but Allen will be revered. 

Edited February 24 by Gigs

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Hey, at least Josh Allen was a better consolation prize than Jack eichel was for the sabres 😂

[finn]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for anything.  Keep Mahomes' wife and brother the hell away from this team.  

 

People used to ask if I would trade for Brady or the Hoodie for one ring, and I said no.  Same answer with Mahomes.

 

Also, absolutely no one could have predicted Mahomes was going to have the career he's had.  He fell to 10 for a reason.  Yes, some people thought he had potential, but at the time, no one was harping on the Bills for that trade

Yes, at the time it was a good trade. But in retrospect, the Bills clearly got the better deal. Allen AND White for Mahomes?

 

The impact of the trade is distorted because Mahomes landed on a team that had everything but a quarterback, Allen on a team that had squat (anyone besides Milano?) and was starting from scratch with a new regime. 

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, Virgil said:

I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for anything.  Keep Mahomes' wife and brother the hell away from this team.  

 

People used to ask if I would trade for Brady or the Hoodie for one ring, and I said no.  Same answer with Mahomes.

 

Also, absolutely no one could have predicted Mahomes was going to have the career he's had.  He fell to 10 for a reason.  Yes, some people thought he had potential, but at the time, no one was harping on the Bills for that trade

Not quite true LOL. 

[H2o]

[BobbyC81]

14 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

What about the teams that drafted 1-9? 

 

BTW, nice memory wrt @jeffismagic I seem to recall a few other people lobbying for Mahomes and the debate swirling around the Air Raid offense and whether it would translate to the NFL. We'll always be linked to Mahomes due to the trade out of 10 - but that's hindsight. If his greatness was so obvious he never would have made it to 10 - let alone past Mitch Trubisky. 

Most of the comments in this thread are hindsight BS.  In the 2018 draft, many here, including me, thought they picked the wrong Josh QB.  Look how that turned out.

 

The draft is also hit and miss.  For every Josh Rosen, there’s a Matt Milano.

[Chicken Boo]

15 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

If JA17 never wins a superbowl in Buffalo this will go down as the worst trade in NFL (and quite frankly pro sports) history. Sean McDivisional will also be the most hated figure in Buffalo sports history as well.

 

McDivisional still has me chuckling.  That's quality.  

14 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The Bills win that trade if Tre hadn't had all the injuries.  Everyone forgets, that Mahomes has never beaten us, KC has.  

 

Unless you're suggesting the Bills would have won 3 Super Bowls with a pre-injury Tre White, this take is invalid.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I honestly think if Mahomes wasn't in the league, Allen and the Bills would have at least two super bowl appearances and Allen would be talked about as the baby GOAT to Brady. That is how good Allen is and how much of a PITA the Chiefs and Mahomes have been to the Bills. The difference between Allen and Mahomes in ability is miniscule compared to the differences between all the other parts of the two teams.

 

No Mahomes in the league and the Bills make the Super Bowl in 2020 and 2023 seasons. They probably make the conference title games in '21 and '22. They lose to the Bengals in one of those seasons. 

[Success]

10 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

So….the player who’s been much more mistake-prone (137 INTs/fumbles vs 99 in fewer games) with a defense that has provided far more takeaways (163 to 138) would have accomplished more than Mahomes in KC? By upgrading his offensive talent for a few seasons while downgrading defensively every year but one?

 

Seems doubtful. Especially considering Allen was very inaccurate his first two years (at that point Mahomes had already notched a historic MVP season and a SB victory). 
 

KC had better offensive skill players during Mahomes’ first few years but hasn’t the last few. They’ve also had a weak running game most years, weak tackle play in half of Mahomes’ seasons, receivers that led the league in drops by a mile this year, the worst run blocking in the league for a few years, and weak defense every year but one. They’ve also been among the most penalized teams annually while their opponents are among the least.
 

Somehow this adds up to a situation so much better than Allen’s that he’d have 6x as many AFC title game appearances as he has now, 3 or more SB rings and at least two MVPs?
 

Also, is the difference in coaching as drastic as you make it out to be if one of Reid’s most lauded plays was stolen from the “uncreative” Bills?

And was it the defense’s fault that Allen led his offense to 10 points vs Cincinnati last year? A hobbled Mahomes scored more than twice as many points vs the same team the next week, while throwing to a depleted WR corps consisting of MVS, Skyy Moore and Marcus Kemp from the practice squad. 
 

I don’t think the facts support your assertion. 

 

This is like a cherrypicking festival.

 

Allen throws more picks than Mahomes, for sure.  But he also had 44 TD's to Mahomes' 27 TD's this past year.  That's more the kind of QB Allen is - he takes more risks, but makes more big plays.  And how is his playoff ratio of TD's to INT's?

 

And Allen was admittedly bad in last year's Cincy game.  But why do you choose that game, but fail to mention Mahomes' meltdown in the 2nd half against Cincy in the game right after 13 seconds?

 

Beyond that, you keep bringing up how KC stole a SINGLE PLAY from the Bills.  No one ever said the Bills staff has zero creativity.  Singling out 1 play for any kind of coaching comparison is the height of cherrypicking, and completely unscientific.

 

My assertion is based on a much more broad overview of MANY stats and factors that make up a more true comparison between both QB's, both coaching staffs and both teams as a whole.  It's a much more holistic view.  Ergo, the facts actually DO support my assertion.

 

Edited February 24 by Success

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I honestly think if Mahomes wasn't in the league, Allen and the Bills would have at least two super bowl appearances and Allen would be talked about as the baby GOAT to Brady. That is how good Allen is and how much of a PITA the Chiefs and Mahomes have been to the Bills. The difference between Allen and Mahomes in ability is miniscule compared to the differences between all the other parts of the two teams.

 

No Mahomes in the league and the Bills make the Super Bowl in 2020 and 2023 seasons. They probably make the conference title games in '21 and '22. They lose to the Bengals in one of those seasons. 

In the multiverse somewhere Allen is debated as challenging Brady for goat status while Mahomes is racking up CY Young awards in MLB. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

McDivisional still has me chuckling.  That's quality.  

 

Unless you're suggesting the Bills would have won 3 Super Bowls with a pre-injury Tre White, this take is invalid.

Pure BS.  This trade has nothing to do with coaching. It's 2 all pros received vs. 1 in Mahomes. That's a win for this trade.

 

We can't help that KC loaded up a better roster to support Mahomes vs. What has been given to Allen.  

 

Bottom line, Mahomes on this team with the coaching staff that has been here still =0 superbowls.  Allen on KC still = Superbowl wins.  

 

Why is this still so hard to understand?

 

 

 

 

Edited February 24 by SoonerBillsFan

[Chicken Boo]

35 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Pure BS.  This trade has nothing to do with coaching. It's 2 all pros received vs. 1 in Mahomes. That's a win for this trade.

 

We can't help that KC loaded up a better roster to support Mahomes vs. What has been given to Allen.  

 

Bottom line, Mahomes on this team with the coaching staff that has been here still =0 superbowls.  Allen on KC still = Superbowl wins.  

 

Why is this still so hard to understand?

 

 

 

 

 

What would you rather have, those 2 all-pros or Mahomes?

 

Be serious.

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

What would you rather have, those 2 all-pros or Mahomes?

 

Be serious.

What changes with Mahomes on the Bills and Allen on the Chiefs?  They were looking for a qb.  Assume if Buffalo picks Mahomes Kc a year later trade up for Allen.  I dont believe Bills mafia would be thrilled in that universe either. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

What would you rather have, those 2 all-pros or Mahomes?

 

Be serious.

The 2 all pros.  Esp. Since one is Allen. Allen is a guy I'll take over Mahomes 100% of the time.

[The 9 Isles]

ugh

[JerseyBills]

Whaley had a great draft as a parting gift, allowed us the ammo to get Josh and added quality

 

Trade is pretty even,  we're a play or 2 from having 2 SBs, potentially,  21 and 23 

[Jimmy Harris 69]

This is not the right question. Which franchise has had a better head coach, offensive game plan and a big game defensive coordinator during the last seven years ? Kansas City—we all know. The plan and the pieces Andy Reid put around Mahomes has made ALL the difference offensively. Spagnuolo has stopped the patriot machine, the niners, the bills. We don’t have a defense that can beat The chiefs in the playoffs. The winner of the trade is Pat Mahomes.  His career would be distinctly different anywhere else, even in BFO. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

🤦🏼‍♂️ this place. Seriously one could speculate the turnout 10000 different ways. Buffalo gets PM and flounders, KC then gets Allen wins the next 50 years worth of Super Bowls…Buffalo should’ve traded KC the pick and waited for Allen..🤦🏼‍♂️ just for starters..

[Chicken Boo]

23 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

What changes with Mahomes on the Bills and Allen on the Chiefs?  They were looking for a qb.  Assume if Buffalo picks Mahomes Kc a year later trade up for Allen.  I dont believe Bills mafia would be thrilled in that universe either. 

 

First off, Allen wasn't in the original post of compensation for the trade.  

 

And I'm not a fan of dealing in these type of hypotheticals.  Allen isn't on the Chiefs, like Marino wasn't on the Bills and Rodgers wasn't a Patriot.

 

I'm not arguing the Bills should have taken Mahomes.  I'm arguing they lost the trade and they did.  

25 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The 2 all pros.  Esp. Since one is Allen. Allen is a guy I'll take over Mahomes 100% of the time.

 

I don't recall Allen being in the original post.  Somehow I was thinking of Dawkins.

[mannc]

19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Kansas City won the trade. Without question. They drafted the best QB in football. 

 

But the Bills did about as good a job losing a trade as you could ever do. An all pro corner and then a pick that helped them land the 2nd best QB in football the following year.

You have to do a lot of mental gyrations to explain why the Bills screwed up here. On the other hand, the Bears passed on Mahomes for Mitch Trubisky and the Niners passed on him for a JAG defensive tackle.  Those teams should really be ashamed…

[Augie]

20 hours ago, Virgil said:

I wouldn't trade Josh Allen for anything.  Keep Mahomes' wife and brother the hell away from this team.  

 

People used to ask if I would trade for Brady or the Hoodie for one ring, and I said no.  Same answer with Mahomes.

 

Also, absolutely no one could have predicted Mahomes was going to have the career he's had.  He fell to 10 for a reason.  Yes, some people thought he had potential, but at the time, no one was harping on the Bills for that trade

 

Can we do 13 seconds again next??? 

 

 

😋

[McBean]

21 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Allen, Mahomes, Reid, McDermott 

 

One of those four is not like the other three

 

End of thread

Needs to go into the hall of fame posts here.

 

spot on.

[st pete gogolak]

Forget for a second who KC selected with the pick.  I’m not a draft guru but it seems like we didn’t get a whole lot for dropping from #10 to #27.  What would it cost us to move to #10 this draft?  It cost us next year’s #1 to move from #8 to #4 to draft Sammy Watkins.  Note: bad teams should NEVER trade next year’s #1, right Carolina?

[Utah John]

Both teams won.  The Chiefs and Bills both got better, and if the Chiefs didn't have Andy Reid the Bills would have been to the SB at least once so far.  

[Brand J]

KC’s defense has supported Mahomes in the playoffs much more than Josh’s has, BUT the fact that we’re coming up short against Mahomes time after time has to factor into that equation. Or in other words, the Chiefs defense has forced Allen and the Bills to punt more than the other way around, regardless of defensive rankings.

 

The hypothetical of switching QBs and how their careers would be different, I’d love if there was a real answer for it. All we can do is speculate this and that, but I personally believe the takes that Buffalo would have zero championships while KC wouldn’t miss a beat with Allen are ridiculous. I don’t believe there’s a chasm of talent between the two QBs at all, but there’s still a gap, and however small it is, it has led to one QB winning league and Super Bowl MVPs while the other is simply planning his next tee time.